Strongest Empires by timeline

[Birbal]

yes i knew that but I found nepali to be closer to bangla than hindi or urdu. Also i heard from someone that when the aryans came, buddhists monks fled to bengal from them.

The Aryans were around long before Buddhism was invented...

 

[kollang]

and




Spare me of the retarded conspiracy of Zionist hatred against Muslims, Allah(swt), Prophet Mohammid(Pbuh), Noble Quran and Islam

Wiki is not a reliable sources about Science and Islam, Especially when you have people who are paid to go and make lies against Islam

Arrington’s TechCrunch was Biased, Anti Islam & Spreading Zionist Propaganda, Did It Favor Jewish Startups? - ArabCrunch

Get yourself educated:

islam and science-part1

Islam: Empire of Faith. Part 1: Prophet Muhammad and rise of Islam (full; PBS Documentary) - YouTube

Ahmad Deedat Speaks On Zionist Jews Inviting Thier Own Death - YouTube


We understand your hatred against Islam No need to turn facts Upside down

in this case wiki is so valid.why?just look at his references.

 

[Hack-Hook]

NOTHING PERSONAL, BUT WHO DID SPREAD ISLAM!
Persians contributed a whole lot, but to say what you are saying is going beyond logic and historical facts.
Some like ibn sina were mixed Arab-Persian, but the fact is in Islam there were no differences between Arabi, Ajami or persian,only in the amount of faith, and every Muslim was considered as a full citizen of the Ummah and he could live anywhere he choose to within its frontiers and had equal rights to education, commerce or whatever endeavour he choose to pursue, hence many Persians and others were able to contribute in all fields of life.

See post #130 for a better understanding.

nothing of Ibn Sina is Arab

Avicenna was born c. 980 near Bukhara (in present-day Uzbekistan), the capital of the Samanids, a Persian dynasty in Central Asia and Greater Khorasan.

and he died in Hamadan nothing Arab there he wrote more than 450 book and because one of them is in Arabic you say he is partly Arab ?
well according to Islam there is no difference but on what ? according to Islam there is no different between people when it come to God and Judgement and only their Piety distinguish them .
well if so why in that article instead of Islam there was Arab and then all the scientist of Iran and Spain and Italy were called Arabs ?

In your post you mentioned the world Ajam and Arab tell me when and where the distinction between those two words started ,or better
why Arab started to call Iranian Ajam , was it holly prophet Pbuh the one who started that ?
you say every Muslim were considered equal then tell me the reason for the downfall of Barmak Family ? wasn't it because of that Haroon Al-rashid didn't considered his sun worthy of his wife which was Arab and he only agreed to the marriage for political reasons ,honestly can you tell me one instance in Ommayed Dynasty when Ajams were considered equal with Arabs .

and again I say n the golden age of Islamic civilization Iran were not under the control of Abbasid or Ommayrd we had our own dynasties which were Tahirid , Saffaride , samanide , Al ziar , Al Booye and Deylamian .that's why technology and science flourished in Iran and that's why in the Ommayed time when we were under the tyranny of Ommayed there was no movement in science ,,art and technology .

 

[Birbal]

No no go and provide links other than Wiki I think I said that first . STop spreading LIes .

This Arab-Iran rivalry is so divisive. Now even Israelis are fighting with each other.

 

[killerx]

long live islam

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Mongols they got everyone.

not us the egyptian army stoped them

 

[nalandapride]

Mongols they got everyone.

It is said that Indian Summer stopped Mongols from destroying India.

 

[manofwar]

self delete

 

[Birbal]

It is said that Indian Summer stopped Mongols from destroying India.

Oh the irony. The Russian winter didn't stop the Mongols but the Indian summer did.

 

[Deno]

not us the egyptian army stoped them

Sorry but not Egyptian Mamluks were not Egyptian

Oh the irony. The Russian winter didn't stop the Mongols but the Indian summer did.

Mongols are used to snow, cold and even death hot deserts but they are not used to jungles... Maybe what he said about Indian summer is about extreme jungles of India?

 

[MilSpec]

The Indian armies of the Mauryan and Gupta empires were also quite disciplined. And the Romans did held little if any technological advantage over them.

I'd love to see the ancient Roman army deal with several thousand elephants.

It's a little harder to compare the Chinese to the Romans. Technologically, China was nearly always superior to anyone else, but to what extent it was able to put its technology to good practical use is an open question.



Well it depends on the Muslim conquerors. There were those who decided to establish empires in the subcontinent and elsewhere and there were those who just wanted to loot.

Interestingly, many of the early English colonists also intended merely to establish their own administrations in India. It wasn't until the 1800s that they started looting India.

Tathastu

 

[The SC]

Please post list of Muslim scientists pre 750 AD. From any source u wish.

Please post any name of a Jewish scientist pre or after 750 AD Without belonging to a nationality different than Jewish.

Persians were great and intelligent people that is why they have accepted Islam and the Arab muslims integrated them in their high societies.

 

[The SC]

nothing of Ibn Sina is Arab

and he died in Hamadan nothing Arab there he wrote more than 450 book and because one of them is in Arabic you say he is partly Arab ?
well according to Islam there is no difference but on what ? according to Islam there is no different between people when it come to God and Judgement and only their Piety distinguish them .
well if so why in that article instead of Islam there was Arab and then all the scientist of Iran and Spain and Italy were called Arabs ?

In your post you mentioned the world Ajam and Arab tell me when and where the distinction between those two words started ,or better
why Arab started to call Iranian Ajam , was it holly prophet Pbuh the one who started that ?
you say every Muslim were considered equal then tell me the reason for the downfall of Barmak Family ? wasn't it because of that Haroon Al-rashid didn't considered his sun worthy of his wife which was Arab and he only agreed to the marriage for political reasons ,honestly can you tell me one instance in Ommayed Dynasty when Ajams were considered equal with Arabs .

and again I say n the golden age of Islamic civilization Iran were not under the control of Abbasid or Ommayrd we had our own dynasties which were Tahirid , Saffaride , samanide , Al ziar , Al Booye and Deylamian .that's why technology and science flourished in Iran and that's why in the Ommayed time when we were under the tyranny of Ommayed there was no movement in science ,,art and technology .

No, it is because I have never heard a Persian name like "Abu Ali al-Hussain Ibn Abdallah Ibn Sina "

Avicenna wrote 99 books, almost all in Arabic, the language of religious and scientific expression in the entire Muslim world at that time

Philosophers : Ibn Sina (Avicenna)

Avicenna wrote 99 books, almost all in Arabic, the language of religious and scientific expression in the entire Muslim world at that time


The arabs called the Iranian people the Fors :
According to The Political Language of Islam, during the Islamic period, Ajam was originally used as a reference to denote those whom Arabs in the Arabian peninsula viewed as "alien" or outsiders.[4] The early application of the term included all of the peoples with whom the Arabs had contact including Persians, Byzantine Greeks, Ethiopians, and the somewhat related Nabataeans. Over time the term because specialized and referred to Persians almost exclusively as an ethnic term, but varied in its usage from place to place as the early Muslim conquests led to a much wider of Arabic-speakers. However, the original meaning still exists, and in much of the non-Arabic speaking Muslim world the term does not have a pejorative meaning as the word is understood to mean anyone who does not speak Arabic. In recent literature the usage of the term is not used to any ethnic group, but instead may have evolved from the original Arabic usage for outsiders in general. Ajam is pre Islamic Arabic word.


According to Clifford Edmund Bosworth, "by the 3rd/9th century, the non-Arabs, and above all the Persians, were asserting their social and cultural equality (taswīa) with the Arabs, if not their superiority (tafżīl) over them (a process seen in the literary movement of the Šoʿūbīya). In any case, there was always in some minds a current of admiration for the ʿAǰam as heirs of an ancient, cultured tradition of life. Even the great proponent of the Arab cause, Jāḥeẓ, wrote a Ketāb al-taswīa bayn al-ʿArab wa’l-ʿAǰam. After these controversies had died down, and the Persians had achieved a position of power in the Islamic world comparable to their numbers and capabilities, "ʿAjam" became a simple ethnic and geographical designation.".[6] Thus by the 9th century, the term was being used by Persians themselves as an ethnic term, and examples can be given by Asadi Tusi in his poem comparing the superiority of Persians and Arabs.[7] Accordingly: "territorial notions of “Iran,” are reflected in such terms as irānšahr, irānzamin, or Fors, the arabicized form of Pārs/Fārs (Persia). The ethnic notion of “Iranian” is denoted by the Persian words Pārsi or Irāni, and the Arabic term ahl al-fors (inhabitants of Persia) or ʿAjam, referring to non-Arabs, but primarily to Persians as in molk-e ʿAjam (Persian kingdom) or moluk-e ʿAjam (Persian kings).".[8]

In the Persian Gulf region today, people usually refer to Persian as Ajami as they refer to Persian carpet (Ajami carpet or sajjad al Ajami), Persian cat (Ajami cat), and Persian emperors (Ajami kings)..[9] The Persian community in Bahrain calls itself Ajami.

It is so pleasant to read , since I am an Arab from Tahirid dynasty to idrissid and aghlabid Dynasties all related to Our prophet PBUH.

Nice writing to you.

 

[manofwar]

This thread is officially
people have made the original topic into a persians vs arabs thread....

 

[The SC]

No ,it is because I have never heard a Persian name like "Abu Ali al-Hussain Ibn Abdallah Ibn Sina "

Avicenna wrote 99 books, almost all in Arabic, the language of religious and scientific expression in the entire Muslim world at that time

Philosophers : Ibn Sina (Avicenna)

The arabs called the Iranian people the Fors :
According to The Political Language of Islam, during the Islamic period, Ajam was originally used as a reference to denote those whom Arabs in the Arabian peninsula viewed as "alien" or outsiders.[4] The early application of the term included all of the peoples with whom the Arabs had contact including Persians, Byzantine Greeks, Ethiopians, and the somewhat related Nabataeans. Over time the term because specialized and referred to Persians almost exclusively as an ethnic term, but varied in its usage from place to place as the early Muslim conquests led to a much wider of Arabic-speakers. However, the original meaning still exists, and in much of the non-Arabic speaking Muslim world the term does not have a pejorative meaning as the word is understood to mean anyone who does not speak Arabic. In recent literature the usage of the term is not used to any ethnic group, but instead may have evolved from the original Arabic usage for outsiders in general.

According to Clifford Edmund Bosworth, "by the 3rd/9th century, the non-Arabs, and above all the Persians, were asserting their social and cultural equality (taswīa) with the Arabs, if not their superiority (tafżīl) over them (a process seen in the literary movement of the Šoʿūbīya). In any case, there was always in some minds a current of admiration for the ʿAǰam as heirs of an ancient, cultured tradition of life. Even the great proponent of the Arab cause, Jāḥeẓ, wrote a Ketāb al-taswīa bayn al-ʿArab wa’l-ʿAǰam. After these controversies had died down, and the Persians had achieved a position of power in the Islamic world comparable to their numbers and capabilities, "ʿAjam" became a simple ethnic and geographical designation.".[6] Thus by the 9th century, the term was being used by Persians themselves as an ethnic term, and examples can be given by Asadi Tusi in his poem comparing the superiority of Persians and Arabs.[7] Accordingly: "territorial notions of “Iran,” are reflected in such terms as irānšahr, irānzamin, or Fors, the arabicized form of Pārs/Fārs (Persia). The ethnic notion of “Iranian” is denoted by the Persian words Pārsi or Irāni, and the Arabic term ahl al-fors (inhabitants of Persia) or ʿAjam, referring to non-Arabs, but primarily to Persians as in molk-e ʿAjam (Persian kingdom) or moluk-e ʿAjam (Persian kings).".[8]

In the Persian Gulf region today, people usually refer to Persian as Ajami as they refer to Persian carpet (Ajami carpet or sajjad al Ajami), Persian cat (Ajami cat), and Persian emperors (Ajami kings)..[9] The Persian community in Bahrain calls itself Ajami.

It is so pleasant to read , since I am an Arab from Tahirid dynasty to idrissid and aghlabid Dynasties all related to Our prophet PBUH.

Nice writing to you.