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Stealth drone was brought down over Iran by China!!!

Iran is very lucky it has such a powerful and generous patron like China. If China and Iran are already working so closely on RQ-170, we can bet that Iran is even more eager for China's SAM technology!

Not really, we were determined enough to stand against Iraq when both the western block and the eastern bloc were against us. You probably don't know, but in 1980's, China was under the influence of the Soviet Union and the Soviets had strong partnership with Saddam. Although North Korea acted as a proxy between Iran and the eastern bloc but the communists were definitely behind Iraq, not Iran. We'll continue the current path we're going with or without China. And no, Thanks, we're not eager for China's Sam technology because we know that China isn't going to give us the technology and also we've already rejected China's HQ-9 offer.

Does anybody seriously believe Iran could take down and capture the RQ-170 drone without help from China or Russia?

I do. Pentagon has already ranked Iran as having one of the TOP5 strongest cyber armies in 2006.
 
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Does anybody seriously believe Iran could take down and capture the RQ-170 drone without help from China or Russia?

Boy, you are insulting Iranians big time :lol:

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Now who is saying all this-DEBKA?? :lol:

BTW, when is super-power China gonna attack Outer Transylvania, Mr. Hong who?

:rofl:

They are in queue they need to pick a number, probably after India, Veitnam, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, US, Israel, Russia, Aliens from Mars...:cheesy:
 
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Not really, we were determined enough to stand against Iraq when both the western block and the eastern bloc were against us. You probably don't know, but in 1980's, China was under the influence of the Soviet Union and the Soviets had strong partnership with Saddam. Although North Korea acted as a proxy between Iran and the eastern bloc but the communists were definitely behind Iraq, not Iran. We'll continue the current path we're going with or without China. And no, Thanks, we're not eager for China's Sam technology because we know that China isn't going to give us the technology and also we've already rejected China's HQ-9 offer.
You know I'm gonna call you out on this one. Post your evidence that Iran has ever rejected China's HQ-9 offer!

What an ordinary citizen like you says on PDF is one thing, but what the Iranian government does is another. The fact is many of Iran's weapons are copies (licensed?) of Chinese weapons. Iran's indigenized technology is very much based on China's foundations.

About the 80's Iran war -- Iran was on the side of the Soviets and Iraq was on the side of USA. Iran could have won after Saddam's initial push failed, but Iran blundered badly near the end when Saddam deployed gas, and stalemate was the result.
 
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You know I'm gonna call you out on this one. Post your evidence that Iran has ever rejected China's HQ-9 offer!
I'm still looking for it but It's a 2 year old news. It's not so easy to find something that has been said 2 years ago on archives but I'm still searching for it.

What an ordinary citizen like you says on PDF is one thing, but what the Iranian government does is another. The fact is many of Iran's weapons are copies (licensed?) of Chinese weapons. Iran's indigenized technology is very much based on China's foundations.
What Debka says is one thing and what the Iranian government does is another.
I'd challenge you on the second paragraph. Only some Iranian anti-ship missiles are copies of Chinese products. Our ballistic missile program is based on Soviet technology and Scud missiles, it never had anything to do with China until recently, even now it's only assumptions that China is helping Iran expand its ballistic missiles, no evidence exists to support it. Our Air force is ancient but all of our indigenous products in that field are based on American technology. Our weapons are mostly based on American and Russian technology and sometimes British and German technology, few ones are really based on Chinese technology. We have never had Chinese tanks, Chinese jet fighters or Chinese frigates or corvettes. Before late 1990's, there was no strong partnership between Iran and China like now.

About the 80's Iran war -- Iran was on the side of the Soviets and Iraq was on the side of USA. Iran could have won after Saddam's initial push failed, but Iran blundered badly near the end when Saddam deployed gas, and stalemate was the result.

lol. This part shows how much you know about history of the war. the Soviets were completely on the side of Iraq until the last years. The Americans and Israelis sold us more weapons than the soviets. Before the revolution, Iraq had two major supporters. France and the soviet union. After the war, America too supported Iraq to contain the Iranian revolution. Go read history first.
 
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HongWu said:
Now that China is a military superpower it's time to punish our enemies brutally one by one just like all great empires. Who is up first -- india? Vietnam?
China copy US UAV downed in VietNam, that why China knew how to bring it down, that's all, nothing special
Five BQM-34-53 Extended Range Firebees were also used to lay chaff corridors during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The drones were modernized by Northrop Grumman in a fast-response program earlier in the year, being fitted with chaff dispensers and other improvements. They had GPS-based programmable waypoint guidance systems, but it is unclear if they were added by the upgrade program. They were delivered for service in charcoal-black colors.

There was only one DC-130 drone launcher aircraft left in the US military's inventory at the time, and since it was grounded due to a malfunction, two Firebees were ground-launched on the first night of the operation. The other three were air-launched by the DC-130 on the second night of the operation. They flew until they ran out of fuel and crashed. Iraqi TV took footage of the wrecks and broadcast it, saying they were wrecks of piloted aircraft.

[edit]WZ-5 UAV
The People's Republic of China is known to have recovered US AQM-34N Firebee units during the Vietnam War era, and reverse engineered it. The Chinese version is known as Wu Zhen 5 (WZ-5), or Chang Hong 1 (export name). [1] The WZ-5 entered service in 1981 and is expected to be replaced by newer UAVs in the near future. WZ-5 prototypes were launched from a modified PLAAF Tupolev Tu-4 bomber, later modified Y-8 transporters took over the task of launching WZ-5s, which is similar approach as USAF. WZ-5 has a WP-11 turbojet engine. Specs of this engine are close to J85-100. One WZ-5 displayed in China Aviation Museum, Beijing was painted with a few small-size Vietnamese national flag, so it was widely speculated that this particular WZ-5 was sent to Vietnam to carry out missions during 1979 conflict. [2]
Ryan Firebee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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DEBKA-Net-Weekly #527 February 3, 2012

After establishing the cause of the crash of the unmanned American spy drone, the stealth RQ-170, over Iran on Dec. 4, 2011, the US is continuing to use that type of UAV, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz said on Jan. 13. Without disclosing the results of the investigation, he said, ”The key thing is that it’s an ISR system that we use to provide capabilities to the combatant commanders and we’ll continue to do so.”

US officials reject Iran’s claim that it brought down the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel but remain tight-lipped about what caused the crash.

Both American sources, while insisting that the RQ-170 was still in commission, never said it was again flying over Iran.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military and intelligence sources offer three disclosures to explain the publicity strategy pursued by US officials:

1. The Americans know Iran did not bring the RQ-170 down because their intelligence agencies discovered the culprits were a Chinese cyber warfare team which seized control of the drone; Iran was given the passive role of being told where and when to hold out their arms to catch it.

The Obama administration is keeping this information to itself so as not to compromise US economic relations with China, especially in a presidential election year.

- Republican contenders would seize on this information as valuable campaign ammunition against President Barack Obama. They already accuse him of being soft on North Korea and he cannot afford to have US inaction against China added to their campaign fodder.

American needs to keep China on its side

- The US is casting about for levers to bring Beijing aboard the oil embargo on Iran. Wednesday, Feb. 1, German Chancellor Angela Merkel traveled to China at Obama’s request to try her hand at persuading Beijing to at least reduce its crude purchases from Tehran, if not join the embargo. Getting into a row with China over the stealth drone would not help persuade its leaders to cooperate in sanctions against Iran but might risk bringing US-Chinese relations to an unprecedented low.

- Washington needs Beijing’s cooperation in the global financial crisis and even more, to shore up the dollar’s value as an international currency. China holds a large part of its reserves in US government bonds and dollars. A diplomatic falling-out between Washington and Beijing might well spur the Chinese to turn away from the dollar, as Moscow, Tehran and New Delhi are in the process of doing. They have indicated their willingness to take this course on past occasions.

2. US intelligence has not discovered whether the Chinese cyber warfare team is still in Iran or has gone, leaving behind instructors and high-tech equipment for Tehran to counter US drones and planes on its own. Another RQ-170 flight over Iran might provide some answers, but President Obama is flatly against this. If Iran – and China – were to get hold of a second advanced American UAV, he would have no option but to hit back at the Islamic Republic – or even at Chinese targets in Iran.

US aerial reconnaissance over Iran abandoned

3. The result of this standoff and its complications is that the United States has no aerial vehicles on surveillance missions over the Iranian interior, excepting only spy satellites.

The US Navy’s customized RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs (BRAMS-Broad Area Maritime Surveillance), after two years of tests, now monitors sea traffic off the Iranian coast and the Strait of Hormuz, circling at 22,500 meters (70,000 feet) over a Persian Gulf carrier task force.

Anything suspicious is checked out by the carrier, land-based aircraft, or warships in the vicinity. The BAMS craft fly 24-hour sorties every three days, but do not venture deep into Iranian airspace.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources report that Israel, which received sensitive intelligence input on Iran from US drones, is now stuck for a comparable source, just when it is gearing up for a possible strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Soon after RQ-170 flights were stopped over Iran, Israel began adapting the Heron TP, its largest drone which was designated for strike sorties against Iran, for surveillance missions over that country. On Dec. 29, the Heron crashed near the Tel Nof Air Force base south of Tel Aviv on a test flight conducted jointly by Israel Aerospace Industries and the Israeli Air Force. IAF commander Maj. Gen. Ido Nechushtan said the Heron had been testing new technology. He didn’t elaborate.

But our military sources disclose that it was experimenting with a new gadget installed in its left wing for evading Chinese or Iranian cyber attacks like the one that downed the American RQ-170.

For now, Israel has halted those tests.


Now that China is a military superpower it's time to punish our enemies brutally one by one just like all great empires. Who is up first -- india? Vietnam?

What a thokalo article..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Fools dream to punish India)
 
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Does anybody seriously believe Iran could take down and capture the RQ-170 drone without help from China or Russia?
Yes everyone believes that.
Last time China tried to capture an American surveillance plane,it lost one of it's pilots in 2001.
and a question:how can't China help Pakistan capture or shot down one of hundreds US drones that fly in Pakistan air space every month?Considering that China has better relations with Pakistan than Iran?
 
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DEBKA-Net-Weekly #527 February 3, 2012

After establishing the cause of the crash of the unmanned American spy drone, the stealth RQ-170, over Iran on Dec. 4, 2011, the US is continuing to use that type of UAV, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz said on Jan. 13. Without disclosing the results of the investigation, he said, ”The key thing is that it’s an ISR system that we use to provide capabilities to the combatant commanders and we’ll continue to do so.”

US officials reject Iran’s claim that it brought down the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel but remain tight-lipped about what caused the crash.

Both American sources, while insisting that the RQ-170 was still in commission, never said it was again flying over Iran.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military and intelligence sources offer three disclosures to explain the publicity strategy pursued by US officials:

1. The Americans know Iran did not bring the RQ-170 down because their intelligence agencies discovered the culprits were a Chinese cyber warfare team which seized control of the drone; Iran was given the passive role of being told where and when to hold out their arms to catch it.

The Obama administration is keeping this information to itself so as not to compromise US economic relations with China, especially in a presidential election year.

- Republican contenders would seize on this information as valuable campaign ammunition against President Barack Obama. They already accuse him of being soft on North Korea and he cannot afford to have US inaction against China added to their campaign fodder.

American needs to keep China on its side

- The US is casting about for levers to bring Beijing aboard the oil embargo on Iran. Wednesday, Feb. 1, German Chancellor Angela Merkel traveled to China at Obama’s request to try her hand at persuading Beijing to at least reduce its crude purchases from Tehran, if not join the embargo. Getting into a row with China over the stealth drone would not help persuade its leaders to cooperate in sanctions against Iran but might risk bringing US-Chinese relations to an unprecedented low.

- Washington needs Beijing’s cooperation in the global financial crisis and even more, to shore up the dollar’s value as an international currency. China holds a large part of its reserves in US government bonds and dollars. A diplomatic falling-out between Washington and Beijing might well spur the Chinese to turn away from the dollar, as Moscow, Tehran and New Delhi are in the process of doing. They have indicated their willingness to take this course on past occasions.

2. US intelligence has not discovered whether the Chinese cyber warfare team is still in Iran or has gone, leaving behind instructors and high-tech equipment for Tehran to counter US drones and planes on its own. Another RQ-170 flight over Iran might provide some answers, but President Obama is flatly against this. If Iran – and China – were to get hold of a second advanced American UAV, he would have no option but to hit back at the Islamic Republic – or even at Chinese targets in Iran.

US aerial reconnaissance over Iran abandoned

3. The result of this standoff and its complications is that the United States has no aerial vehicles on surveillance missions over the Iranian interior, excepting only spy satellites.

The US Navy’s customized RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs (BRAMS-Broad Area Maritime Surveillance), after two years of tests, now monitors sea traffic off the Iranian coast and the Strait of Hormuz, circling at 22,500 meters (70,000 feet) over a Persian Gulf carrier task force.

Anything suspicious is checked out by the carrier, land-based aircraft, or warships in the vicinity. The BAMS craft fly 24-hour sorties every three days, but do not venture deep into Iranian airspace.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources report that Israel, which received sensitive intelligence input on Iran from US drones, is now stuck for a comparable source, just when it is gearing up for a possible strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Soon after RQ-170 flights were stopped over Iran, Israel began adapting the Heron TP, its largest drone which was designated for strike sorties against Iran, for surveillance missions over that country. On Dec. 29, the Heron crashed near the Tel Nof Air Force base south of Tel Aviv on a test flight conducted jointly by Israel Aerospace Industries and the Israeli Air Force. IAF commander Maj. Gen. Ido Nechushtan said the Heron had been testing new technology. He didn’t elaborate.

But our military sources disclose that it was experimenting with a new gadget installed in its left wing for evading Chinese or Iranian cyber attacks like the one that downed the American RQ-170.

For now, Israel has halted those tests.


Now that China is a military superpower it's time to punish our enemies brutally one by one just like all great empires. Who is up first -- india? Vietnam?

Lesson learn: Never trust whatever you read, always verify.
 
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On what ground would anyone think that Iran brought down the UAV, it is science fiction, most probably UAV suffered from malfunction.
 
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On what ground would anyone think that Iran brought down the UAV, it is science fiction, most probably UAV suffered from malfunction.

we will show you science fiction baby ... :lol:
 
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