Sukhoi-30MKI is India’s fallback fighter

[sancho]

Su-30MKI is most powerful plane in subcontinent and it has western systems installed, but Indian make it invincible on forums its similar to claiming that HMS Titanic was unsinkable.

Just as Pakistanis tend to downplay it's capabilities, which in both cases are only based on pride factors not on reasonable facts. Of course it's not unbeatable, but technically it simply is one of the most capable fighters in the area and has certain advantages over other fighters. But then again, only we forumers talk about fighter vs fighter scenarios, while our forces would compare the whole tactical scenarios with all capabilities of their fleets in mind.

 

[Basel]

You can't sink a ship which never existed.
RMS Titanic (Royal Mail Steamer Titanic) is another story.
Your failure of course does not prove that SU-30MKI is invincible.

I will edit my mistake as for MKI I never believe that MKI is invincible, even F-22 is not invincible.

 

[kaykay]

If situation demands, IAF should order 40 more MKIs. Also make sure that super sukhoi upgrades start asap.

 

[Storm Force]

chinease and the Russians field massive flanker fleetsith massive RCS. Good enough for them SO good enough for India.

I dont see th chinease Russians rushing to buy small technological plans.

india is a massive country with massive air space and sea lanes and 300 su30mki is a very sensible option

this is not tiny israel or realtive small pakistan we are huge continent

 

[Basel]

we gave our reason why we thik its best

There is a difference in being best and being invincible and many Indian claim MKI to be invincible in sub-continent.

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

There is a difference in being best and being invincible and many Indian claim MKI to be invincible in sub-continent.

Is there any better fighter in the subcontinent than mki

 

[pursuit of happiness]

There is a difference in being best and being invincible and many Indian claim MKI to be invincible in sub-continent.

-- accepted...
no machine is invincible..
not even god best .. the Man/Women

 

[Basel]

Is there any better fighter in the subcontinent than mki

Read my post again, you are asking the same thing which I defined.

-- accepted...
no machine is invincible..
not even god best .. the Man/Women

To be honest I never understand why IAF went for Rafaels? while they have many projects which could have filled the gap easily, LCA & MKI would have filled the gap and FGFA is also in the pipe line with AMCA so why rushing for Rafaels?? with SAAB you can get tech for LCA which will make you industry on the par with west so why go for expensive Rafaels when you can have your own advance fighter jet to do the job, while you already have upper hand in tech and numbers.

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

Read my post again, you are asking the same thing which I defined.



To be honest I never understand why IAF went for Rafaels? while they have many projects which could have filled the gap easily, LCA & MKI would have filled the gap and FGFA is also in the pipe line with AMCA so why rushing for Rafaels?? with SAAB you can get tech for LCA which will make you industry on the par with west so why go for expensive Rafaels when you can have your own advance fighter jet to do the job, while you already have upper hand in tech and numbers.

Air force needed medium fighter...mki is heavy fighter...Fgfa not coming so quickly.Will take atleast 10-15 years.Saab single jet fighter was not suitable for our air force's requirements.Again LCA is single engine while air force preferred double engine.Rafael was better choice out of eurofighter and rafael in terms of requirements and econimically.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Read my post again, you are asking the same thing which I defined.



To be honest I never understand why IAF went for Rafaels? while they have many projects which could have filled the gap easily, LCA & MKI would have filled the gap and FGFA is also in the pipe line with AMCA so why rushing for Rafaels?? with SAAB you can get tech for LCA which will make you industry on the par with west so why go for expensive Rafaels when you can have your own advance fighter jet to do the job, while you already have upper hand in tech and numbers.

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every AF have its own + and - , doctrain , tactics ...
IAF world role base doctrain ...
they have Su30 mki as Air supriority role.... but it will be for Dominance /Air supirority ...
as all know Mki have - of huge rcs .....

rafaeld are replacing migs ..
was role of lca but its still not up to DERISED level of IAF standarrds..
MMRCA - as suggest Rafaele are for multirole maily for Strike role - grounds .. that why eorofigter alcked and gone
LCA will mature ..
if you get chocate with cashe nuts for plain vanilla ice cream (LCA).. why not

 

[janon]

China is deeply embargoed when it comes to military purchases or tech, therefore the most advance fighters they get were Su-27s & Su-30MKKs which were also well suited for PLAAF as it has to defend very large air space, single engine fighter like F-16 or J-10s are 2nd tier planes and all super powers like US & USSR had used F-15, Su-27 as their front line fighters and they also had to cover very large area, that is why China have selected to go with flankers as their main fighter force while they were also working on J-10s.

Go through the list of F-15 operators. It's not just large countries that use them as their premier air superiority/strike fighter. Even countries with tiny airspace, like Israel and Japan and S Korea and Saudi Arabia field these mammoth F-15s, which often fly top cover for F-16s or their equivalents. The fact of the matter is that despite the larger RCS, heavy, twin engined aircrafts with excellent aerodynamics and powerful avionics and radars make much better air superiority machines. There is so much that an MKI or F-15 can do that an F-16 or mirage-2000 simply cannot. That is why despite being much higher priced, all countries that can afford them will have them in small numbers, in addition to the lower end fleet of F-16 class aircrafts.

So the trollish poster who kept saying that MKI is inferior because of a larger RCS simply has no clue what he is talking about. RCS is not the be all and end all of aerial warfare. Heavier aircrafts can house much more powerful jammers, much more powerful radars, have much more agility or maneuverability, carry many more missiles (BVR and WVR), carry much heavier loads for ground attack, and so on. Each MKI due to their immensely powerful radar can act as mini AEWAC or command post, and guide other MKIs or smaller fighters flying radar silent. In such a case, only the radar emitting MKI will be detected by the enemy, while the shooters would be other aircrafts using that MKI's targetting data through a datalink. That's just one possibility that makes RCS comparisons irrelevant; there are many more.

Pakistanis claiming that a well trained F-16 pilot will stand a better chance simply because an MKI has a large RCS, is simply wishful thinking or denial of reality or both. An equally well trained pilot in an MKI will most probably have the last laugh. Anyway it doesn't mean that an F-16 can never shoot down an MKI, it just means that the odds are heavily in favour of the MKI. Not to mention the other benefits that MKIs have in aerial warfare, like range and load and loiter time.

 

[egodoc222]

Nothing is troll.

All technical points.

Countries with unlimited resources (well, not really lol) have always chose fighters like F-16s, Eurofighters, and Rafales etc. Why? Because they know that these jets are real assets.

Su-30MKI is good, too.

mig21 and f5s have much lesser RCS than f16...does it mean they are btr thn f16???
technical points!? my foot!!!

 

[Chanakyaa]

Go through the list of F-15 operators. It's not just large countries that use them as their premier air superiority/strike fighter. Even countries with tiny airspace, like Israel and Japan and S Korea and Saudi Arabia field these mammoth F-15s, which often fly top cover for F-16s or their equivalents. The fact of the matter is that despite the larger RCS, heavy, twin engined aircrafts with excellent aerodynamics and powerful avionics and radars make much better air superiority machines. There is so much that an MKI or F-15 can do that an F-16 or mirage-2000 simply cannot. That is why despite being much higher priced, all countries that can afford them will have them in small numbers, in addition to the lower end fleet of F-16 class aircrafts.

So the trollish poster who kept saying that MKI is inferior because of a larger RCS simply has no clue what he is talking about. RCS is not the be all and end all of aerial warfare. Heavier aircrafts can house much more powerful jammers, much more powerful radars, have much more agility or maneuverability, carry many more missiles (BVR and WVR), carry much heavier loads for ground attack, and so on. Each MKI due to their immensely powerful radar can act as mini AEWAC or command post, and guide other MKIs or smaller fighters flying radar silent. In such a case, only the radar emitting MKI will be detected by the enemy, while the shooters would be other aircrafts using that MKI's targetting data through a datalink. That's just one possibility that makes RCS comparisons irrelevant; there are many more.

Pakistanis claiming that a well trained F-16 pilot will stand a better chance simply because an MKI has a large RCS, is simply wishful thinking or denial of reality or both. An equally well trained pilot in an MKI will most probably have the last laugh. Anyway it doesn't mean that an F-16 can never shoot down an MKI, it just means that the odds are heavily in favour of the MKI. Not to mention the other benefits that MKIs have in aerial warfare, like range and load and loiter time.

can this post be stickied ?
clear explations. very informative.

 

[kaykay]

There is a difference in being best and being invincible and many Indian claim MKI to be invincible in sub-continent.

so far Its only you who is blabbering about being its 'invisible' and no Indian member in this thread. Also this rheotic started by you only and not some Indian member in this thread.

 

[Zhukov]

Its Ohh really then why chinese have over 300 Su-27 or j-11 su-30MKm fighters they might be stupid to buy these junk s as per your claims

Quite frankly, Chinese have very limited choice at there hands. Even India have more options for procurement then china in international Market.
Its not a matter of nationalism mate.
The Flanker RCS kills its range benefit and Striker role.
And to be honest in 90s when india opted for flankers Indian options were limited too and Indian Economy was not as robust as it is today. Even a KLJ-7 of JF17 can detect a Fighter of 10+ RCS (Such as Su30) from 120km away.
And the small RCS Pakistani Fighters like F16 JF17 and F7 can only be detected by even powerfull bars radar of Su30 from similar range like 120-130KM.
Flanker is good in electronic warfare, and striking in a region where Air defenses are not strong enough.
Trust me in air to air, Even Indian Mig29s are more threatning to f16 and JF17 then Su30.

su30 is primarily to counter china that operates heavy twin engine jets. and is effective in that role.