SULTAN SHAHAB UDDIN GHAURI

[MM_Haider]

He established Islamic state to some extent and got rid of Prithivi which led to spread to Islam in the region because prithivi was creating problems for Hazrat Khawja Moeen u Deen Chisti

Please elaborate.

1. His islamic state was to which extent as history is silent about it.
2. Secondly kindly enlighten us as to who called ghori for Moin Ud Din Chisti Sahab's succor and what problem prithvi was creating for him.

Thanks.

 

[Zarvan]

Please elaborate.

1. His islamic state was to which extent as history is silent about it.
2. Secondly kindly enlighten us as to who called ghori for Moin Ud Din Chisti Sahab's succor and what problem prithvi was creating for him.

Thanks.

Prithivi was asking him to leave the area and trying to send soldiers and who used to threaten him and others what history says Ghauri saw dreams of some old man asking him to take out Prithivi and he than talked to his guys they said we were planning this and we think the time has come and than he attacked

 

[Aslan]

Please elaborate.

1. His islamic state was to which extent as history is silent about it.
2. Secondly kindly enlighten us as to who called ghori for Moin Ud Din Chisti Sahab's succor and what problem prithvi was creating for him.

Thanks.

Let make it as simple as it could be, he had an army, he went in kicked *** conquered land, and now we have a Pakistan to which he is also one of the reasons.

 

[MM_Haider]

Prithivi was asking him to leave the area and trying to send soldiers and who used to threaten him and others what history says Ghauri saw dreams of some old man asking him to take out Prithivi and he than talked to his guys they said we were planning this and we think the time has come and than he attacked

So you are proud of a man who invades a foreigner's land compelled by a mere dream and when prithvi asked him to leave (which was his right), he didn't? what a jingoistic approach you have.. strange.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Permanent stockholm syndrome!

Interestingly Zarvan's article clearly states that foreign islamist invaders used force to convert locals and had no honor on battlefield. It is also well established that they would take defeated and slaughtered peoples' wives and daughters (and sons?) as sex slaves (as allowed in their religion). Such honorless, murderous people are today revered in a self-hating piece of land where these people committed the most killing and rape.

 

[MM_Haider]

Let make it as simple as it could be, he had an army, he went in kicked *** conquered land, and now we have a Pakistan to which he is also one of the reasons.

lol... so he was an invader... that's it,.. and had not even remote connection to Islam when he was planning a war over natives of India. I don't think it is something to be proud of. Rather Afghans should apologize for such fanatic acts of their ancestors from natives of subcontinent.

 

[Spring Onion]

So you are proud of a man who invades a foreigner's land compelled by a mere dream and when prithvi asked him to leave (which was his right), he didn't? what a jingoistic approach you have.. strange.

Alla invasions are like that all conquests are like that . Brutal in nature.

Once it was horses, swords and other such weapons and now Tanks, drones, bombs.

So who is different ? nobody

 

[Aslan]

lol... so he was an invader... that's it,.. and had not even remote connection to Islam when he was planning a war over natives of India. I don't think it is something to be proud of. Rather Afghans should apologize for such fanatic acts of their ancestors from natives of subcontinent.

Lets say he was, so, did the Romans conquer all of their lands for the sake of Christianity, what about Alexander, Genghis khan, temur, u can find a million reasons to satisfy ur ego, and non to hold onto. And why should the Afghans apologies, get off that high horse of morality mate, this world we live in was built on corpses. Our country had to sacrifice millions before u could earn the right to spot that flag.

 

[MM_Haider]

Alla invasions are like that all conquests are like that . Brutal in nature.

Once it was horses, swords and other such weapons and now Tanks, drones, bombs.

So who is different ? nobody

I agree with you! My point is different. I am just against such mindset who takes pride on such heinous acts and considers that it was for some sort of religious compulsion! Today the human conscious is at such a level as to shun such acts but alas, in our country this is growing exponentially.

Lets say he was, so, did the Romans conquer all of their lands for the sake of Christianity, what about Alexander, Genghis khan, temur, u can find a million reasons to satisfy ur ego, and non to hold onto. And why should the Afghans apologies, get off that high horse of morality mate, this world we live in was built on corpses. Our country had to sacrifice millions before u could earn the right to spot that flag.

Ok.. don't apologize if hurts some sort of ego, but at least call it wrong and don't take pride on it. Is it also difficult?

 

[Spring Onion]

I agree with you! My point is different. I am just against such mindset who takes pride on such heinous acts and considers that it was for some sort of religious compulsion! Today the human conscious is at such a level as to shun such acts but alas, in our country this is growing exponentially.

the word country is a big one not in our country but only handful of people who are aware of these conquests. The common doesn't know and doesn't care while some people like me view these from military planning point of view

 

[Aslan]

I agree with you! My point is different. I am just against such mindset who takes pride on such heinous acts and considers that it was for some sort of religious compulsion! Today the human conscious is at such a level as to shun such acts but alas, in our country this is growing exponentially.



Ok.. don't apologize if hurts some sort of ego, but at least call it wrong and don't take pride on it. Is it also difficult?

Why should I apologize for anything or call it wrong, if u are so hurt by his actions then u do it. I am not sorry for what he did, he did what he had to in the time that merited such actions. Empires came, empires went, even if he did it for the sake of glory, or money or just more power. He died almost a 1000 years ago. I cant be the judge of him, I didnt know what was in his heart, but if he was in anyway shape or form responsible for me being a Muslims, and a Pakistani today, then I am thankful to him. So who do u take pride in, let me ask u if Mohamad Ghori was wrong, then how did QMA Jinnah become right.


And have u paid any attention to the lvl of human conscious today, have u really spared a min to really pay attention to your surroundings. Have u missed out the bloody wars ragging aroung u in the name of freedom and democracy, then what number of people use to die in days, are today killed in the matter of minutes. So what is the lvl of human conscious today.

 

[MM_Haider]

the word country is a big one not in our country but only handful of people who are aware of these conquests. The common doesn't know and doesn't care while some people like me view these from military planning point of view

You opinion is your opinion but the general opinion in Pakistan is that, such invaders were some sort of Mujahideen. Which is wrong. They had nothing to do with Islam and why should we feel proud when they were not even natives of subcontinent? Let Afghans be proud of them. Even from military point of view, These invaders didn't do much. Whenever they had to face a better opponent, they failed.

 

[Zarvan]

So you are proud of a man who invades a foreigner's land compelled by a mere dream and when prithvi asked him to leave (which was his right), he didn't? what a jingoistic approach you have.. strange.

O really so you are saying what Sahabas did was also wrong WOW because they invaded lands too O your slave mentality is clearly seen here so stop replying to me I don't like Indians slaves much

Permanent stockholm syndrome!

Interestingly Zarvan's article clearly states that foreign islamist invaders used force to convert locals and had no honor on battlefield. It is also well established that they would take defeated and slaughtered peoples' wives and daughters (and sons?) as sex slaves (as allowed in their religion). Such honorless, murderous people are today revered in a self-hating piece of land where these people committed the most killing and rape.

No body was forced to convert Mr if that would have been the case the largest Muslim country Mr no Army went their Indonesia and who is forcing those thousands and thousands converting to Islam in USA and Europe and even India these days

 

[MM_Haider]

Why should I apologize for anything or call it wrong, if u are so hurt by his actions then u do it. I am not sorry for what he did, he did what he had to in the time that merited such actions. Empires came, empires went, even if he did it for the sake of glory, or money or just more power. He died almost a 1000 years ago. I cant be the judge of him, I didnt know what was in his heart, but if he was in anyway shape or form responsible for me being a Muslims, and a Pakistani today, then I am thankful to him. So who do u take pride in, let me ask u if Mohamad Ghori was wrong, then how did QMA Jinnah become right.


And have u paid any attention to the lvl of human conscious today, have u really spared a min to really pay attention to your surroundings. Have u missed out the bloody wars ragging aroung u in the name of freedom and democracy, then what number of people use to die in days, are today killed in the matter of minutes. So what is the lvl of human conscious today.

Mate, if you consider that right as per those conditions then you have no right even today to call the foreign invasion on any land wrong. This is the human conscious I am talking about. You are a hypocrite if you claim what Ghaznavi or Ghori did was right and what USA is doing in Afghanistan today is wrong. I hope you understand the human conscious. History is very cruel. It tells very clearly as to what in his heart when he was invading India and it was not for glory of Islam. Quid-e-Azam did his political struggle.. don't start comparing apples and oranges now, just for the sake of response.

Anyways, my point is that ... In Ghaznavi or Ghori.. there is nothing for Muslims of Subcontinent to be proud of!

 

[notsuperstitious]

No body was forced to convert Mr if that would have been the case the largest Muslim country Mr no Army went their Indonesia and who is forcing those thousands and thousands converting to Islam in USA and Europe and even India these days

Why are you so stupid when it comes to logic? when there is clear cut evidence chronicled throughut history of islamic invasions followed by conversion or death of locals you talk of indonesia? Certainly Indonesians were not forced to convert, but how does that make the rest of the islamic invasions across asia and europe disappear? What kind of illogical robots are you apologists?