Stronger Pakistan means Stable India

[Tipu7]

Strong conventional strength means less chances of Nuclear war

I am among those people who also want conventional muscles to be more strong compared to nuclear arm.
But ''Stable'' Pakistan will increase its conventional power with more budget thanks to strong economy. Shifting the power balance in region in its favor. It will force India to spend more money on defense spending to keep the Margin intact and Pakistan will also spend more to resources to reduce it as mush as possible............... meaning an Arms Race.........

So isn't a country with distorted military with low purchasing power thanks to crippled economy will benefit Indian interests in more straight way?

 

[Osiris]

It is matter of great concern, that india is trying to control the foreign policy of independent states like US. At the same time it is dangerous for the stability of entire region. Indian lobbies continuously opposed sale of F-16s to Pakistan and they are worried that why US is selling F-16s to the country in a troubled relationship with india. However they failed to understand that how development of conventional capabilities of Pakistan is infact blessing for india as well?

Strong conventional war fighting capabilities of Pakistan and stable Pakistan is good for the stability of entire region. Peace is directly proportional with the stability and stability depends upon capacities and capabilities. Development of conventional war fighting capability and Nuclear threshold is interdependent on each other. Development of conventional strength of Pakistan will increse the nuclear threshold. Good for the india. I don't know why indian leaders can't understand that improvement in conventional capabilities of Pakistan is blessing for them.

Pakistan is facing multidimensional threats of terrorism from inside and outside its boundaries. In past few years 60,000 people sacrificed thier lives in Pakistan to build progressive and stable neighbour for India. To our surprise there are many confirm and unconfirmed reports about direct involvement of so called neighbour in this bloodshed. Now they are trying to resist capacity building of Pakistan against non state actors. Afterall no one wants to see dying thier assets with greater precision and it is thier last effort to save TTP from the precision strike capability of new F-16s

Actually that ain't true, when ever Pakistan begins to believe, it is in relatively stronger position compared to its past.
Pakistani army starts indulging in adventurism.

Look at the history.

In 60s with American aid and weapons flowing in, with Pakistani economy on the roll, Pakistan begins to believe it can defeat India and seize Kashmir by force and ends up initiating 1965 war.

End of 80s with defeat of 1971 a thing of the past, Pakistani western borders secure after Soviet exodus from Afghanistan. Pakistani army initiates its own brand of "jihad' in Kashmir.

Forward a decade into the future, Pakistani jihad in Kashmir is not bringing about any concrete results and Pakistan has just conducted successful nuclear tests. Pakistani army begins to believe it is invincible and can risk an all out war with India and initiates Kargil war.

The only way to dissuade Pakistan army from its adventurism(because clearly people of Pakistan have no control over its army) to keep Pakistan in a state of turmoil.

Not so big, that Pakistani state will fail and instability will spill over into India , but not so small either, that Pakistani army becomes unoccupied and starts planning a new adventures against India.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

And no matter how many guns india buys it cant buys the needed pair of balls and will resort to just hot air flying from its ministers, as it wasn't Pakistan but india that threatened war both in 2002 and 2008 then chickened out.So tell me what good is your greater conventional strength if you cant use it?


The only kill your Su 30 mki ever had was a ballon from Pakistan while F-16 the fighting falcon dont needs any introduction

This kind of lame thinking makes key contribution to our foreign policy. I don't remember any instance of not using f 16 to screw you. Once we even got you soybean after making you pay for falcons.

 

[CHD]

Actually that ain't true, when ever Pakistan begins to believe, it is in relatively stronger position compared to its past.
Pakistani army starts indulging in adventurism.

Look at the history.

In 60s with American aid and weapons flowing in, with Pakistani economy on the roll, Pakistan begins to believe it can defeat India and seize Kashmir by force and ends up initiating 1965 war.

End of 80s with defeat of 1971 a thing of the past, Pakistani western borders secure after Soviet exodus from Afghanistan. Pakistani army initiates its own brand of "jihad' in Kashmir.

Forward a decade into the future, Pakistani jihad in Kashmir is not bringing about any concrete results and Pakistan has just conducted successful nuclear tests. Pakistani army begins to believe it is invincible and can risk an all out war with India and initiates Kargil war.

The only way to dissuade Pakistan army from its adventurism(because clearly people of Pakistan have no control over its army) to keep Pakistan in a state of turmoil.

Not so big, that Pakistani state will fail and instability will spill over into India , but not so small either, that Pakistani army becomes unoccupied and starts planning a new adventures against India.

Its good that you want this for Pakistan so will not hate Pakistan after its starts to return the favour inside india with its large population and area with lots of oppresed people to use.The deal between afghan taliban and Governnemt is very near with blessing from US and China and then you better get ready for whats coming.

 

[JohnyD]

Pakistan will never get stronger if they don't give up supporting any form of act of terrorism within and outside Pak...they cant afford to call good terrorist and bad terrorist any more..terrorists are just terrorist and it has brought very bad name and fame to Pakistan which is obviously a reason why Pak cant become a strong nation! ..

To become a strong nation - you need great pool of educated people, good healthcare system, good infrastructure, stable government and appropriate ambiance to promote entrepreneurship and foreign investments!

 

[Osiris]

Its good that you want this for Pakistan so will not hate Pakistan after its starts to return the favour inside india with its large population and area with lots of oppresed people to use.The deal between afghan taliban and Governnemt is very near with blessing from US and China and then you better get ready for whats coming.

Pakistan is already doing, what it can for decades. But for scores of Pakistani adventures against India, not a single one has succeeded.

 

[Finer]

It will be opposite. Both Pakistan and India are not that different. In the past, Pakistan tried to wrestle with its strong economy to undermine India, and now the situation is reverse. Stable Pakistan means bad news for India and vice versa. That's why there cannot be two nations in the same subcontinent fighting each other for the same goal.

Pakistan attacked India in 1965 because it was perfect opportunity for Pakistan to cash on, as being in strong economical position, to take on big struggling nation. India was lucky that Pakistan plan backfired. Similarity, the same big struggling nation that is now one of emerging economical nation with its plans to wrestle on Pakistan, a weak and struggling nation, is also backfiring big time.

Time and time once again show you that being strong economy with its influential position is not guaranteed to succeed with its goals, not while at the expense at the spirit that can never be underestimated nor can be studied either.

 

[rockstar08]

we will conquer India with the Army of Legions of Orcs
the Orcs of Gundabad
and Indians does not even have a Thorin

 

[45'22']

It is matter of great concern, that india is trying to control the foreign policy of independent states like US. At the same time it is dangerous for the stability of entire region. Indian lobbies continuously opposed sale of F-16s to Pakistan and they are worried that why US is selling F-16s to the country in a troubled relationship with india. However they failed to understand that how development of conventional capabilities of Pakistan is infact blessing for india as well?

Strong conventional war fighting capabilities of Pakistan and stable Pakistan is good for the stability of entire region. Peace is directly proportional with the stability and stability depends upon capacities and capabilities. Development of conventional war fighting capability and Nuclear threshold is interdependent on each other. Development of conventional strength of Pakistan will increse the nuclear threshold. Good for the india. I don't know why indian leaders can't understand that improvement in conventional capabilities of Pakistan is blessing for them.

Pakistan is facing multidimensional threats of terrorism from inside and outside its boundaries. In past few years 60,000 people sacrificed thier lives in Pakistan to build progressive and stable neighbour for India. To our surprise there are many confirm and unconfirmed reports about direct involvement of so called neighbour in this bloodshed. Now they are trying to resist capacity building of Pakistan against non state actors. Afterall no one wants to see dying thier assets with greater precision and it is thier last effort to save TTP from the precision strike capability of new F-16s

With each passing day the gap between the conventional capability of our armed forces is increasing and Pak's nuclear threshold is decreasing
You cant keep the minimum credible deterence for ever and you know it
Whats is the need of the hour is Pak's change in foreign policies......
Pak establishment knows kashmir is a dead case but it is still betting on it for the vote bank and to keep the issue alive it infuses proxies into India
If Pak changes its stance on terrorists both good and bad....then it will become stable which i believe will make the subcontinent stable and stronger


Coming to the TTP issue..whom are you kidding??
you dont need more f16s for terrorists neither do you need the a2a missiles which USA gives you....
If you think India backs them....then Nawaz should propose a tie up between our forces to hit them....i am pretty sure IAF will love to do some surgical strikes with PAF to kill those MoFos

we will conquer India with the Army of Legions of Orcs
the Orcs of Gundabad
and Indians does not even have a Thorin

Azog you know Orcs can never beat the elves

 

[rockstar08]

Azog you know Orcs can never beat the elves

sorry Indians are too dark to be Elves .. ( no offense ) hahaha
imagine Tamil Elves , Aiyooooooo Pora rumo nalla nalla Elves

 

[waz]

Why would pak need F 16 to fight terrorist?

The same reason why the French use the Rafale in Africa, why the Americans use F-18's in Iraq and Syria, and the same reason why the Russians use Sukhois in Syria.

 

[Scavenger]

Grow up and think bigger and broader.
Now regarding point scoring.
Modi comes into Government and announces that we will isolate Pakistan and will only talk on terrorism and not kashmir, two years after this india not Pakistan annuonces that we are gonna resume dialogue with Pakistan including kashmir and after a month modi after coming to his senses comes to Pakistan without a proper formal invitation and arrives in Pakistan.

So the points table position now is Pakistan 1 India 0

You're probably young. Which is why you think that what a leader says is important. It is not words but actions that determine a nation's true wish.

Nations - Great nations or nations that aspire to become one of the great nations often play with words. They are hypocritical. They will often say things and act in the opposite way that make the opponent go in a particular direction and/ or feel comfortable in 'victories'.

The true goal however for such a nation is elsewhere.

In our case - the ultimate goal of India is to ensure that the difference of CNP (Comprehensive national power) between India and Pakistan continues to widen. Like it has been widening since early 2000's.

If you are so young or naive, as to chart points like Pakistan 1 or India 0, then my friend your country will not be in any position to even talk back to India after 2 decades if the direction of the two countries remains like it is now.

 

[45'22']

The same reason why the French use the Rafale in Africa, why the Americans use F-18's in Iraq and Syria, and the same reason why the Russians use Sukhois in Syria.

I guess he meant why you need more F16s lol

sorry Indians are too dark to be Elves .. ( no offense ) hahaha
imagine Tamil Elves , Aiyooooooo Pora rumo nalla nalla Elves

Now you are generalising

For you peeps...we will send our Pahari elves from Uttarakhand and Gorkha elves for NE

 

[waz]

Pakistanis r not fit to rule,,,hence someone else has to do it for thm,,look at history,,today its China,,tomorrow someone else,,maybe in future us again

Like your avatar says, I'll sedate future stupid posts of yours.

 

[rockstar08]

Now you are generalising

For you peeps...we will send our Pahari elves from Uttarakhand and Gorkha elves for NE

dude we have Pashtoon Wizards , you don't want to take lonely mountain from us .. Smaug aka Talibragon are living that mountains ..