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Suu Kyi could be held guilty of crimes against humanity, says UN special envoy

^^ Trying to take the moral high ground on feelz? Check!

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/eb049231

The government of a dubiously democratic, newly independent state, in a relentless and openly avowed land‐grab, is waging genocidal warfare against the non‐Muslim tribal minorities who occupy lands along one of its borders with India. A Bangladeshi army commander operating in the Tracts once avowed the government's aim: “We Want the Soil but not the People of the Chittagong Hill Tracts.” A genocidal intention could not easily be more explicitly expressed.

Such great treatment of "citizens" indeed:

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/groups/w...violence-and-brutality-chittagong-hill-tracts

This is hardly surprising: since March 2015, access to outsiders is tightly controlled and the indigenous people are forbidden to speak to foreigners without supervision.

The Chittagong Hill Tracts in Bangladesh have been affected by what has been described as “genocide” or “ethnic cleansing” for many years. In the 1960s and 1970s, thousands were forced off their lands to make way for reservoirs and hydroelectric schemes, a displacement made worse by massacres against the Jumma people (the collective name for all indigenous peoples in the region), and nearly twenty years of conflict against a military dictatorship and also with the democratic government of Bangladesh. This only ended in 1997 when a peace accord recognised the rights of the Jumma people over their lands. This accord remains largely unimplemented and the Jumma people are not even acknowledged in the Bangladesh constitution.

The Bangladesh government has settled hundreds of thousands of Bengali people in the Chittagong Hills, and they now make up the majority of the population in the region. Settlement has not been peaceful. In a number of violent clashes, tobacco, rubber and tea planters have seized Jumma lands at will, usually with military support. By 2012 the situation had become so bad that one indigenous woman told Amnesty International;

“We are now left with no land to farm and grow crops, or forest to go to for collecting fuel, wood, and fruit. Life has become very hard as we have [the] army at very close proximity and I feel very insecure even walking short distances.”

Violence, particularly sexual violence, is routinely carried out by settlers and the military alike. The figures make for sickening reading: in 2014 alone 117 indigenous women faced physical and sexual abuse, 57% of these being children. Twenty one of these women were raped or gang-raped and seven were killed afterwards. During the first few weeks of 2015, at least three confirmed rapes were reported within sight of military checkpoints supposed to bring security to the area. These are only the reported incidents; the true figure is likely to be much higher. It is common practice for the police not to report rape and medical staff are pressured against doing so. No wonder indigenous lawyer, Samari Chakma, calls the Chittagong Hill Tracts a “rapist's heaven”.

Concerns over human rights violations have been stifled, often brutally, as in the case of Kalpana Chakma, indigenous human rights activist, abducted in 1996 and not seen since. Generally allegations are met with indifference by corrupt officials, or by official reprisal. Following damning reports by Amnesty International and other human rights concerns, the Bangladesh government has placed restrictions upon the Jumma peoples speaking with outsiders (restrictions which do not apply to the Bengali population in the region). As Jerry Allen, writing for Amnesty International, comments;

“...no evidence or even plausible accusation has ever been brought forward of outsiders collaborating with indigenous people to detriment of the sovereignty of Bangladesh. The authorities just want to silence the indigenous people.”
Rape is a problem there, I'll give you that. Generally speaking, due to the current flawed law system Bangladesh doesn't have a good record on rape convictions anywhere. I definitely wouldn't say BD as a whole is as cruel to the Hill people as the Burmese are to the Rohingya. The government did remove Rohingya refugees that were in the CHT away from there. I'll admit mistakes occurred in the 80's but with the signing of the accord their situation has improved. Of course the Accord still needs to be fully implemented.

Anyway, just because they aren't treated well doesn't give Burma the the moral high ground to treat a group of people even worse.
 
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International observers aren't saying anything against us. Even Amnesty is not saying anything much compared to what they write about the situation in Rakhine. There have been never talk of any sanctions of any type against us, nor are any governments condemning anything we do. This should tell you the difference in intensity between the two situations (one of which is resolved). And the Rohingya thing started back in the 60s, when their citizenship was taken away, when the Military Junta came to power. Before that, they were allowed all citizenship rights, including right to be elected and to vote. I'm not sure what you're on about, aside from your weird obsession with Bangladesh and Bangladesh-related topics. You honestly are a funny dude. I'm guessing you take yourself as a "Keyboard warrior", trying to "fight" people lmao in some online forum?

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Indian, Srilankan, and burmese monkey faggots will keep the fight with their 1inchers... LOL
 
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International observers aren't saying anything against us. Even Amnesty is not saying anything much compared to what they write about the situation in Rakhine. There have been never talk of any sanctions of any type against us, nor are any governments condemning anything we do. This should tell you the difference in intensity between the two situations (one of which is resolved). And the Rohingya thing started back in the 60s, when their citizenship was taken away, when the Military Junta came to power. Before that, they were allowed all citizenship rights, including right to be elected and to vote. I'm not sure what you're on about, aside from your weird obsession with Bangladesh and Bangladesh-related topics. You honestly are a funny dude. I'm guessing you take yourself as a "Keyboard warrior", trying to "fight" people lmao in some online forum?

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LOL going to my profile page to post cherry picked stuff from there. Typical BD mentality lol, prolonged effluent consumption is not kind to you. The point here from my interaction with you lot is to point out the hypocrisy ingrained in your kind... this is long term a good thing since your kind here need to be hemmed in within your sheeple pen by everyone else.... be it this showing of the mirror and/or the inevitable results on the ground both of which are super unkind to you lot's attitude.

International observers aren't saying anything against us. Even Amnesty is not saying anything much compared to what they write about the situation in Rakhine. There have been never talk of any sanctions of any type against us, nor are any governments condemning anything we do.

Heres a newsflash....no one cares about you...back then and now (except to extract whatever MSM feelz they can).

You really think "international observers" were active in the 70s and 80s (during the cold war) during the worst of the CHT pogroms and genocide (in your definition that you use now) compared to post cold war (western MSM focus switches because it no longer has the one big beefy baddie anymore)? Heck we all saw what the friggin US state department did with the Blood Telegram from 1971 and you are preaching about international observers lol.... you were completely ignored backwater then (Esp after Pakistan was removed from the dynamic), you could slaughter half your whole population and the whole world would have just ignored it....just like they did with Africa.

During the cold war, once any real players had stabilised the situation and gained whatever geopolitical ground in an area, it was left to fester and rot unless some MSM tokenism/globalism could be poked at....you think "international obsevers" meant anything lol? US "observed" a complete slaughter in Ethiopia (just one example) that THEY funded and then counter-funded in the cold war along with the Soviets (read about it sometime if you dare).... so take your post cold war "observer" verdict feelz elsewhere moron....keep clinging to the UN or whoever today, the same UN that lists your country as having 5 million illegals in India remitting 5 billion dollars a year....oh wait they are suddenly lying when it comes to that right? Hypocrite lol.

And the Rohingya thing started back in the 60s, when their citizenship was taken away, when the Military Junta came to power.

Has been answered to tons of times by @Aung Zaya already (regarding the rohingya population back then compared to the make up today). You guys wont agree on this given the vastly different account/perspective and chasm in between....so stop spouting it as though its some fact. Or actually just continue it....dont really care....because that just creates even more *** whopping on the ground for you guys....as to how meek and servile you lot are.

I definitely wouldn't say BD as a whole is as cruel to the Hill people as the Burmese are to the Rohingya.

Well thats an opinion. There is no real way to "rank" in a completely neutral way, things that have occured across time and space since the dawn of the human species esp taking into account all the variations and environments and multi-variate factors that have been in play when people commit evil (and then having to factor what the long term intent was and so on) .

The "fact-takers" and compilers are definitely not consistent and omnipresent enough to do that....unless you have faith in an absolute version of such, but that faith is no substitute for "in the now" proof.

Anyway, just because they aren't treated well doesn't give Burma the the moral high ground to treat a group of people even worse.

I'm not saying any side has a moral high ground here.....in fact no country really does if you really think about it and take into account all the fluxes and forces at play to create perceived superiority on any issue esp using a very short snapshot of time as reference. It is human condition to think in small % of our lifespans when really our lifespans are a small % of time for these forces at work in society.
 
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LOL going to my profile page to post cherry picked stuff from there. Typical BD mentality lol, prolonged effluent consumption is not kind to you. The point here from my interaction with you lot is to point out the hypocrisy ingrained in your kind... this is long term a good thing since your kind here need to be hemmed in within your sheeple pen by everyone else.... be it this showing of the mirror and/or the inevitable results on the ground both of which are super unkind to you lot's attitude.



Heres a newsflash....no one cares about you...back then and now (except to extract whatever MSM feelz they can).

You really think "international observers" were active in the 70s and 80s (during the cold war) during the worst of the CHT pogroms and genocide (in your definition that you use now) compared to post cold war (western MSM focus switches because it no longer has the one big beefy baddie anymore)? Heck we all saw what the friggin US state department did with the Blood Telegram from 1971 and you are preaching about international observers lol.... you were completely ignored backwater then (Esp after Pakistan was removed from the dynamic), you could slaughter half your whole population and the whole world would have just ignored it....just like they did with Africa.

During the cold war, once any real players had stabilised the situation and gained whatever geopolitical ground in an area, it was left to fester and rot unless some MSM tokenism/globalism could be poked at....you think "international obsevers" meant anything lol? US "observed" a complete slaughter in Ethiopia (just one example) that THEY funded and then counter-funded in the cold war along with the Soviets (read about it sometime if you dare).... so take your post cold war "observer" verdict feelz elsewhere moron....keep clinging to the UN or whoever today, the same UN that lists your country as having 5 million illegals in India remitting 5 billion dollars a year....oh wait they are suddenly lying when it comes to that right? Hypocrite lol.



Has been answered to tons of times by @Aung Zaya already (regarding the rohingya population back then compared to the make up today). You guys wont agree on this given the vastly different account/perspective and chasm in between....so stop spouting it as though its some fact. Or actually just continue it....dont really care....because that just creates even more *** whopping on the ground for you guys....as to how meek and servile you lot are.


In other news Su-35, Mig-35 and J-10C are coming to BD very soon.

Why talk when overwhelming military force will be available to BD to sort this problem out once and for all?
 
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In other news Su-35, Mig-35 and J-10C are coming to BD very soon.

Why talk when overwhelming military force will be available to BD to sort this problem out once and for all?

Cool, you certainly showed them who's boss with the SAMs you were chest thumping about....when they violated you how many times in your airspace? Violation after violation (what was it like 50 times or something according to you lot).....UK Bengali in baghdad bob style says "WE WILL SHOOT THE NEXT ONE 100% GUARANTEE (i can link to that conversation if you really want ppl to see it again).......and violations continue RIGHT AFTER.....and BD produces a nothing burger (UKbengali slinks away)....and BD sends ppl to negotiate rice imports from Burma all "no biggie" like. LOL.

I'm sure adding even more piecemeal goodies (whatever ends up actually materialising) will compensate for lack of this testosterone.

@DESERT FIGHTER @django
 
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Cool, you certainly showed them who's boss with the SAMs you were chest thumping about....when they violated you how many times in your airspace? Violation after violation (what was it like 50 times or something according to you lot).....UK Bengali in baghdad bob style says "WE WILL SHOOT THE NEXT ONE 100% GUARANTEE (i can link to that conversation if you really want ppl to see it again).......and violations continue RIGHT AFTER.....and BD produces a nothing burger (UKbengali slinks away)....and BD sends ppl to negotiate rice imports from Burma all "no biggie" like. LOL.

I'm sure adding even more piecemeal goodies (whatever ends up actually materialising) will compensate for lack of this testosterone.

@DESERT FIGHTER @django
The sad thing is they are doing all they can to prevent their Rohingha brethren to seek refuge, what can one say.Kudos bro
 
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Cool, you certainly showed them who's boss with the SAMs you were chest thumping about....when they violated you how many times in your airspace? Violation after violation (what was it like 50 times or something according to you lot).....UK Bengali in baghdad bob style says "WE WILL SHOOT THE NEXT ONE 100% GUARANTEE (i can link to that conversation if you really want ppl to see it again).......and violations continue RIGHT AFTER.....and BD produces a nothing burger (UKbengali slinks away)....and BD sends ppl to negotiate rice imports from Burma all "no biggie" like. LOL.

I'm sure adding even more piecemeal goodies (whatever ends up actually materialising) will compensate for lack of this testosterone.

@DESERT FIGHTER @django

Hey, hey loser.
Report of world-class air-defence frigates for BN came true and so will BAF acquisitions.
BAF will soon be armed with modern Russian and Chinese fighter aircraft.
BD will make a terrible example of the Barman savages, while Modi watches his bigotted buddies get annihilated.
 
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Report of world-class air-defence frigates for BN came true and so will BAF acquisitions.
lol again Su-35 ? even the Su-30 which u said we're getting very soon since long time ago is nothing solid. now again ? lol where is ur KJ-200 and Y-20 ? and C27J ? do u guys also remember that u guys said in 3 years ago.? ''we will build C13B in next year''. now how many of them have been built ? meanwhile we already built and commissioned 2 frigate ( F12 , F14 ) and 1 corvette 773 at the same time span. :coffee:
BAF will soon be armed with modern Russian and Chinese fighter aircraft.
BD will make a terrible example of the Barman savages, while Modi watches his bigotted buddies get annihilated.
so how many of them is accurate ? any link ? lol
 
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lol again Su-35 ? even the Su-30 which u said we're getting very soon since long time ago is nothing solid. now again ? lol where is ur KJ-200 and Y-20 ? and C27J ? do u guys also remember that u guys said in 3 years ago.? ''we will build C13B in next year''. now how many of them have been built ? meanwhile we already built and commissioned 2 frigate ( F12 , F14 ) and 1 corvette 773 at the same time span. :coffee:

so how many of them is accurate ? any link ? lol
where is ur super duper 135m frigate ??..lol..where is ur kilo class submarine..??where is ur LPD??..nd those manpad equipped vessels ,u call those frigate..??!! :rofl::rofl:..
 
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Indian, Srilankan, and burmese monkey faggots will keep the fight with their 1inchers... LOL

You should come to Sri Lanka. We love to do it with you lot.

lol again Su-35 ? even the Su-30 which u said we're getting very soon since long time ago is nothing solid. now again ? lol where is ur KJ-200 and Y-20 ? and C27J ? do u guys also remember that u guys said in 3 years ago.? ''we will build C13B in next year''. now how many of them have been built ? meanwhile we already built and commissioned 2 frigate ( F12 , F14 ) and 1 corvette 773 at the same time span. :coffee:

so how many of them is accurate ? any link ? lol

It is high time to find a cooperative pact between the Theravada Buddhist nations of South East Asia. Firstly it could be based on economic and religious issues but later if all the nations are willing it could be extended to military matters. We need to get together as fellow human beings who believe in Karma, Nirvana and non violence so that we will not find it to our disadvantage in military situations.
 
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where is ur super duper 135m frigate ??..lol..where is ur kilo class submarine..??where is ur LPD??..nd those manpad equipped vessels ,u call those frigate..??!! :rofl::rofl:..

BN corvettes are far more powerful than Myanmar frigates.
 
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where is ur super duper 135m frigate ??
it's under construction. will be ready in next year. lol according to MoD's report , total 8 warships including 135m frigates , FAC and OPV are under construction. here is the list :P
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where is ur kilo class submarine..??
lol stay tune. it's in very soon. :P
where is ur LPD??
did we ever say we're getting LPD ?
.nd those manpad equipped vessels ,u call those frigate..??!! :rofl::rofl:..
did u ever heard Gibka of Russia ?
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lol and the big part is Navy DI mass produced that SAM naval version. where is urs ? :rofl:
You should come to Sri Lanka. We love to do it with you lot.



It is high time to find a cooperative pact between the Theravada Buddhist nations of South East Asia. Firstly it could be based on economic and religious issues but later if all the nations are willing it could be extended to military matters. We need to get together as fellow human beings who believe in Karma, Nirvana and non violence so that we will not find it to our disadvantage in military situations.
agreed bro. we should cooperate in both economy and military in any possible ways. non violence is should be. but not for always. we also need to have good response system for the one who want to make violence with us. :cheers:
BN corvettes are far more powerful than Myanmar frigates.
can u point out the part that ur corvette is more powerful than us. according to naval expert Penguin , ur claim is hilarious. :rofl: read it.

Really?

Both have same AShM, but Kyan Sittha has 2x4 verses 056 with 2x2

056 has 2 single 30mm canno versus Kyan Sittha's 3x 30mm gatling and 2x 14.5mm gatling.

056 has only a helicopter pad, while Kyan Sittha has that plus a hangar (i.e. organic heli)

More/Better sensors on Kyan Sittha

So, NO advantage for the corvette here

So, it is just that 056 has 1x 8-round FL3000N versus Kyan Sittha's 1x6 Pedestal mounted manpads.

FL-3000N missile:

Minimum range: < 500 metersMaximum range: > 9 km for subsonic targets, > 6 km for supersonic targets

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS

consistently identified as the similar Soviet Igla-1E (SA-16 [9M313])operational range 5.6 km (3.2 mi)

That, my dear, is not a huge advantage....





And Myanmar also has it's own corvette, which is not much less from Kyan Sittha and smaller than 056 (yet very much it's equal): 76mm gun, 2x 30mm gatling, 2x2 AShM C802, 1x sixtuple manpads launcher, 2 ASW rocket launchers, helipad and hangar



http://www.janes.com/article/66579/myanmar-navy-commissions-first-corvette-with-reduced-rcs



I like both these designs in service with the Myanmar navy, which are nice all round designs. Personally, as far as aesthetics is concerned, I think the 056 - with it's low bridge and disproportionally large SAM launcher - is fugly. But you can't account for taste (or the lack thereof on my part ;-)
and the one he missed in that post , C13B lack s sonar and ASW weapons and torpedos meanwhile we have all. lol
 
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