Sri Lanka Defence Thread

[HeinzG]

What philosophy, ethics and values ?
It is in your country with this much of goodies overflowing lakhs of innocent people were slaughtered ?
Where were your values at that time, sleeping ?

I don't think even you can mingle values with a large scale war. Beside the number lacks is a utter BS. You Tamils exaggerate things too much to garner sympathy.

 

[samv]

Sri Lanka's State Minister of Defence....

Meanwhile in Sri Lanka thousands of Indian fishermen continue to poach in Sri Lankan waters with impunity (Ruwan are you deaf and blind?), LTTE cadres are about to be released (while our soldiers are to be tried in a special court) and the country is in a complete mess with murders, rapes, abductions, drug hauls, a failing economy, police freely attacking the disabled and students, garbage on the streets, zero investment, no new jobs, a falling rupee - the list just goes on and on. But hey, none of that is important or worth wasting time trying to fix... running off to London and proudly boasting about attending the rugby world cup finals matters much more to the State Minister of Defence Ruwan Wijewardene and Harin Fernando. Can you guys get anymore shameless?

So this must have been why you guys got your jobs - to do ef all and fart around watching rugby games overseas. Oh yahapalanaya, you are shining so hard. You know what, we tax payers gave your boss Sirisena more than 180 million rupees for a new palace, maybe he can share some of that with you as well, for all your hard work. Arapan bothale!

 

[ThaniOruvan]

I don't think even you can mingle values with a large scale war. Beside the number lacks is a utter BS. You Tamils exaggerate things too much to garner sympathy.

SoB Tamil Politicians do that like the SoB lankan politicians did during the war.
Tamil people don't exaggerate.
When thousands of innocent people are killed during a war there sure will be noise and after effects.
If an army or a government is not capable of handling that then they must have folded their tails between their legs and have lived with it. You let your finger kindle the fire and now you have to face the heat is nature.

By the way my mother tongue is not Tamil
Don't get confused with my profile name.

 

[HeinzG]

SoB Tamil Politicians do that like the SoB lankan politicians did during the war.
Tamil people don't exaggerate.
When thousands of innocent people are killed during a war there sure will be noise and after effects.
If an army or a government is not capable of handling that then they must have folded their tails between their legs and have lived with it. You let your finger kindle the fire and now you have to face the heat is nature.

By the way my mother tongue is not Tamil
Don't get confused with my profile name.

Wow after one comment laks becomes thousands. Sri Lanka has not denied the fact that civilians were killed. I think the official estimate is around 8000. But the fact is that one can be certain of who killed who. Civilians wasn't held by SLA. It was the LTTE that kept them hostages.

 

[Godman]

Wow after one comment laks becomes thousands. Sri Lanka has not denied the fact that civilians were killed. I think the official estimate is around 8000. But the fact is that one can be certain of who killed who. Civilians wasn't held by SLA. It was the LTTE that kept them hostages.

There is no actual official estimate, there are several estimates by various organizations and the SL government.

the last war's civilian deaths should be between 5000 and 10,000.
if he meant the entire 30 years then lakh is poosible

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Wow after one comment laks becomes thousands. Sri Lanka has not denied the fact that civilians were killed. I think the official estimate is around 8000. But the fact is that one can be certain of who killed who. Civilians wasn't held by SLA. It was the LTTE that kept them hostages.

I think you are being too kind on your security forces.
8000 is a faux. Real count is more than 15000 were killed during the final phases of the war.
By lakhs I actually meant the number of civilians killed including the past.

You cannot justify killing civilians in chunks stating LTTE had them as hostages.
If your army really cared of Lankan Tamils they should have first saved the hostages before killing LTTE big heads. They didn't do that but rather they found a chance to avenge their racist thoughts by killing the innocent hostages (Tamils).

When an army is killing its own people there is no difference between them and the LTTE.
All are the same, butchers.

 

[Godman]

I think you are being too kind on your security forces.
8000 is a faux. Real count is more than 15000 were killed during the final phases of the war.
By lakhs I actually meant the number of civilians killed including the past.

You cannot justify killing civilians in chunks stating LTTE had them as hostages.
If your army really cared of Lankan Tamils they should have first saved the hostages before killing LTTE big heads. They didn't do that but rather they found a chance to avenge their racist thoughts by killing the innocent hostages (Tamils).

When an army is killing its own people there is no difference between them and the LTTE.
All are the same, butchers.

Snipers were used during the last times of the war to reduce the civilian causalities. Heavy weapons were limited and special forces were increased during the final battle

Not denying that civilians died and there are always some soldiers who snap out and kill people or rape but those things happen in everywar! Just look at how many rape incidents the US covered up in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Actions of one or two soldiers that happen due to intense stress doesn't make every soldier a criminal.

A soldier who was accused of murder in 2000 was sentenced to death(Its life imprisonment due to Death sentence being inactive), if you can give enough evidence at any soldier then he can be punished according to the law as he committed a crime and was disobeying orders

 

[Gibbs]

I think you are being too kind on your security forces.
8000 is a faux. Real count is more than 15000 were killed during the final phases of the war.
By lakhs I actually meant the number of civilians killed including the past.

You cannot justify killing civilians in chunks stating LTTE had them as hostages.
If your army really cared of Lankan Tamils they should have first saved the hostages before killing LTTE big heads. They didn't do that but rather they found a chance to avenge their racist thoughts by killing the innocent hostages (Tamils).

When an army is killing its own people there is no difference between them and the LTTE.
All are the same, butchers.

Utter hog wash.. If the forces wanted to kill Tamil civilians nearly 300,000 would not have come out of the war zone despite LTTE shooting at them to the side of the govt forces.. Whole of the Northern province was a mono ethnic Tamil populated region amounting to about 2 million people.. Even the 40,000 figure came out with the Darusman report is based on a quasi fictional book by a ex UNHRC official named Gordon Weiss with no corroborative evidence.. To date they do not reveal either the sources or evidence

Just because LTTE rumps in Tamil Nadu and in some Western capitals keep baying this repeatedly doesn't make it true.. Over 100,000 Sri Lankans did die due to the conflict throughout three decades.. All Sinhalese, Muslims, Tamils and Burghers died some killed by armed forces, Paramilitaries, The LTTE, Other Tamil militants and the Indian peace keeping force

When an army is killing its own people there is no difference between them and the LTTE.
All are the same, butchers.

And going by this no army in the world would escape that branding.. Butchers, Atleast the LTTE and the SL forces do not kill any more due to the end of the conflict not something we can say about other armed forces in the region including Kashmir and North Eastern India

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Utter hog wash.. If the forces wanted to kill Tamil civilians nearly 300,000 would not have come out of the war zone despite LTTE shooting at them to the side of the govt forces.. Whole of the Northern province was a mono ethnic Tamil populated region amounting to about 2 million people.. Even the 40,000 figure came out with the Darusman report is based on a quasi fictional book by a ex UNHRC official named Gordon Weiss with no corroborative evidence.. To date they do not reveal either the sources or evidence

Just because LTTE rumps in Tamil Nadu and in some Western capitals keep baying this repeatedly doesn't make it true.. Over 100,000 Sri Lankans did die due to the conflict throughout three decades.. All Sinhalese, Muslims, Tamils and Burghers died some killed by armed forces, Paramilitaries, The LTTE, Other Tamil militants and the Indian peace keeping force

Then why did civilians die in the final phases of the war ?
300,000 survived. Do you think Sri Lanka would survive had these 300,000 been killed ?
There is the catch. It was targeted killing or a small-scale genocide.
The war itself was used as a tool to eradicate Tamils by many in the Sri Lankan authority.
We do not need to any UN report to understand that.

Don't think of me as a Tamils or LTTE sympathizer.

 

[bdslph]

Sri Lanka Navy and the Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) today jointly conducted a simulated exercise including mid-sea boarding by the Sri Lanka Navy boarding teams, and vessel search techniques to identify concealed compartments to detect narcotics in fishing vessels. The Senior Drug Enforcement Officials of the Indian Ocean Region today observed the exercise - See more at: Video: SL Navy in mid-sea exercise ::: Dailymirror.lk ::: Breaking News

thanks the video and the pics

Snipers were used during the last times of the war to reduce the civilian causalities. Heavy weapons were limited and special forces were increased during the final battle

Not denying that civilians died and there are always some soldiers who snap out and kill people or rape but those things happen in everywar! Just look at how many rape incidents the US covered up in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Actions of one or two soldiers that happen due to intense stress doesn't make every soldier a criminal.

A soldier who was accused of murder in 2000 was sentenced to death(Its life imprisonment due to Death sentence being inactive), if you can give enough evidence at any soldier then he can be punished according to the law as he committed a crime and was disobeying orders

agreed with you
now every one is bad yes there is some mistakes done evidence then court martial
but i dont like the western and some countries they are like saying the whole army is to blame and they are bad
i can say things Srilanka Army did better then those in Aghanistan Iraq Libya

 

[Gibbs]

Then why did civilians die in the final phases of the war ?
300,000 survived. Do you think Sri Lanka would survive had these 300,000 been killed ?
There is the catch. It was targeted killing or a small-scale genocide.
The war itself was used as a tool to eradicate Tamils by many in the Sri Lankan authority.
We do not need to any UN report to understand that.

Don't think of me as a Tamils or LTTE sympathizer.

Lol.. Again the Northern province is a mono Ethnic Tamil region where other minorities were ethnically cleansed by the LTTE with about 2 million Tamils, Rest of the country is populated by a multi ethnic population including majority of the Sri Lankan Tamil populace.. If the govt was aiming at a genocide they didn't need to target a tiny fraction of that population held by the LTTE as human shield in a 4Km stretch of sand.. Or save 300,000 lives going at it

Better really understand the meaning of the word genocide

Couldn't care less if you're a LTTE sympathizer or not.. It's better if you could come up with valid sources and facts before posting either Bull shit propaganda or general assumption on something you really have little knowledge about

And who is this "we" you refer to ?

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Lol.. Again the Northern province is a mono Ethnic Tamil region where other minorities were ethnically cleansed by the LTTE with about 2 million Tamils, Rest of the country is populated by a multi ethnic population including majority of the Sri Lankan Tamil populace.. If the govt was aiming at a genocide they didn't need to target a small fraction of that population held by the LTTE as human shield in a 4Km stretch of sand

Better really understand the meaning of the word genocide

Couldn't care less if you're a LTTE sympathizer or not.. It's better if you could come up with valid sources and facts before posting either Bull shit propaganda or general assumption on something you really have little knowledge about

And who is this "we" you refer to ?

That is the point. They used the LTTE as a reason to butcher civilians.
Or else why this much noise around this incident ? Even your neighbour India is not acting against you in this regard.
Or do you have any tussle with the UN ? No !!!
The smoke is because of the fire.

Of course you will deny when your country is accused of something like this which is 100% natural.
Lets wait for the times to come and see who is right

 

[Gibbs]

That is the point. They used the LTTE as a reason to butcher civilians.
Or else why this much noise around this incident ? Even your neighbour India is not acting against you in this regard.
Or do you have any tussle with the UN ? No !!!
The smoke is because of the fire.

Of course you will deny when your country is accused of something like this which is 100% natural.
Lets wait for the times to come and see who is right

I'm afraid you need to learn a lot about real politik and global strategic agenda's or how the UN system work before you comment on subjects as complex as this.. It's really futile other wise to have any resemblance of a critical discussion.. I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum if you cant comprehend that.. Most PDF posters are highly nuanced about both military and global matters, This is not some fantasy bollywood forum

 

[HeinzG]

There is no actual official estimate, there are several estimates by various organizations and the SL government.

the last war's civilian deaths should be between 5000 and 10,000.
if he meant the entire 30 years then lakh is poosible

If that's the case. LTTE should be the sole culprit.

I think you are being too kind on your security forces.
8000 is a faux. Real count is more than 15000 were killed during the final phases of the war.
By lakhs I actually meant the number of civilians killed including the past.

You cannot justify killing civilians in chunks stating LTTE had them as hostages.
If your army really cared of Lankan Tamils they should have first saved the hostages before killing LTTE big heads. They didn't do that but rather they found a chance to avenge their racist thoughts by killing the innocent hostages (Tamils).

When an army is killing its own people there is no difference between them and the LTTE.
All are the same, butchers.

Who counted the dead? you? So it's pretty lame to take an unauthenticated records.

SLA saved the hostages before killing the LTTE leaders. It took almost 2-3 days to all most all civilians to come to SLA lines. Only the hardcore LTTE romp remained inside the dead lock after that. Possibly some civilians.

If SLA went for revenge they should've just shelled the NFZ with out sending in the elite special force units to clear the earthen bunds. Speak after learning what really happened.

SLA didn't killed innocent civilians purposefully and there was no reason to do so.

Then why did civilians die in the final phases of the war ?
300,000 survived. Do you think Sri Lanka would survive had these 300,000 been killed ?
There is the catch. It was targeted killing or a small-scale genocide.
The war itself was used as a tool to eradicate Tamils by many in the Sri Lankan authority.
We do not need to any UN report to understand that.

Don't think of me as a Tamils or LTTE sympathizer.

We have to be careful on whom you consider as the civilians. LTTE cadres wearing civil uniforms or jungle camo are not considered civilians.

What are you telling us? You say we killed civilians and then say we purposefully let the rest survive so Sri Lanka could save it's face. What kind of genocide is that?

If it was a target killing, who were the targets? Surely they wouldn't had been LTTE cadres.

Many Tamils live in Jaffna and Colombo than the bunch got caught in the crossfire at Wanni. Are you aware of that? What kind of eradication is that when you kill small fraction of the people you want to eradicate but keep the majority unharmed.

 

[Godman]

That is the point. They used the LTTE as a reason to butcher civilians.
Or else why this much noise around this incident ? Even your neighbour India is not acting against you in this regard.
Or do you have any tussle with the UN ? No !!!
The smoke is because of the fire.

Of course you will deny when your country is accused of something like this which is 100% natural.
Lets wait for the times to come and see who is right

Man, the butchering Tamil thing and the Genocide things are proven lies. Bullets don't see who is a civilian or enemy.
In a life or death situation you can easily mistake someone for an enemy and shoot. Sri lankan forces don't see who's tamil who Sinhalese and there were several incidents of LTTE suicide bombers mixing with refugees and blasting themselves up in refugee camps.
As soon as the war ended Red Cross created hospitals in refugee camps so butchering Tamils won't be possible right?

There is a differnec between intentionally killing Tamils and accidently killing them and they took a major risk in taking tamil refugees in without checking