T-LORAMIDS Tender | Updates & Discussion

[AUSTERLITZ]

As far as i know these systems will not be able to datalink with NATO air defence system,reducing its efficiency.

 

[Black Eagle 90]

China has given cheapest offer with HQ-9, second Aster 30 (France-Italy), third S-300 (Russians offered an old solution), last one useless and most expensive Patriots.

Türkiye Kimyasal Tehdide Kar

Last decision will be declared in this year.

Pakistan also needs 11 of these:
8 for PA
3 for PN

 

[Uhuhu]

I dont think so HQ-9 is better than S-300. if it was, after s-300 Canceled contracts between Iran and Russia, Iran would go to buy HQ-9 from china. but Iran decided to upgrade her S-200s to use as it's long range Air defense system and using it's budget to build a domestic long range air defence system to name Bavar-373 instead of S-300.

 

[Neptune]

As far as i know these systems will not be able to datalink with NATO air defence system,reducing its efficiency.

last year, US gave the software codes of F-16 to Turkey. Then TAI designed&built a national software to be used at all assets of the air force, called ÖZGÜR Programme, Turkish defence companies TAI and Havelsan will datalink HQ-9 to our systems through ÖZGÜR, As it was already a Turkish&NATO product. That's what TAI's gonna do after the final decision.

 

[Foo_Fighter]

Though nothing is finalized yet, this news is just for competition to review their prices more or less. However, Turkey won't be too wrong in going with China as final contractor as China has established itself in the defense industry on the following:

1. Most technology transferred
2. Price
3. Quality (vis a vis price)
4. Timely delivery
5. No spare parts issue

Good luck to both Turkey and China with their respective goals.

 

[Worf]

I would rather see a co-developed advanced version of PAC-3. From the know how we would gain, we can develop our long range missile more efficiently

 

[AKINCI]

Worthless news with misleading title...

I couldn't hear...

Uzun menzilli füze ihalesini Çin kazand

 

[tesla]

İ COLDNT HEAR NATO

NATO warns Turkey against buying chinese Russian air defense systems
ANKARA- Hürriyet Daily News | 7/25/2011 12:00:00 AM | ÜMİT ENGİNSOY

NATO may avoid sharing ballistic missiles intelligence with Turkey if the nation decides to buy Chinese or Russian systems for its missile defense program

Ankara would have to operate without NATO’s intelligence information on incoming ballistic missiles if it chooses to buy Chinese or Russian systems for its national air and missile defense program, officials of the Western alliance have warned Turkey.
Participating in the ongoing competition to win Turkey’s national air and missile contract are the U.S. partnership between Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, with their Patriot air defense systems; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S300; China’s CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp.), offering its HQ-9; and the Italian-French Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30. Turkey is planning to make its selection late this year or early next year.
Many Western officials and experts say that since the Russian and the Chinese systems are not compatible with NATO systems, their potential eventual victory might provide them with access to classified NATO information, and as a result may compromise NATO’s procedures.
But despite this criticism, Turkey so far has ruled against expelling the Chinese and Russian options, saying there is no need to exclude them from the Turkish competition.
One Western expert countered that “if, say, the Chinese win the competition, their systems will be in interaction, directly or indirectly, with NATO’s intelligence systems, and this may lead to the leak of critical NATO information to the Chinese, albeit inadvertently. So this is dangerous.”
“NATO won’t let that happen,” another Western official told the Hürriyet Daily News on Monday. “If the Chinese or the Russians win the Turkish contest, their systems will have to work separately. They won’t be linked to NATO information systems.”
This was the first time NATO has strongly urged Turkey against choosing the non-Western systems.
“One explanation is that Turkey itself doesn’t plan to [ultimately] select the Chinese or Russian alternatives, but still is retaining them among their options to put pressure on the Americans and the Europeans to [lower] their prices,” the Western expert said.
Turkey’s long-range air and missile defense systems program (T-Loramids) has been designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles.
NATO missile shield
Turkey’s national program is totally separate and independent from NATO’s own plans to design, develop and build its own collective missile shield.
The Western alliance decided during a leaders’ summit meeting in Lisbon in November last year to create the collective missile shield against potential incoming ballistic missiles from rogue countries. Ankara agreed to the decision only after the alliance accepted a Turkish request that Iran or other countries would not be specifically mentioned as potential sources of threats.
NATO now is seeking to deploy a special X-band radar in Turkish territory for the early detection of missiles launched from the region.
Senior U.S. and Turkish officials discussed the matter in mid-July in Istanbul on the sidelines of a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and both sides reported progress toward an eventual deployment of the X-band radar on Turkish soil.
Ideally, in the event of a launch of a ballistic missile from a rogue state, it would be detected by the X-band radar, and U.S.-made SM-3 interceptors – based on U.S. Aegis destroyers to be deployed in the eastern Mediterranean and later possibly in Romania – would then be fired to hit the incoming missile mid-flight.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.

 

[tesla]

FD 2000 CONGRULATİONS CHİNA

 

[-SINAN-]

@Neptune i think you should do some cleaning. The comments on the first page can cause misunderstanding.

 

[Mitro]

China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .

Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .

But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .

 

[olcayto]

China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .

Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .

But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .

They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.

 

[Targon]

What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.

 

[damm1t]

Chinese contenders selected in Defense Ministry’s missile, air defense system tender

Ankara has granted a long-awaited tender for long-range missile and air defense systems to Chinese contenders, following a meeting of the Defense Ministry’s executive council, daily Hürriyet reported today.

CPMIEC’s (China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp.) HQ-9 was the lowest offer at a reported 3 billion dollars. The Chinese contenders also submitted co-production solutions, as requested in the tender.

Turkey presently has no long-range air-defense systems. The $4 billion program, dubbed the T-LORAMIDS, is being designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles.

The other bidders were the U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30.

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I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.