Supreme Court Pakistan and COAS Bajwa Extension: News & Discussions

[Dil_Pakistan]

As I said, it seems to be a technical issue. CJP is not like Saqib Nisar, he wont do things for theatrics.

During the hearing of a withdrawal application of a petition challenging the extension in Gen Bajwa's tenure today, the chief justice said: "Only the president of Pakistan can extend the tenure of the army chief."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1518960



Negative. President House never issued the notification. Please show me the notification if you have read it.

If it technical issues, he can simply issue orders to Govt. to complete the process. The official extension period starts from 28, if i am not wrong.

What's the need for these theatrics.

Also, didn't Khosa said he will never take Suo moto. NS fled the country but he did nothing, then it was executive's decision. But extension of COAS can't be. Uss keliye adalat se ajazat chahiye?

Deliberately creating a crisis is all i see, just for personal ego or satisfaction or whatever. Kuch nahi hosakta Pakistan ka....

 

[Xestan]

Read attorney General statement he is clearly saying that president has already issued the notification in Aug. Since the notification was not publicised that time, hence CJ is making a guess or wants the govt to publicised the notification. Nevertheless why SC asked COAS to make his presence in the court as well and why court want to dicuss the extension with him? Isn't it up to the govt to make the decision? Why interfering?

Negative.

You are continuously stating lies.

AG said that President's consent was involved, not that the notification was issued by the Presidency.

Secondly. Again, before calling something bullshit and presenting your own, just go find the notification from the President House and show it to me and the Supreme Court as well.

Attorney General is so stupid that he forgot to show the copy of the notification to the Supreme Court. WOW!

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

Agreed. The AG will apologize tomorrow and things will be hunky dory.

The issue here I think is that the PM office issued a formal letter to the public, which was the prerogative of the President.



This is where I disagree with you.

The CJP has been told by the AG that the President has already signed the notification.

So, whether or not you or I have seen it is moot.



The actual process is started off by the Defence Secretary if I remember correctly.

So basically the "honorable" judge wants to show PM down. that's all this is about. IK said onething, demanding equal justice for people and it hurt so much?? First speech and now this?

 

[Xestan]

This is where I disagree with you.

The CJP has been told by the AG that the President has already signed the notification.

So, whether or not you or I have seen it is moot.

It would be really silly that the AG doesn't present the signed notification in the court, since such notifications are published in the Gazette of Pakistan.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Negative.

You are continuously stating lies.

AG said that President's consent was involved, not that the notification was issued by the Presidency.

Secondly. Again, before calling something bullshit and presenting your own, just go find the notification from the President House and show it to me and the Supreme Court as well.

Attorney General is so stupid that he forgot to show the copy of the notification to the Supreme Court. WOW!

Why the ... I need to show you... M I a clerk working in president House, ... Even if this is a technical issue, summing up COAS in the court to justify his extension is unwanted. This could had been sorted out quietly. Further, this CJ is clearly irked with the musharaf case after yesterday events.

 

[Jango]

It would be really silly that the AG doesn't present the signed notification in the court, since such notifications are published in the Gazette of Pakistan.

That's the whole issue here.

Now I don't know the exact words which have been said in court, but I think the issue here is why did the PM office put out a letter regarding the extension, and not the President's office.

If there hasn't been a notification signed by the President and published in the gazette, then this is a much bigger problem. The government is going by the announcement of the PM office as an official extension letter, and this is incompetency of the highest level. Even I know how the process goes, I am sure others in the govt would too. And in this case, the AG is lying to the court. Much bigger problem.

But if all the formalities have been completed, then I am sure the CJP might have been shown the docs, and the AG will apologize tomorrow and everything is good.

And finally, in the third case, if everyone is playing a double game and Immy K reneges on his decision, then it's a much bigger clusterfck than we thought.

But in all honesty, I think it's the first case.

Let's see.

BTW, is the gazette published online?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

So basically the "honorable" judge wants to show PM down. that's all this is about. IK said onething, demanding equal justice for people and it hurt so much?? First speech and now this?

Yup Imran Khan speech that day has really irked this CJ. IK for some wrong reasons, was shifting the Nawaz blame to the courts which again in my opinion was wrong.

 

[Village life]

Gen Bajwa was given an extension in the light of the ongoing tensions with India. A change in command creates a vacuum for at least 6 months. Because we don't have a Vice Chief of Army Staff position so far, the new Commander must come from either one of the Corps or from one of the bureaucratic Arms of the Army.

I know some folks, mostly poorly informed about the situation are all ganged up here. They must keep the current situation at the border in mind.

If you don't believe me, go and check why exactly the Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat had to be given an extension for 3 years.

In normal circumstances, the Command must transfer after the end of tenure, but these days are no ordinary days, for us or for the Indians.

so if I believe you than it means we don't ha layers of command and if the cheif goes the whole military establishment will collapse ? wao what a argument to cover up your hidden affinity for some person not to a institution ,did the chain of command and control collapsed when 14 of top commanders were wipedout in a single covert incident of zia, s plane crash , did it collapsed and who the hell fuckn well informed person told you that Ik and Bajwa are going in to a war with India?, I wish you should sell this Manjan to retards, if this army is this much superficial in its command and fragile as institution that its system is dependent of one person then Allah He Hafiz Apka our Apki soch ka our watn ey Aziz ka,

 

[R Wing]

Gen Bajwa should step forward and declare his retirement for the good of the institution and the country.

 

[PAR 5]

Time to clean up this mess and those who created it

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Dawn last part :

"Army chief's tenure was extended after the president's approval," Attorney General (AG) Anwar Mansoor Khan told the court. "The summary had been approved by the cabinet."

Justice Khosa said that out of 25 cabinet members, only 11 had approved the extension.

"Fourteen members of the cabinet did not give any opinion due to non-availability," Justice Khosa said. "Did the government take their silence as agreement?"

Article clearly saying that federal cabinet also approved while at the same time questioning why 14 remain silent. Clearly he is deliberately toying with the govt and wants to embarrass them.

 

[Jango]

Dawn last part :

"Army chief's tenure was extended after the president's approval," Attorney General (AG) Anwar Mansoor Khan told the court. "The summary had been approved by the cabinet."

Justice Khosa said that out of 25 cabinet members, only 11 had approved the extension.

"Fourteen members of the cabinet did not give any opinion due to non-availability," Justice Khosa said. "Did the government take their silence as agreement?"

Article clearly saying that federal cabinet also approved while at the same time questioning why 14 remain silent. Clearly he is deliberately toying with the govt and wants to embarrass them.

The notification has to be signed by the President. A summary has to be moved by the Sec Def.

Just show that piece of paper.

 

[Maarkhoor]

https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-50555209

 

[S.Y.A]

Few words on leaders and followers:

A candidate makes into PMA as a cadet based on potential for being a future leader. The leadership instinct inculcated in PMA when a cadet is 18,19 years old is carried on for lifetime.All Military officers are envisioned as leaders. Thats what PMA Kakul is for - it transforms an ordinary young man into a leader - able to lead troops into combat. Those who show an all round capability in various other roles also, are promoted to Brigadier and rise into ranks of General staff. There are no followers in Military. However, all leaders are also expected to follow orders from their senior ranks. No two commanding officers lead the same unit in similar fashion. A 2IC may learn the trends and customs of unit command from the CO, but he will command the unit in his own manner and ways when he is promoted to CO.

So the logic that a new COAS will not know what is happening, and will not be able to handle the situation goes down the drain. By your own admission. If a new COAS isnt capable enough/wont be able to ahndle the situation, then obviously, your entire paragraph about commanding and following is useless.

I think Bajwa has much more than dignity - so he has been asked to stay and serve further.

Yes, a need to stay relevant. and cannot give up power easily. Maybe I chose the wrong word, if he has any integrity, he will step down.

 

[Signalian]

So the logic that a new COAS will not know what is happening, and will not be able to handle the situation goes down the drain. By your own admission. If a new COAS isnt capable enough/wont be able to ahndle the situation, then obviously, your entire paragraph about commanding and following is useless.


Yes, need to stay relevant. and cannot give up power easily. Maybe I chose the wrong word, if he has any integrity, he will step down.

I provided reality; you made a logic out of it and then cited my post useless leaning on that logic.