Tableeghi Jamaats to be banned from Cantts, Defence areas

[Tiger Awan]

Bro.! ....To tell u the truth ...in Abbottabad district there were some one in Tableeghi Jamaat had connection with CIA cum Alqaida groups....got killed in a raid with our intelligence forces soon after the OBL raid by US...so from now onward the Jammat is under strict watch.....cuz some CIA, Mosaad and MI6 agents are working under the cover of Tableeghi Jamaat as well....
Is nobody in our country against Tableegh but we cant allow any foreign or local agents working for foreign agencies to work here under the cover of Islam and destroy us...
better keep our ears and eyes open all the time....

then ban them through out the country why only in cantt areas??

 

[somebozo]

Then what about those great warriors of Islam who won so many battles while they were outnumbered, away from home, without proper military background etc etc etc

Please dont taint the heros of islam by comparing them with janglees of tableegi jamat. Technically speaking, the tableegi jamat agenda would conflict with millitary policies of Islamic state.

Making ill informed comments without looking into History serves no purpose.

The Hasmite clan of Quraysh tribe has a history of producing able generals and fierce warriors.

Prophet Muhammed, Umar Ibn Khattab, Ali Ibi Talib, Khalid Ibn Walid, Husayn Ibn Ali, Abu Sufiyan Ibn Harb and many others came from quraysh tribe.

Islamic warriors and generals can be reprsented in four rough ethinic division.

The first group of Arab generals came from Quraysh tribe of Makkah which was known for sheer millitary prowess. The Bani Tamim of central arabia, the staunch opponents of Hashmities are dubbed "one man army". It was Islam which united the two and give the Muslims its first powerful and unitied Army under command of Umar Ibn Khattab which launched multi-pronged attacks against Zorostatian Persia.

The second group of Islamic generals and warriors came from Damascus and Bhagdad, both of which were tradionat strongholds of east-roman empire as well the largest pool of able soldiers.

The third group of muslim warrior and generals are made up of Berber, Egyptian & Kurdish communities all of which are historically proven for martial skills.

The fourth and modern group of Muslim general came from Central Asia (Turks, Pashtuns and Mongolid etc), Persian & Indian Rajput (MA Jinnah, Rashid Minhas, etc). All of them have fine history of millitary prowess.

Among the fourth group were also the so called Mamluks (eg: Qutubudin Aybak) whose make up was mixture of turk, mongoliod, indian, persian and egyptian slave soldiers however their fighting prowess was piviotal in sustience of Islamic kingdoms.

Marine Corps history states that a sword of this type was presented to Marine First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon by the Ottoman Empire viceroy, Prince Hamet, on December 8, 1805, during the First Barbary War, as a gesture of respect and praise for the Marines' actions at the Battle of Derne.[3] Upon his return to the United States, the state of Virginia presented him with a silver-hilted sword featuring an eaglehead hilt and a curved blade modeled after the original Mameluke sword given him by Hamet. Its blade is inscribed with his name and a commemoration of the Battle of Tripoli Harbor.[4]

Perhaps due to the Marines' distinguished record during this campaign, including the capture of the Tripolitan city of Derna after a long and dangerous desert march, Marine Corps Commandant Archibald Henderson adopted the Mameluke sword in 1825 for wear by Marine officers. After initial distribution in 1826, Mameluke swords have been worn except for the years 1859-75 (when Marine officers were required to wear the U.S. Model 1850 Army foot officers' sword), and a brief period when swords were suspended during World War II. Since that time, Mameluke swords have been worn by Marine officers in a continuing tradition to the present day.

Alternatively, it can be argued that Islam is a martial religion because tradionally it has been adopted and propganted by tribes, clans and communities with strong millitary traditions.

 

[architect_cobb]

Please dont taint the heros of islam by comparing them with janglees of tableegi jamat. Technically speaking, the tableegi jamat agenda would conflict with millitary policies of Islamic state.

Making ill informed comments without looking into History serves no purpose.

The Hasmite clan of Quraysh tribe has a history of producing able generals and fierce warriors.

Prophet Muhammed, Umar Ibn Khattab, Ali Ibi Talib, Khalid Ibn Walid, Husayn Ibn Ali, Abu Sufiyan Ibn Harb and many others came from this tribe.

Islamic warriors and generals can be reprsented in four rough ethinic division.

The first group of Arab generals came from Quraysh tribe of Makkah which was known for sheer millitary prowess. The Bani Tamim of central arabia, the staunch opponents of Hashmities are dubbed "one man army". It was Islam which united the two and give the Muslims its first powerful and unitied Army under command of Umar Ibn Khattab which launched multi-pronged attacks against Zorostatian Persia.

The second group of Islamic generals and warriors came from Damascus and Bhagdad, both of which were tradionat strongholds of east-roman empire as well the largest pool of able soldiers.

The third group of muslim warrior and generals are made up of Berber, Egyptian & Kurdish communities all of which are historically proven for martial skills.

The fourth and modern group of Muslim general came from Central Asia (Turks, Pashtuns and Mongolid etc), Persian & Indian Rajput (MA Jinnah, Rashid Minhas, etc). All of them have fine history of millitary prowess.

Among the fourth group were also the so called Mamluks (eg: Qutubudin Aybak) whose make up was mixture of turk, mongoliod, indian, persian and egyptian slave soldiers however their fighting prowess was piviotal in sustience of Islamic kingdoms.





Alternatively, it can be argued that Islam is a martial religion because tradionally it has been adopted and propganted by tribes, clans and communities with strong millitary traditions.

correction Umar bin Khattab was not Hashemite and neither was Abu Sufyan bin harb nor khalib bin walid!!!!

 

[Zarvan]

If you think banning peaceful jamats are going to help you than you are living in a fools paradise it will increase hatred towards army and armed forces and this will be bad for Army really very bad

 

[secularbuster]

I think people focus on sect, not on Islam. TJ is simply preaching Islam. No terrorist activity is being done by TJ.

People who say that Muslims should start a jihaad against the unbelievers with sticks in their hands and Allah will transform those sticks into mighty weapons do not preach Islam, they simply want the Muslims to be slaughtered. People who discourage Muslims to acquire scientific knowledge do not preach Islam they simlpy want the Muslims to remain technologically ignorant so that the west can keep on oppressing them.

 

[Comet]

Wow, Its just so sad to see people who are so misinformed and further from the reality. The west generalizes the Muslims and says that all of Us are terrorists, without having any real insight. What makes you think you guys are doing anything different when you are judging the TJ? The reason Pakistan is in the quagmire that it faces today is because of ignorant douches like you. Do a little research before blabbering crap on a public online forum. TJ is the most mellow and chilled out religious organization that there is. In fact, they are severely criticized for their laid back approach by other religious segments. All they propagate is to do the basic Five commandments of Islam which are Shahdat, Pray,Fast,Give Zakat and the Hajj, and you are good to go. They are criticized for making the religion so simple and not stressing on the other aspects of it. If there is any such thing as Moderate Enlightened Islam, it is of the Tableeghi's.

I am not a Tableeghi myself but just sane and educated enough to not criticize anyone without having any knowledge about them. It is people like you -- the ideologues who have ruined this country. At the one end of the paradigm is you guys who vehemently oppose anything which has anything to do with religion, and on the other end are the people who are ardently against anything which does not fall in the realm of the religion. Both of you extremists should be stood in a line and shot in the head. Its the extremists, whether leftists or rightists which are the Achilles heel of PAKISTAN.

I think this post covers up my sentiments to this issue.

 

[Shahzad834]

taleeqi jamat are doing good jobs they only say correct yourself your blevie, they havn't say to kill innocent... if these are banned then we will face more problem because muslim recognise due to his prayers and if our armed forced not do this then how ALLAH almighty help us.... thin on it.....

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Military facilities and areas should never have even mini seminaries. A simple Mosque to offer namaz is good.

i dont know why tableeghis need to be near anywhere near these places. Not that i have a single them against them, but still.....

 

[T-Faz]

The reason for this is related to what happened at PNS Mehran, there is a rumor going round that the internal support that was given to the terrorists came through serving members of the Navy who were affiliated with Tableeghi Jamaat.

Their links to terrorists has been established on a number of instances and this time around the security forces do not want any further trouble, hence the ban.

 

[Safriz]

The reason for this is related to what happened at PNS Mehran, there is a rumor going round that the internal support that was given to the terrorists came through serving members of the Navy who were affiliated with Tableeghi Jamaat.

Their links to terrorists has been established on a number of instances and this time around the security forces do not want any further trouble, hence the ban.

These days catching and blaming just about anybody who has beard and wears Topi and blaming them for connection with OBL,AL Qaeds and whatever need no proof..Everybody is gona believe you anyway,why bother collecting evidence...But making such escape goats leaves the real perpetrators ou there and available for more damage.

 

[secularbuster]

When something like this happens in india, the government over there has no hesitation in producing the evidence to the court and also to the public. On the other hand, in Pakistan the government talks about evidence but never produces any to the court and most importantly to the public for reasons we can only speculate. This damages the credibility of the Pak government and allows romours to flourish and the adversaries of Pakistan take advantage of that confusion. This only indicates that the Pak government is so sold out that it cannot even show to the world the evidence of terrorism against it or it is so stupid that it does not realise the harm it does to Pakistan's security by suppressing such evidence.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

religion should be left out of sports affairs....religion should be left out of military affairs....not suppressed...practices shouldnt be disallowed.....but open show of it and open partcipation in groups that deflect 100% attention --that shouldnt be allowed

i mean common.....look at Pakistan cricket team when they went through their tableeghy stage.......they become a laughing stock! We lost against Ireland!!!!!

if i didnt know better, i'd say tableeghy jamaat are bad luck


but setting humour aside, it doesnt matter who the culprits are. We want those bastards who did this to be punished. We want to avenge the lives of the shaheeds and we want to make it clear that if you f*ck with Pakistan and its security you will be destroyed. No exceptions. This is the mentality we should have.

 

[Leader]

religion should be left out of sports affairs....religion should be left out of military affairs....not suppressed...practices shouldnt be disallowed.....but open show of it and open partcipation in groups that deflect 100% attention --that shouldnt be allowed

i mean common.....look at Pakistan cricket team when they went through their tableeghy stage.......they become a laughing stock! We lost against Ireland!!!!!

if i didnt know better, i'd say tableeghy jamaat are bad luck


but setting humour aside, it doesnt matter who the culprits are. We want those bastards who did this to be punished. We want to avenge the lives of the shaheeds and we want to make it clear that if you f*ck with Pakistan and its security you will be destroyed. No exceptions. This is the mentality we should have.

Im sure you dont mean Amreeka too !!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I'm not in charge of Pakistan.

If i was, many things -- events -- way things are done --would be different. But I'm not in charge of the country.

 

[somebozo]

IGNORING THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM TO BE GIVEN TO THE KUFAAR: They address their message solely to Muslims, the vast majority of whom are as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable than they themselves are, ignoring the Kaafir populations among whom they move, who actually are the people to whom the message should be directed. Allah's words are frequently, and sometimes specifically, directed towards the Kufaar and the efforts of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and the Companions (radiya'allahu 'anhum ajma'een) were devoted to conveying Islam to them (kuffar). Even when they visit the African townships, their only aim is to "convert" the poorer African Muslims (who have already reverted to Islam) to their brand of Islam. In fact, they do not even pass the message of Islam to the non-Muslims in the townships.

LARGE NUMBERS THAT ATTEND THE IJTIMA: If the leaders of the Tableeghi Jamaat are sincere, let them hold their next annual gathering on the East bank of Jordan and let them cross the river and march to Al-Quds and liberate it from Jewish/Zionist occupation. Let them hold their Ijtima near the Babri Masjid in India and counter-attack the might of Hindu extremist and capture the mosque. Lem them hold their Ijtima near the Shia' centre in Ottawa and take over the centre in defence of true Sunni beliefs. They would not! The Jamaat is only interested in increasing its number and wasting the energy of thousand and thousand of Muslims.

When the Tableeghi Jamaat is asked about their complete indifference to the dominance of the Kufaar, they say "We are not yet strong enough to do anything yet." Yet, they boast of the large numbers that attend their Ijtima's. The Quran says that if you are a hundred, steadfast, you will overcome two hundred and if there are a thousand of you, you will overcome two thousand by Allah's permission (Surah al-Anfal: 65-6). The Tableeghi Jamaat's lack of strength cannot be considered as a valid excuse.

And speaking about the mass Nikahs that take place at the Ijtimas, which is by the way, a meeting place of the rich upper class, the grooms are immediately shoved off to sleep in some mosque for 40 days. And after 40 days, these "spiritually enlightened" individuals qualify as Molvis!

TABLEEGHI JAMAATS ROLE IN KUFAAR COUNTRIES: The thousands of members of the Tableeghi Jamaat are utilising all their energy exclusively inwards towards other Muslims and leaves the Kaafir powers to pursue their Godless exploitation of the Muslims completely unimpeded. They have defined Jihad to be "spreading the Kalima of Allah and enforcing of Allah's Commandments." (Teachings of Islam). In the very same book, under the heading of "General Principles", the following point is made - "No controversial matter or points of secondary importance to be discussed at any time .... and confine all talk to the main points of Tabligh." Thus, a programme originally designed to ensure that the adherents of Tableeghi Jamaat did not come into conflict with the British authorities in India has now been extended to include all aspects of Kufaar domination in the world. The members of the Jamaat are actually forbidden to question it at all. No wonder the enemies of Islam are delighted.

This is the reason why the Tableeghi Jamaat moves freely in Kufaar countries in Europe and the rest of the world, while other Muslims are being imprisoned, tortured, and killed on a daily basis. In Israel, under Zionist control, the Jamaat is allowed free access to any part to do "Allah's Work" while Palestinian men, women and children, who are opposing Zionist rule, are tortured and killed.

It is also not surprising that under the Apartheid government in South Africa and under the cruel "State of Emergency" in which gatherings were restricted and carefully monitored under the vigilant eye of the then police force, the Ijtima's used to draw crowds of thousands of devotees - and there was not a single policeman in sight. It is obvious. With the type of Islam that they portrayed of being completely subservient to Kufaar politics and their rejection of Jihad in all its practical aspects, this Jamaat was not even considered as a threat. Not a word was uttered by the Jamaat's leaders condemning the then Apartheid regime. This is their policy throughout the world - do not condemn the Kufaar and the Kufaar governments!