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Stalin killed Netaji, Subramanian Swamy says

Nehru was the first PM of India and did a relatively good job of it. Stop conjuring stupid conspiracy theories to satisfy your morbid fantasies.
you should get your senses right...stop believing everything blindly....you are not sheep...god gave us larger cerebral cortex try to use it better the next you post.

People come up with all kind weird conspiracies just to discredit Nehru. India didn't have a cordial relation with USSR at first, just as Pakistan didn't have with communist China initially. It started to lean towards USSR after 60s.

I don't understand this widespread hatred towards Nehru and making him scapegoat for all ills of India. He does have his share of blunders but none can deny he was just as patriotic towards his country as his contemporaries like Bose or Patel was. Nehru spent many years in jail, mostly in solitary prison and wrote one of the finest book I have ever read while in jail - The Discovery of India.

Being a Bengali, I naturally have a soft corner for Bose and used to consider Gandhi and Nehru as villain when I was kid because of their opposition to Bose. However I do understand now that Nehru was a better choice than Bose as a prime minister, he was certainly more democracy leaning than Bose.

Among the three, Gandhi was most ruthless and always had the last say by mostly blackmailing. However one has to give him credit for making the freedom struggle which was mostly limited to elite circles of Calcutta and Bombay, a nationwide momentum.

By the way, I have been hearing this theory since I was a kid. Along with the one about Gumnami Baba whom many consider to be Netaji in disguise.
every body who fought for freedom is a patriot...but he is not fit be a prime minister...he is just power hungry greedy control freak!
 
Gandhi's national security doctrine and his (one of the) differences with Netaji;
Nehru tried to follow the Gandhian doctrine in the initial years till 1962 happened:


"India's defence lies in the cultivation of friendly relations with her neighbours and her ability to resist, through nonviolent non-co-operation, her exploitation by any nation. The first act of a National Government should be to disband this menace (Indian Army)...."

-- Mahatma Gandhi in 1932.
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“Gandhism will land free India in a ditch – if free India is sought to be rebuilt on Gandhian, non-violent principles. India will then be offering a standing invitation to all predatory powers.”

-- Netaji Subhas Bose in 1940.
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“We had believed that in a non-violent India, the last thing the Government would contemplate would be an increase in the military budget, but I am sorry to say that and I still think it would disturb the soul of the Father of the Nation, that in the recent years there has been an increase.”

-- JB Kripalani, who had sided with Gandhi in his 1939 clash with Bose, speaking in Parliament in 1958.
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“ऐ मेरे वतन के लोगों ज़रा आँख में भर लो पानी, जो शहीद हुए हैं उनकी ज़रा याद करो क़ुरबानी”

-- A famous Bollywood song exhorting the people of India not to forget the sacrifices made by the Indian soldiers in the 1962 war.
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Picture: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Defence Minister AK Antony and MoS Jitendra Kumar along with Services' chiefs and others paying tributes to Mahatma Gandhi on his death anniversary at Rajghat on 30 January 2013.

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I am sure if Netaji would have been the first PM
then there wouldn't have been any Kashmir issue
nor the 1962 debacle.
 
I brought Bose because he was not just pushed to the wall, but simply toppled and dumped from the balcony so to speak. He was quite simply a nationalist. His authoritarianism could never be proved.

Netaji Bose believed in Socialist Communism, his political view leaned between Nationalist Socialism and Communism. He was an ardent supporter of Atartuk and believed India needed a style of governance like Turkey. British govt infact never allowed him to meet Atartuk.

He founded political party Forward Block, which to this day a coalition member of Left front and even more left than CPM is.

If Nehru was dreamy and secular liberal, Netaji was a hardcore atheist and would have ruled with an iron hand like that of Atartuk.

Maybe you should read up a bit about Netaji before idolizing him just because he was expelled from Congress. His ideology might not suite your political leaning.

Incorrect. I was not even born when Nehru ruled. All my opinions have been from books. Books that are written by stalwarts - ranging from Communists to Marxists to Congressis. Being a Kashmiri, I have sufficient soft spot for him as well. But that's where it ends. The folks who like him like him because of ONE and ONLY ONE reason. - He was 'secular'.

The bold part is like saying people who like Modi only likes him because he was allegedly involved in Gujrat Riot, makes no sense.

I'm sure you read books and your opinion formed from these, but how about sharing those ground shattering revelations which changed your mind about Nehru? Or even mentioning the books at least which can bestow us more profound knowledge on Nehru!

As for his economic policies, this is not the right thread, we had a discussion as @DRAY could point you out. I take it as a mixed bag. Okay for the time being. The Socialist model that is. Disastrous, even suicidal for the long run.
On the aspect of literacy, the IITs and institutes of higher learning were an initiative of Maulana Azad, and NOT Nehru. Besides, given his elitism, it is not an accident that he did not bother much about more mass literacy programs.
Whether he ***-ed Lady Mountbatten is something I am NOT interested in. If he did, good for him, I don't care. That's his personal life. I don't care about his bedroom/s but his PMO office, his Cabinet that remained almost a paper Cabinet for much of his rule. And his perennial ignorance and neglect of the Army and pathological hate for Hinduism could not be missed.

It is not Nehru's fault that his successor couldn't come up with a new economic policy and it took another Congress Govt and PV Narsima RAO to change the course of economy.

In fact it was a consensual decision to follow socialist model of economy and not only Russia but Japan and Germany were also held as examples.

Indians suffered two hundred years of colonization and were deeply wary of outside influence or economic colonization. In fact most industrial stalwarts wanted Govt innervation into Power, Mining, Transport, Water etc simply because they didn't have any capabilities to develop those sectors.

I find it hypocritical that you credit Moulana Azad for IIT/IIM but at the same time the fault goes to Nehru for lack of universal access to education. Shouldn't we be uniform at our approach to credit/discredit Nehru?

Anyway the fact is IIT was first proposed by Dr Humayun Kabir and Dr Bidhan C Roy, then CM of West Bengal(which reminds me - oh what depth have we fallen to !!). Dr Roy persuaded Nehru to enact a special Act to establish IIT which will give them autonomous status and make them free of Babudom.

IIM was established by Nehru based on the recommendation by Planning Commission, another Nehruvian legacy which recently presented in a shiny new pack.

But did Nehru's contribution ended only in IIT/IIM?

He set up NID.
India's space program was set up in his time.
He appointed Homi J. Bhaba as director of India's nuclear program and tasked him with the creation of atomic weapons.
He set up all those heavy industries, steel plants, dams in his time.
Heck, even DRDO was set up in his time and so was LIC, UTI and bunch of other things.

But off course those who like him only like him because he was "secular".

his Cabinet that remained almost a paper Cabinet for much of his rule

Oh right, lets just look at his first cabinet. Congress had an overwhelming strength and Nehru but Nehru chose at least five such ministers who went on to start major political parties, while he just could have made a "paper cabinet" with his sycophants!

BR Ambedkar established the Republican Party; Syama Prasad Mukherjee founded the Jan Sangh; Shanmukham Chetty, the Justice Party; C Rajagopalachari, the Swatantra Party; and Rafi A Kidwai, the Kisan Mazdoor Praja Party. These stalwarts, with firm and distinct ideologies, allowed for many Indias to speak to him.

The exhibition, “Nehru’s First Cabinet”, has panels for each minister (interestingly, there are two for Sardar Patel, the Deputy Home Minister until his death in 1950) with interesting vignettes, letters and facts. Their courtesy and forthrightness, some addressing him as ‘My Dear Jawaharlal’, is truly a blast from the past. A letter by CD Deshmukh, Finance Minister from 1950-56, firmly tells of how a steel plant Nehru is planning may not be feasible and he would have to “see” if it is possible at all. Labour Minister Jagjivan Ram in a speech advises “Capitalists” to shun ostentation and look after their workers. Maulana Azad in 1948 writes about the dismal state of schools and the need for uniform schooling in India.


source: Nehru’s First | The Indian Express

A simple Google search can clear so much ignorance in us! :)

pathological hate for Hinduism

Pathological hatred is too strong a word, lets be more judicial with our words. It's true Nehru was firm on not taking the path of Hindu Rastra, analogous to a country for Muslims which was the idea behind the creation of Pakistan. But he was proud of his origin always expressed that ever so eloquently.

"The unfolding of the human mind in the earliest stages of thought. And what a wonderful mind it was!." It is the first outpourings of the human mind, the glow of poetry, the rapture at nature's loveliness and mystery." A brooding spirit crept in gradually till the author of the Vedas cried out: 'O Faith, endow us with belief'. It raised deeper question in a hymn called the ' The Song of Creation'.

"The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the spiritual foundation of human existence. It is a call of action to meet the obligations and duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual nature and grander purpose of the universe."

"I am proud of this noble heritage which was and still is ours, and I am aware that I too, like all of us, am a link in that uninterrupted chain which finds its origin in the dawn of history, in India's immemorial past. It is in testimony of this and as a last homage to the cultural heritage of India that I request that a handful of my ashes be thrown in the Ganga at Allahabad (formerly known as Prayag) so that they may be borne to the vast ocean that bears on the shores of India."

" The statue of Nataraja (dance pose of Lord Shiva) is a well known example for the artistic, scientific and philosophical significance of Hinduism."

As far as conspiracy theory goes - it's juvenile to dismiss these as conspiracies as the papers are still classified and every theory is just a theory. I am highly disappointed by the partial declassification of the files. I hope the secrets are divulged soon. That should solve all the mysteries. I might still go and salute his numerous statues. Otherwise I will just ignore the bird-pooped neglected remnants of his legacy.

It's all right to speculate, but should not base his opinion of someone by mere speculation, which cries of intellectual dishonesty.
 
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There was no plane crash on 18th of August, 1945 in Taiwan's Taihoku (now Taipei) airport.

1. On 3rd of September, 1945 USA took control of Taiwan from Japan, and CIA report revealed that there was no plane crash in Taiwan in past six months, neither they found any hospital record of Netaji in any hospital. Both USA and British intelligence didn't believe that Netaji died in a plane crash.

2. Anuj Dhar, a journalist and writer who is researching on Netaji's disappearance for over a decade contacted Taiwanese authorities and got a reply that there was no plane crash, neither any record of any third degree burn victim in any hospital in Taiwan one week prior or after 18th August, 1945.

3. Later Justice Mukherjee of Mukherjee Commission went to Taiwan, and Taiwan government confirmed that there was no record of any air crash at Taihoku, the old name of Taipei, between August 14 and September 20, 1945.

4. American state department also sent information to the commission which corroborate the fact that no air crash took place in Taiwan during that time.

5. The request for intelligence papers from the Govt. of India elicited the official response that they cannot be opened as they are of a highly sensitive nature that may jeopardize international relations between India and some of its friendly nations.

6. This is what the Justice Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry into the alleged disappearance of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose concluded:

"On a conspectus of all the facts and circumstances relevant to the above issues it stands established that emplaning at Saigon on August 17, 1945 Netaji succeeded in evading the Allied Forces and escaping out of their reach and as a camouflage thereof the entire make-believe story of the air crash, Netaji’s death therein and his cremation was engineered by the Japanese army authorities including the two doctors and Habibur Rahman and then aired on August 23, 1945."

7. Justice Mukherjee Commission; created during the previous NDA government under PM Vajpayeeji, submitted its report to the next UPA government headed by PM Manmohan Singh on 8th November, 2005.

UPA government rejected the report without showing any reason whatsoever.


Link for Justice Mukherjee Commission report: COMMISSIONS / COMMITTEES |

Some other links:

Netaji didn't die in aircrash:Mukherjee commission

No crash at Taipei that killed Netaji: Taiwan government - The Times of India

No crash at Taipei that killed Netaji: Taiwan govt
 
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If Nehru was dreamy and secular liberal, Netaji was a hardcore atheist and would have ruled with an iron hand like that of Atartuk.

Maybe you should read up a bit about Netaji before idolizing him just because he was expelled from Congress. His ideology might not suite your political leaning.

1. But for Nehruvian secularism, there would not have been a need for Hindu nationalism. Read the community specific acts that came into being. In fact Muslim and Christian religious diktats were kept intact.

2. I guess it's 'suit'. Don't wish to sound pedantic though. I am not idolizing anyone. My political stance is irrelevant here.

The bold part is like saying people who like Modi only likes him because he was allegedly involved in Gujrat Riot, makes no sense.

I'm sure you read books and your opinion formed from these, but how about sharing those ground shattering revelations which changed your mind about Nehru? Or even mentioning the books at least which can bestow us more profound knowledge on Nehru!

This thread is not about Nehru. If you want to discuss Nehru in detail, I can, but please open another one. I will list the books in there, here it will be missed by most readers. Perhaps you can help by starting a thread with a suitable title. And yes, a little Google search can help.

Given your knowledge, you peddled an A class lie in there.Bose founded Forward Bloc. But they were not Communist in the beginning. They turned Commie after the war. The Forward Bloc we see today was established by Ruikar. The good folks even changed the flag and inserted, guess what ? A star and colored it red. :enjoy:

BR Ambedkar established the Republican Party; Syama Prasad Mukherjee founded the Jan Sangh; Shanmukham Chetty, the Justice Party; C Rajagopalachari, the Swatantra Party; and Rafi A Kidwai, the Kisan Mazdoor Praja Party.
His intolerance for dissent was well known. He was not a man of much strength though. That turned out good. He was not a despot like his daughter, that is true. Now let's see some important and yet startling facts -

BR Ambedkar - Died 1956
Cause of Death: Unknown.
Government doesn't know that how Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar died, सरकार को नहीं पता कि अंबेडकर की मौत नैचुरल थी या फिर हत्‍या | सरकार को नहीं पता कि अंबेडकर की मौत नैचुरल थी या फिर हत्‍या - Hindi Oneindia

Syama Prasad Mukherjee - Died 1953
Cause of Death: Officially stroke, after being injected/poisoned with penicillin.

Shanmukham Chetty - Died 1953
Cause of Death - Died at age 60 after surviving a heart attack.

Rafi A Kidwai - Died 1954
Cause of Death - Suddenly died following heart attack while delivering a speech. Survived the attack but died soon afterwards.

C Rajagopalachari - ONLY person among the close circle to survive till 1972.

Several books exist that can help you in the direction. Start a new thread, or ping me in Whatever, I will be happy to educate you. :)

Bottomline: If you quote me about Nehru on this thread, I will NOT respond. Sorry, can't get reported unnecessarily. :P In any case you want to pray/salute/admire/stay neutral about Nehru, sure pls go ahead. I am fine with that. :tup: I got different role models.
 
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1. But for Nehruvian secularism, there would not have been a need for Hindu nationalism. Read the community specific acts that came into being. In fact Muslim and Christian religious diktats were kept intact.

2. I guess it's 'suit'. Don't wish to sound pedantic though. I am not idolizing anyone. My political stance is irrelevant here.

Ah, but wasn't the ban on RSS revoked during Nehru's time? So he did tolerate Hindu nationalism, did he not?


Good catch there, guess I hve too be more careful replyinng you now on! ;)


This thread is not about Nehru. If you want to discuss Nehru in detail, I can, but please open another one. I will list the books in there, here it will be missed by most readers. Perhaps you can help by starting a thread with a suitable title. And yes, a little Google search can help.

Yes, and we have been discussing Nehru since, let me guess, 2nd post?

Anyway I'll probably open a thread, it'll be fun to bust some myths regarding Nehru.

Given your knowledge, you peddled an A class lie in there.Bose founded Forward Bloc. But they were not Communist in the beginning. They turned Commie after the war. The Forward Bloc we see today was established by Ruikar. The good folks even changed the flag and inserted, guess what ? A star and colored it red. :enjoy:

Eh? Forward Block was created for left leaning persons in Congress, Netaji himself believed in socialism. Forward Bloc declared itself as socialist party in its first All India Conference in 1940. There's no star in Forward Bloc flag by the way.

His intolerance for dissent was well known. He was not a man of much strength though. That turned out good. He was not a despot like his daughter, that is true. Now let's see some important and yet startling facts -

Well know by whom? If this was wikipedia there would have been a question mark with citation needed right there. :P

BR Ambedkar - Died 1956
Cause of Death: Unknown.
Government doesn't know that how Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar died, सरकार को नहीं पता कि अंबेडकर की मौत नैचुरल थी या फिर हत्‍या | सरकार को नहीं पता कि अंबेडकर की मौत नैचुरल थी या फिर हत्‍या - Hindi Oneindia

Syama Prasad Mukherjee - Died 1953
Cause of Death: Officially stroke, after being injected/poisoned with penicillin.

Shanmukham Chetty - Died 1953
Cause of Death - Died at age 60 after surviving a heart attack.

Rafi A Kidwai - Died 1954
Cause of Death - Suddenly died following heart attack while delivering a speech. Survived the attack but died soon afterwards.

C Rajagopalachari - ONLY person among the close circle to survive till 1972.

Several books exist that can help you in the direction. Start a new thread, or ping me in Whatever, I will be happy to educate you. :)

Ok I fail to comprehend the interesting fact here! Is it Nehru's fault that he outlived these gentlemen or was Nehru somehow caused their death?

Oh my poor brain, seriously in need of an education! :(
Bottomline: If you quote me about Nehru on this thread, I will NOT respond. Sorry, can't get reported unnecessarily. :P In any case you want to pray/salute/admire/stay neutral about Nehru, sure pls go ahead. I am fine with that. :tup: I got different role models.

That's cool man its your prerogative.
 

Netaji will always remain in memories of those who admire him for his patriotism .

I did not delete the thread . If that's what you are pointing at .

I will read the posts and reply .

thanks for tagging me .
 
Netaji will always remain in memories of those who admire him for his patriotism .

I did not delete the thread . If that's what you are pointing at .

I will read the posts and reply .

thanks for tagging me .

Just to save your time, all the links mention about the incident that levina posted. However, the links are good read.
 
Just to save your time, all the links mention about the incident that levina posted. However, the links are good read.

sorry I had gone for swimming ...

so because three internet pages which carry same story - word to owrd without any variation - likely copied from single source - without any citation , reference , quotation and source becomes an undeniable , inviolable absolute truth ?

The whole things looks absolutely untenable to me . Netaji who had gone for interview with Governor General ( which is the post equivalent to Head of state ) actually hooke his umbrella around neck of Governor General and Warned him to mind his own business .... The whole story isincredibly fantabulous .

In fact I can post a more detailed account of this story from another source ...You read it and decide for yourself

" He was educated in England, belonged to a very rich family of Bengal, was going to be one of the top bureaucrats. He was trained for the Indian civil service in Britain, as were all top bureaucrats, most of whom were English. Very rarely was an Indian chosen -- not more than one percent. Otherwise on some small excuse, Indians were rejected.
Shree Aurobindo was rejected and you will not believe on what grounds. He had come first in every subject, he was one of the geniuses of this century. Only in horse riding could he not succeed. But what has horse riding to do with being a top officer? This was a strategy: he was a scholar and he became world famous, but he was rejected.
Every method was tried to reject Indians. Subhash they could not manage to reject. All their strategies he managed to overcome, so very reluctantly Britain accepted Subhash for their ICS. One thing more remained, which was a formality: every ICS officer had to appear for a personal interview before the governor-general. It was just a formality once you had passed the examination. Subhash entered into the office of the governor-general.
Bengalis always carry an umbrella -- one never knows why. Whether it is raining or not, whether it is hot or not; it may be winter and there is no need; they may have to carry it by their side, but they will carry it. An umbrella is absolutely necessary for a Bengali. If you see anybody carrying an umbrella, you understand: he is a Bengali. Now, there is no need to carry an umbrella into the office of the viceroy; at least you should leave it outside. But Bengalis will not leave their umbrellas.
Subhash kept his hat on, and carried his umbrella into the office. And he took a chair. The governor-general was very angry. He said, "Young man, you don't understand manners. Who passed you in the examinations of the ICS?"
Subhash said, "What manners?"
The governor-general said, "You have not taken off your hat and you have not asked my permission to sit down." The governor-general was not aware what kind of man this was. Subhash immediately picked his umbrella up and hooked the governor-general's neck into it. They were alone in the office, so ....
And Subhash told the governor-general, "If you want manners, then you should learn manners also. You remained sitting. You should have stood first. I was a guest. You did not remove your hat. Why should I remove mine? You did not ask my permission to go on sitting, why should I ask your permission? Who are you, do you think? At the most you can reject me for the ICS, but I will not leave it in your hands. I don't want to join the service." And he went out of the office, leaving the governor-general almost in shock. He never dreamt anybody could do such a thing. ..."

source A World view on Netaji: Osho on Subhash Chandra Bose






I will not accept the internet links which have no single citation , reference to give to cross check the origin and veracity of this story .

do you really want to believe in the story because there are 3 or 4 internet links citing same thing ?

This is what bothers me ...people jump at the convenient stories which conform with their ideas and feelings which just help in reinforcing their biases . This is how rumors are spread , this is how riots happen , this is is how myth is created and perpetuated .

To admire Netaji and pay obeisance to him ...do we have to circulate such rubbish ?

why not remember the historical facts - such as his escape to Europe via Afghanistan ..his h journey to Germany ..his act of establishing azad hind radio and addressing nation ....( I still get goose flesh ...to imagine that )

People used to tune secretly to listen to Netaji's speeches ...despite British ban and dictat against it ...

His hazardous journey of tens of thousands of kilometer through submarine ...his act of raising Azah hind sena ...creating Rani Laximabi women regiment ....

His act of naming Andaman, Nicobar islands as Shahid and Swaraj

there are so many historically recorded mind boggling facts ....


why do we have to demean those achievements by singularly pointing out the stories which have no basis .


I tell you why people do that ...

People are always looking for something extraordinarily abnormal which will catch eyes and imagination of others .

most people are frail minded ...and they accept whatever is fed to them without rationally thinking or questioning .

This is why Internet is home to Never ending, Never Dying Fantastic Gossip and conspiracy theories ...


admiration is one thing and blind worship is another thing ....

I am strongly against people who peddle myth ...because after sometime it becomes inviolable truth .

We do not need myths to admire character of Netaji ...
 
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Gandhi's national security doctrine and his (one of the) differences with Netaji;
Nehru tried to follow the Gandhian doctrine in the initial years till 1962 happened:


"India's defence lies in the cultivation of friendly relations with her neighbours and her ability to resist, through nonviolent non-co-operation, her exploitation by any nation. The first act of a National Government should be to disband this menace (Indian Army)...."

-- Mahatma Gandhi in 1932.
Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.
- Niccoló Machiavelli
 
sorry I had gone for swimming ...

so because three internet pages which carry same story - word to owrd without any variation - likely copied from single source - without any citation , reference , quotation and source becomes an undeniable , inviolable absolute truth ?

The whole things looks absolutely untenable to me . Netaji who had gone for interview with Governor General ( which is the post equivalent to Head of state ) actually hooke his umbrella around neck of Governor General and Warned him to mind his own business .... The whole story isincredibly fantabulous .

In fact I can post a more detailed account of this story from another source ...You read it and decide for yourself

" He was educated in England, belonged to a very rich family of Bengal, was going to be one of the top bureaucrats. He was trained for the Indian civil service in Britain, as were all top bureaucrats, most of whom were English. Very rarely was an Indian chosen -- not more than one percent. Otherwise on some small excuse, Indians were rejected.
Shree Aurobindo was rejected and you will not believe on what grounds. He had come first in every subject, he was one of the geniuses of this century. Only in horse riding could he not succeed. But what has horse riding to do with being a top officer? This was a strategy: he was a scholar and he became world famous, but he was rejected.
Every method was tried to reject Indians. Subhash they could not manage to reject. All their strategies he managed to overcome, so very reluctantly Britain accepted Subhash for their ICS. One thing more remained, which was a formality: every ICS officer had to appear for a personal interview before the governor-general. It was just a formality once you had passed the examination. Subhash entered into the office of the governor-general.
Bengalis always carry an umbrella -- one never knows why. Whether it is raining or not, whether it is hot or not; it may be winter and there is no need; they may have to carry it by their side, but they will carry it. An umbrella is absolutely necessary for a Bengali. If you see anybody carrying an umbrella, you understand: he is a Bengali. Now, there is no need to carry an umbrella into the office of the viceroy; at least you should leave it outside. But Bengalis will not leave their umbrellas.
Subhash kept his hat on, and carried his umbrella into the office. And he took a chair. The governor-general was very angry. He said, "Young man, you don't understand manners. Who passed you in the examinations of the ICS?"
Subhash said, "What manners?"
The governor-general said, "You have not taken off your hat and you have not asked my permission to sit down." The governor-general was not aware what kind of man this was. Subhash immediately picked his umbrella up and hooked the governor-general's neck into it. They were alone in the office, so ....
And Subhash told the governor-general, "If you want manners, then you should learn manners also. You remained sitting. You should have stood first. I was a guest. You did not remove your hat. Why should I remove mine? You did not ask my permission to go on sitting, why should I ask your permission? Who are you, do you think? At the most you can reject me for the ICS, but I will not leave it in your hands. I don't want to join the service." And he went out of the office, leaving the governor-general almost in shock. He never dreamt anybody could do such a thing. ..."

source A World view on Netaji: Osho on Subhash Chandra Bose






I will not accept the internet links which have no single citation , reference to give to cross check the origin and veracity of this story .

do you really want to believe in the story because there are 3 or 4 internet links citing same thing ?

This is what bothers me ...people jump at the convenient stories which conform with their ideas and feelings which just help in reinforcing their biases . This is how rumors are spread , this is how riots happen , this is is how myth is created and perpetuated .

To admire Netaji and pay obeisance to him ...do we have to circulate such rubbish ?

why not remember the historical facts - such as his escape to Europe via Afghanistan ..his h journey to Germany ..his act of establishing azad hind radio and addressing nation ....( I still get goose flesh ...to imagine that )

People used to tune secretly to listen to Netaji's speeches ...despite British ban and dictat against it ...

His hazardous journey of tens of thousands of kilometer through submarine ...his act of raising Azah hind sena ...creating Rani Laximabi women regiment ....

His act of naming Andaman, Nicobar islands as Shahid and Swaraj

there are so many historically recorded mind boggling facts ....


why do we have to demean those achievements by singularly pointing out the stories which have no basis .


I tell you why people do that ...

People are always looking for something extraordinarily abnormal which will catch eyes and imagination of others .

most people are frail minded ...and they accept whatever is fed to them without rationally thinking or questioning .

This is why Internet is home to Never ending, Never Dying Fantastic Gossip and conspiracy theories ...


admiration is one thing and blind worship is another thing ....

I am strongly against people who peddle myth ...because after sometime it becomes inviolable truth .

We do not need myths to admire character of Netaji ...

You asked for proof in the other thread that got deleted, and in internet forums links are the proof, and my links are from reasonably credible websites, you are yet to produce anything apart from very long posts. Even I heard that story for the first time, though I know he was expelled from Presidency College and banished from Calcutta University for assaulting a British professor E F Otten in 1916 in protest of his repeated racist remarks against Indians, those were different times, nationalistic feelings were high, people did things that sound crazy now.

Btw, I don't want you to believe anything, but if you want me (or us) to believe your story, then you should come up with something credible. Your logic has no value here, because by your logic Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, a brilliant student with a bright future and a rich family background should not have sacrificed everything for the freedom of India, that's illogical, right?

I repeat, you are free to believe anything, but spare me unless you have something credible in hand. I would have appreciated if you had just said that the story sounds unbelivable and moved on in that thread, but you went on a rampage for 3 long pages mocking other members and Netaji himself just to prove your point when there was nothing to prove or disprove. The mess it created ended up getting the thread deleted. I just wanted to discuss Netaji's work on his birthday, I didn't ask you to agree with anything or respect Netaji, you could have moved to any other thread after posting your opinion, and nobody was even trying to prove that story after just one post, but you were hell bent on destroying that thread even after repeated requests, no?

Finally, if you think that incident didn't happen, then it didn't happen for you, it can't be proved or disproved in absolute terms, same applies for most parts of the world history, more often than not those were hearsay and written later by individuals. However, I just don't want to continue with this futile debate anymore.
 
You asked for proof in the other thread that got deleted, and in internet forums links are the proof, and my links are from reasonably credible websites, you are yet to produce anything apart from very long posts. Even I heard that story for the first time, though I know he was expelled from Presidency College and banished from Calcutta University for assaulting a British professor E F Otten in 1916 in protest of his repeated racist remarks against Indians, those were different times, nationalistic feelings were high, people did things that sound crazy now.

Btw, I don't want you to believe anything, but if you want me (or us) to believe your story, then you should come up with something credible. Your logic has no value here, because by your logic Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, a brilliant student with a bright future and a rich family background should not have sacrificed everything for the freedom of India, that's illogical, right?

I repeat, you are free to believe anything, but spare me unless you have something credible in hand. I would have appreciated if you had just said that the story sounds unbelivable and moved on in that thread, but you went on a rampage for 3 long pages mocking other members and Netaji himself just to prove your point when there was nothing to prove or disprove. The mess it created ended up getting the thread deleted. I just wanted to discuss Netaji's work on his birthday, I didn't ask you to agree with anything or respect Netaji, you could have moved to any other thread after posting your opinion, and nobody was even trying to prove that story after just one post, but you were hell bent on destroying that thread even after repeated requests, no?

Finally, if you think that incident didn't happen, then it didn't happen for you, it can't be proved or disproved in absolute terms, same applies for most parts of the world history, more often than not those were hearsay and written later by individuals. However, I just don't want to continue with this futile debate anymore.


If you are naïve to believe something merely because there are 3-4 internet links . then so be it .

you have real comprehension issue . Otherwise you would have got the point . But people carry their baises and see world with those biases and therefore can't see the truth .

You believe in all the nonsense that you want to .

If somebody puts a nonsense on public forum I have right to ask for credible , cross verifiable source .

Internet links without any references , citations can't be a credible source .

all I told is that there are so many things in Netaji's life that can be remembered and worthy of rememberance .

But frail minded people will go for contentious myths ....

Do not hope me to join your stupidity .

It is my right to ask for credible source . Come back with credible , cross verifiable source .

You could have started with the various facts I have mentioned but you want to stick to the story of how netaji hooked Governor General's neck with umbrella and warned him to mind his won business - then it just shows how feeble and narrow minded you are .
 

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