Surgical strike — the Indian fiction

[Joe Shearer]

Good,and how are you,new chick,fell in love or what was the reason of your absence?

It was suggested to me that it would be wise for me not to be seen on a Pakistani forum. The person concerned seems to have much more on his plate, and I feel able to log in from time to time - perhaps once or twice a month - and catch up.

 

[HariPrasad]

Repeated reassurance is required to convince Pakistan Awam that it had not happened. Particularly after the video came out, one more assurance was required so it has happened.

 

[T-123456]

It was suggested to me that it would be wise for me not to be seen on a Pakistani forum. The person concerned seems to have much more on his plate, and I feel able to log in from time to time - perhaps once or twice a month - and catch up.

I understand Joe,dont worry about it, ill see you somewhere else.

 

[Dash]

And yet your inability to perceive what I have written in my posts above is NOT.

@Dash @randomradio @Skull and Bones @Sam. @Levina

You see Pakistanis will celebrate for a small video of PA shelling at IA posts. But they wont accept we did it. Thats a fair assertion. Let them be at peace with it

 

[Areesh]

The mere fact that two years and counting, they need to still emphasize it never happened is enough to indicate that something did happen

1. Indian government celebrates 2nd anniversary of this so called strikes
2. Someone in Pakistan writes article denying it

Bharati: Oh that is the proof that something happened. RIP logic

The funny part is that even ten years later you being an Indian won't be able to tell yourself with confidence what actually happened and what exact goals were accomplished.

 

[SQ8]

The government celebration is an outrage, and an insult to the members of the military and to all Indian citizens who don't wish their serving men and officers sacrifices to be made cheap political talking points to 'catch a vote', to use Jinnah's famous phrase.

The strike occurred. Let us not bandy words about it without knowledge of the events that transpired. Since then, there has been sufficient corroboration and evidence to put that beyond doubt. If it is an objection that what had happened earlier too was now being highlighted as a unique act of retaliation, that is valid; not the constant wail of denial.

To all Pakistani members: if you think it did not happen, that's fine; stop talking about it and picking at the scab on each and every occasion. The more publicity you give it, the more oxygen you give the poltroons and cowards who are taking political advantage of it, and the more ridiculous become the protests saying that it never happened.

If the strike did occur in the said unsaid manner it clearly did not have the impact or the targets were chosen badly or it was an oft routine action that left nothing to be said out of the ordinary. Be it two or eighteen, if there is something that is not extraordinary (say a usual ambush) then it isn’t surgical nor celebratory as if something big has occured. When every khaki from top to bottom in formal and informal interactions starts laughing at the mention of it or draws a disdainful look and points to the greater effectiveness of mortars vs “surgical” strikes; it then is safe to assume that their perception is better accepted this side of the bordwr and will remain so.
It does not mean that a discourse on whay that “strike” is (whether it even refers to the same events for the IA now vs then) is forbidden or whether this side cannot mock its narrative(including the expected Bollywood accompaniment).
So for all intents and purposes from our side and especially with the theatrical display of this “strike” by the Indian government and sanghi politics.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If the strike did occur in the said unsaid manner it clearly did not have the impact or the targets were chosen badly or it was an oft routine action that left nothing to be said out of the ordinary. Be it two or eighteen, if there is something that is not extraordinary (say a usual ambush) then it isn’t surgical nor celebratory as if something big has occured. When every khaki from top to bottom in formal and informal interactions starts laughing at the mention of it or draws a disdainful look and points to the greater effectiveness of mortars vs “surgical” strikes; it then is safe to assume that their perception is better accepted this side of the bordwr and will remain so.
It does not mean that a discourse on whay that “strike” is (whether it even refers to the same events for the IA now vs then) is forbidden or whether this side cannot mock its narrative(including the expected Bollywood accompaniment).
So for all intents and purposes from our side and especially with the theatrical display of this “strike” by the Indian government and sanghi politics.

LOL.

THAT was the unkindest cut of all.

 

[Hellfire]

1. Indian government celebrates 2nd anniversary of this so called strikes
2. Someone in Pakistan writes article denying it

Bharati: Oh that is the proof that something happened. RIP logic

And I thought I was quoted because you had decided to speak some sense. I see somethings never change

You would not get it, I am sure. Someone who was quoted a bit earlier, being an unfamiliar entity, was done so with the hope that reasoning is still not lost on the average member here.

The funny part is that even ten years later you being an Indian won't be able to tell yourself with confidence what actually happened and what exact goals were accomplished.

The funny part is, as always, you just don't see what is right in front of you.

fair point ..

And, that, is precisely what I had meant too. But the usual flag issues crop up

IA is famously accused of exaggeration , lying and faking encounters which all easily available for people to see . unless IA brings up a undeniable prove the story remains shady and foggy .

You see, that is where you have to re-visit the thread link I had provided to refresh yourself. You were present at the time, but too busy trolling, if I recall correctly, to note the exact occurrence which I had mentioned then itself. I could and still can not precisely lay out the sequences for you, for the clear reasons of how and why (failure of PA to detect ingress).

Let me just briefly explain what a surgical strike is - it is merely a fancy name to give to an operation undertaken to eliminate a specific target/targets without collaterals. In this case, the strike was against launch pads across LC. Done and over with. Not the first time, nor the last. The only difference was it was simultaneously done on a scale not undertaken earlier with a political ownership.

This was after Pakistan warned India from undertaking a 'surgical strike' after India's declaration of a surgical strike into Myanmar. The attempt to undermine peace initiatives undertaken by PM Nawaz Sharief and PM Modi, had to be undertaken, just like Lahore or just like the recent beheading of the BSF Jawan just immediately after PM Imran Khan declared an intent to seek a lasting peace by those who wield actual power in Pakistan (it is not the Pakistani awaam). But the Uri attack pushed the ruling BJP into a box, as they had positioned themselves as being hard on security issues. The rest, as is said, is history.

Going through the link u posted...on page 13 now. Is there any specific thing u want me to look for? U just said that 8 places were hit simultaneously. No casualties on Indian side...

Of the attacking force, none in actual execution. While egressing, one wounded from a land mine blast. Primary and secondary targets (4 x 2 )

These are all again...just claims. U can't expect me to believe u in absence of evidence. Is there some more convincing content in later pages...should I continue reading? Or will I find more of the same?

The link I posted was because you can skim through, I have number of posts giving in brief what exactly transpired. With of course, my interaction with the original @Oscar in the said thread.

Update: on page 22 now...ur last post seems to be a few pages back again saying 8 sites were hit, 4 of which are confirmed by Pak as well...again without any proof whatsoever.
How does that even work? How do u expect anyone to believe u without any proof?

4 locations (sectors) were given by Pakistan of heavy firing etc. Each had a primary and a secondary target. All were hit simultaneously.

It was an appeal to respect ur title(not an enforcement)...to either back up ur claims with proof or don't mock others for not believing u in absence of any proof.

Do ask around my credentials please from the moderators or title holders. And have a history of taking down fanboys without a thought to their flags.

Anyways, these were my last words on this. No use discussing. We do not need to prove anything to you. But this being PDF, my observations were a sincere attempt to drive in the point that the more you try to deny something, the more, the average imbecile will suspect, is there to hide. Just recall Kargil war? How vehemently Pakistanis kept denying it. Here also, on this very forum, you have them denying it well into 2009

Cheers.

I know.

But before that written post, which was informed and current, we did have a slightly unstructured conversation.

Yeah, it was because of imbeciles feeding me wrong inputs. Took me sometime to map out what happened.

The only person who has a better finger on the pulse, but who takes his time sharing information, is someone I thought you'd met, being in the same city, but apparently you haven't caught up with each other. Both of you have far more reliable access to information than I have any longer; all my 'cohort', even people almost a decade younger, have retired, and know as much or as little as any man in the street. OK, perhaps a tad more. You two are far more au fait.

Nov - Dec 16 were very hectic and busy days, filled with repetitions of the same set of actions for hours, day after day, over water. The only incentive was 24 hours hot water supply

 

[Areesh]

And I thought I was quoted because you had decided to speak some sense. I see somethings never change

You would not get it, I am sure. Someone who was quoted a bit earlier, being an unfamiliar entity, was done so with the hope that reasoning is still not lost on the average member here.

The point is still the same.

1. Indian government celebrates some "surgical strikes" it has done against Pakistan
2. A Pakistani naturally writes to reject this f allacy

You: Hurrah. That is the proof "something happened". Talk about clutching to straws.

The funny part is, as always, you just don't see what is right in front of you.

What is right in from of me is a sh!tshow and desperation to act against Pakistan somehow by your government