Sushma Swaraj grants visa to another ailing Pakistani

[padamchen]

these have always been my flags... although I removed it and admin put it back again.

I think we both know which your real flags are.

Cheers, Doc

 

[swnjo]

Meh,,i dont think thts the real reason for pakistani patients visiting India.considerable lot of thm opt for medanta,apollo n othr super expensive medical establishmnts.they can surely afford chinese or iranian facilities.
The real reason for thm flocking to India is the similarity Pak bhayyas share wid our bhayyas,,,,jab bimar hue toh bhayya bhayya bhai bhai,,,warna diffrnt ppl,diffrnt culture,diffrnt language,diffrnt race,diffrnt religion,nazriati dushman,,nookliaah waaaa etc etc.

I dont know exactly where they treatment from in India, but most of them come with some serious or exotic diseases.One thing is sure they lack trained manpower to treat such diseases.

 

[Soumitra]

what about all other types of visa including visa on arrival.... cant terrorists sneak in with that visa

Visa on arrival for Pakistanis? what la la land you are living in.

Pakistanis do not get Visa on Arrival in India. Each and Every visa application of Pakistanis has extreme vetting

For Pakistani citizens vetting is done by Ministry of Home Affairs in Delhi. this is the only country with this requirement

https://www.india.org.pk/pages.php?id=114

Step 5: Applications are scrutinized and sent for clearance to Foreigner Division, Ministry of Home Affairs, New Delhi, India

Why am I asked to specify names of cities that I intend to visit in India?
Visa issued to Pakistan nationals are city specific and ordinarily a visa is endorsed only for travel to 5 (five) places during each visit.

What does Police Reporting on my visa mean? Does every member of my family need to report to the police? Can someone else report on my behalf? Do medical patients also have to report to the police?
All Pakistani nationals, except those holding Indian visas endorsed “exempted from police reporting”, will be required to register, in person, at the nearest police station / Foreigners Registration Officer (FRO) / Foreigners Regional Registration Officer (FRRO) within 24 hours of reaching the specified place of stay.

You will also have to make a similar report 24 hours prior to your intended time/ date of departure from each place of stay to the nearest police station / Foreigners Registration Officer (FRO) / Foreigners Regional Registration Officer (FRRO).

These strict requirements are ONLY for Pakistanis and not other nationality.

 

[livingdead]

I think we both know which your real flags are.

Cheers, Doc

ok... shhhh lets keep it a secret....

Visa on arrival for Pakistanis? what la la land you are living in.

Pakistanis do not get Visa on Arrival in India. Each and Every visa application of Pakistanis has extreme vetting

For Pakistani citizens vetting is done by Ministry of Home Affairs in Delhi. this is the only country with this requirement

https://www.india.org.pk/pages.php?id=114

Step 5: Applications are scrutinized and sent for clearance to Foreigner Division, Ministry of Home Affairs, New Delhi, India

Why am I asked to specify names of cities that I intend to visit in India?
Visa issued to Pakistan nationals are city specific and ordinarily a visa is endorsed only for travel to 5 (five) places during each visit.

What does Police Reporting on my visa mean? Does every member of my family need to report to the police? Can someone else report on my behalf? Do medical patients also have to report to the police?
All Pakistani nationals, except those holding Indian visas endorsed “exempted from police reporting”, will be required to register, in person, at the nearest police station / Foreigners Registration Officer (FRO) / Foreigners Regional Registration Officer (FRRO) within 24 hours of reaching the specified place of stay.

You will also have to make a similar report 24 hours prior to your intended time/ date of departure from each place of stay to the nearest police station / Foreigners Registration Officer (FRO) / Foreigners Regional Registration Officer (FRRO).

These strict requirements are ONLY for Pakistanis and not other nationality.

ok... what is this... fake site?
http://boi.gov.in/content/visa-arrival-pak-nationals

 

[Soumitra]

ok... shhhh lets keep it a secret....


ok... what is this... fake site?
http://boi.gov.in/content/visa-arrival-pak-nationals

Not sure about that site

the site I linked to was the official site of Indian mission in Pakistan

Another site https://www.immihelp.com/nri/indiavisa/tourist-visa-on-arrival.html

No mention of Pakistan

Another official site

https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/tvoa.html

e-Visa Facility is available for nationals of following countries/territories
Albania, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameron Union Republic, Canada, Cape Verde, Cayman Island, Chile, China, China- SAR Hongkong, China- SAR Macau, Colombia, Comoros, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote d'lvoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Kiribati, Laos, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Montserrat, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger Republic, Niue Island, Norway, Oman, Palau, Palestine, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal , Republic of Korea, Republic of Macedonia, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Turks & Caicos Island, Tuvalu, UAE, Uganda,Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uruguay, USA, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City-Holy See, Venezuela, Vietnam, Zambia and Zimbabwe

No mention of Pakistan

Even the site which you said has the condition that the person has to be over 65 has to be travelling via foot and crossing the border at attari for the sole purpose of visiting relatives or friends in India.

And even for that visa it is not that the person just comes to Attari and asks for Visa on Arrival. There is a requirement of a sponsorship certificate

• Sponsorship certificate should be attested by an authorized officer in India. DM/SP/SDM/Tehsildar/BDO/SHO/Group-“A” officers of the Central and State Government/ Principal of Government College/Principal or Headmaster of Government school are authorized for the purpose. A copy of the photo identity card of the concerned officer issuing the Sponsorship Certificate, duly self attested by the officer concerned, should be attached with the Sponsorship Certificate

So this person has to apply before hand for the sponsorship certificate. Before giving this sponsorship certificate the authorities will verify the antecedants of the persons the applicant is supposed to be visiting

There is some level of scrutiny of the person's background before granting him the Visa

Basically it is a Visa is for those old people who may have a family on this side of the border after partition.

I dont think that a 65+ year old terrorist will be able to come and easily get the Visa on Arrival at the Attari Border

 

[livingdead]

Not sure about that site

the site I linked to was the official site of Indian mission in Pakistan

Another site https://www.immihelp.com/nri/indiavisa/tourist-visa-on-arrival.html

No mention of Pakistan

Another official site

https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/tvoa.html

e-Visa Facility is available for nationals of following countries/territories
Albania, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameron Union Republic, Canada, Cape Verde, Cayman Island, Chile, China, China- SAR Hongkong, China- SAR Macau, Colombia, Comoros, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote d'lvoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Kiribati, Laos, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Montserrat, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger Republic, Niue Island, Norway, Oman, Palau, Palestine, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal , Republic of Korea, Republic of Macedonia, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Christopher and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Turks & Caicos Island, Tuvalu, UAE, Uganda,Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uruguay, USA, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City-Holy See, Venezuela, Vietnam, Zambia and Zimbabwe

No mention of Pakistan

Even the site which you said has the condition that the person has to be over 65 has to be travelling via foot and crossing the border at attari for the sole purpose of visiting relatives or friends in India.

And even for that visa it is not that the person just comes to Attari and asks for Visa on Arrival. There is a requirement of a sponsorship certificate

• Sponsorship certificate should be attested by an authorized officer in India. DM/SP/SDM/Tehsildar/BDO/SHO/Group-“A” officers of the Central and State Government/ Principal of Government College/Principal or Headmaster of Government school are authorized for the purpose. A copy of the photo identity card of the concerned officer issuing the Sponsorship Certificate, duly self attested by the officer concerned, should be attached with the Sponsorship Certificate

So this person has to apply before hand for the sponsorship certificate. Before giving this sponsorship certificate the authorities will verify the antecedants of the persons the applicant is supposed to be visiting

There is some level of scrutiny of the person's background before granting him the Visa

Basically it is a Visa is for those old people who may have a family on this side of the border after partition.

I dont think that a 65+ year old terrorist will be able to come and easily get the Visa on Arrival at the Attari Border

so you suspect a fake website with govt logo and gov.in address.. hmm... seems interesting.
and the fact that it has not been mentioned in other govt websites does not point to the way nic manages contents of the site to keep them consistent and up to date ... right?

 

[Soumitra]

so you suspect a fake website with govt logo and gov.in address.. hmm... seems interesting.
and the fact that it has not been mentioned in other govt websites does not point to the way nic manages contents of the site to keep them consistent and up to date ... right?

Are you sure that the content of that site is up to date?

Even if it is I have proved that the so called Visa on Arrival for Pakistanis is not a true Visa on Arrival. It is highly conditional and the person has to apply for it beforehand and there is scrutiny before it is granted

 

[wiseone2]

3) Lady reading Peshawar city

4) Hayatabad medical complex, government.

http://www.hmckp.gov.pk/

5) Peshawar SKMCH, charity run(cancer hospital) and free for about 70% of patients.

Peshwar will be a paradise compared to Afghanistan

 

[livingdead]

Are you sure that the content of that site is up to date?

Even if it is I have proved that the so called Visa on Arrival for Pakistanis is not a true Visa on Arrival. It is highly conditional and the person has to apply for it beforehand and there is scrutiny before it is granted

ok... so if this so called 'visa on arrival' is stopped tomorrow(presuming it is continuing now) with provision that only one endorsed by pak FM will be considered.. what will be your reaction?
is it
'yeah you never know our agencies might have got some trend about 65+ old people being radicalized, you can never be too careful'
or is it
'oh god, this is becoming silly point scoring game, I mean do you really want Indians to believe that you are securing our border by denying visa to 65+ year old people who got relatives, who are you fooling?'

 

[Soumitra]

ok... so if this so called 'visa on arrival' is stopped tomorrow(presuming it is continuing now) with provision that only one endorsed by pak FM will be considered.. what will be your reaction?
is it
'yeah you never know our agencies might have got some trend about 65+ old people being radicalized, you can never be too careful'
or is it
'oh god, this is becoming silly point scoring game, I mean do you really want Indians to believe that you are securing our border by denying visa to 65+ year old people who got relatives, who are you fooling?'

there is a saying "Doodh ka jalaa chaach ko bhi fook fook ke pita hai"

When terrorists can use 12-15 year old boys in their activities who says they cant use 65+ year old men.

Better safe than sorry

 

[jetray]

this is the only country with this requirement

I think even ppl of chinese origin (born in china or having chinese passport) also go extreme vetting.

hat you are securing our border by denying visa to 65+ year old

add syed ali shah gilani to your list , then you know why we have such rules.

Better safe than sorry

yup that is what rules & process are for.