Summary of JC report

[Gazi]

When constitutional institutions fail to self correct they promote extra-constitutional interventions. When that happens everyone goes into self reflection and admit to their failures but as soon they get back into power they do the same mistakes all over.

Its the ACCUSERS that FAILED to PROVE their Allegations. That isnt JC's Fault because they took their time and Listened to everything those Accusers came up but when they couldnt able to convince them according to the law that Elections were Rigged Institutionally they gave their Verdict. WHatelse do you expect from them to do besides that.

The least that was expected from the commission was to highlight the weaknesses and gaps in our electoral system so that next elections may be better than the previous ones. What they did instead was to give a clean chit. This will encourage even more foul play in the future.

AFAIK they did provide Feedback on that in the report and they did accept Mismanagement does happened just like Mismanagement happened in KPK LB Elections.

The role of judiciary over the past few years seems to be that of preventer of justice rather then dispenser of justice. Be it regarding terrorism or otherwise. But one thing is for sure, next time these old fools are dragged to the dungeons by the boots, they won't find any support or sympathies.

Role of Judiciary has been According to their Institutional Capacity which is not quite up to mark indeed but that doesnt mean they are also INSTITUTIONALIZING Injustice either. First point was Accusers Failed to prove their case in JC and wasted people's 2 years in this mess instead of giving voice to PUBLIC NEEDS they kept them focus on their Political needs. I cant even Count one Immediate Benefit we could have from JC in our daily lives even if Accusers were able to Prove their Case.

 

[Bilal.]

@Gazi my comments were wider and beyond just the JC.

 

[Gazi]

@Gazi my comments were wider and beyond just the JC.

Of course it is but my Comment was also wider in the sense I mentioned Adlia Tehrik in it as well.

 

[Bilal.]

Of course it is but my Comment was also wider in the sense I mentioned Adlia Tehrik in it as well.

I dont know if they are institutionalising injustice willingly or not but the net result has been nothing short of the same. We are caught in catch 22s, kind of circular dependencies and needs.

Let me put a simplified example. To improve justice one requires other state arms to cooperate and assist judiciary, for that we need the government willing to build/allow such institutions, to force governments to do the right thing we need fair elections, for fair elections we need the gaps and weaknesses to be plugged by judiciary (ensure constitutional spirit by intervention in want of executive failing/unwilling to do so) that gets us back to the start.

Something has to break and fix the vicious cycle of dependencies..

 

[Imran Khan]

بھائی یہ پاکستان ہے یہاں صاف شفاف الیکشن 200 سال آگے بھی نا ہوں شاید ۔ جو بھی ہارتا ہے وہ رونے دھونے شروع کر دیتا ہے ۔ پر دوسری طرف ہم غریب ملک ہین ہر کسی کے اعتراض پر اربوں ڈالر کے انتخابات نہیں کرا سکتے سارے کے سارے سیاستدان سر پیر کا زور لگا دیتے ہیں جیتنے کے لیے تو کیسے صاف شفاف ہوں الیکشن ۔ یہی جو ہمیں لیکچر دے رہے ہیں 1000-1500 سیاستدان ہی تو ہیں جو دھاندلی کراتے ہیں انکی اس گھڑ دوڑ کی قیمت قوم کیوں ادا کرے ؟ ایک چور لوٹ لے پھر دوسرا اب کو باری ملے گی ہماری ہڈیاں بھنبھوڑنے کی ۔عمران خآن کو بھی ملے گی جو اسنے تیر مارنا ہے مار لے تب

 

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[Gazi]

I dont know if they are institutionalising injustice willingly or not but the net result has been nothing short of the same. We are caught in catch 22s, kind of circular dependencies and needs.

They are working on their Capacity so I dont think they are INSTITUTIONALIZING Injustice but thing is its also Accusers who are asked to prove their Case. In the end It would have been much better we Dispose them off when we had a chance Instead of regreting today.

Let me put a simplified example. To improve justice one requires other state arms to cooperate and assist judiciary, for that we need the government willing to build/allow such institutions, to force governments to do the right thing we need fair elections, for fair elections we need the gaps and weaknesses to be plugged by judiciary (ensure constitutional spirit by intervention in want of executive failing/unwilling to do so) that gets us back to the start.

That is Fruits of DEMOCRACY which was achieved by Getting rid of so called Dictator called Musharraf. Today he would be LAUGHING at us for doing these kind of mess of our country as he was doing fine Job in keeping things better for us. Today we are square one because we didnt listened.

 

[Bilal.]

@Gazi Mush should have stuck with the pre-2002 clean setup. Then he got bitten by the keera of democracy and politics and people who should have been brought to justice were propped to build "political support" and hence began the downward spiral of compromises that ended with NRO and Musharaf's own doom... When he was making deal with the devil what else was he expecting. I was infuriated when the rumours of deal with BB started coming out and knew exactly what would be the outcome, the rest is as they say history.

 

[Gazi]

@Gazi Mush should have stuck with the pre-2002 clean setup. Then he got bitten by the keera of democracy and politics and people who should have been brought to justice were propped to build "political support" and hence began the downward spiral of compromises that ended with NRO and Musharaf's own doom... When he was making deal with the devil what else was he expecting. I was infuriated when the rumours of deal with BB started coming out.

He only gave Pakistan what they Wanted. His pre 2002 Policy was Temporary and he couldnt have continued something like that longer because he was no Al Sisi for Pakistan. Those Politicians are Public choice not his choice so bear with it because in the end People CHOOSE them not Dictators.

 

[Bilal.]

He only gave Pakistan what they Wanted. His pre 2002 Policy was Temporary and he couldnt have continued something like that longer because he was no Al Sisi for Pakistan. Those Politicians are Public choice not his choice so bear with it because in the end People CHOOSE them not Dictators.

Sorry, he had full public support prior to 2002. Then slowly it started to erode as people saw the same looters being brought back and finally the NRO. Post 2002 his image of a man on a mission to rid Pakistan of filth started to tarnish.

 

[Gazi]

Sorry, he had full public support prior to 2002. Then slowly it started to erode as people saw the same looters being brought back and finally the NRO. Post 2002 his image of a man on a mission to rid Pakistan of filth started to tarnish.

NRO was done in 2007 on BB by Musharraf. Before that there was nothing called NRO.

 

[Bilal.]

NRO was done in 2007 on BB by Musharraf. Before that there was nothing called NRO.

And I didn't say otherwise. It started with 2002 compromises with NAB affected politicians being used to give a political face to mush leading to a slide towards NRO.

 

[Gazi]

And I didn't say otherwise. It started with 2002 compromises with NAB affected politicians being used to give a political face to mush leading to a slide towards NRO.

They were Kept at bay because Musharraf knew where they gather all their support and kept those Areas RESTRICTED to them that is why they couldnt able to form any substantial Share of Govt.

 

[Bilal.]

They were Kept at bay because Musharraf knew where they gather all their support and kept those Areas RESTRICTED to them that is why they couldnt able to form any substantial Share of Govt.

Don't know what you ate talking about. But there is no denying that the slide started and concluded due to mis-steps of Mush himself.

 

[Gazi]

Don't know what you ate talking about. But there is no denying that the slide started and concluded due to mis-steps of Mush himself.

Buddy Nawaz was Dependant on Electables and all Electables were brought in PMLQ to Counter Nawaz and PPP was dependent on BB and BB was kept outside Pakistan till 2007.