Squadron Re-equipment

[fatman17]

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone know what is the PAF criteria for sqdn re-equipment when new a/c are inducted.

when PAF received the original 40 F-16, blk 15 a/c, PAF re-equipped No's 11 and 14 Sqdns.
after the loss of 8 a/c due to attrition, which two sqdns are flying the 32 a/c (now 4 a/c added) bringing total to 36. i know No 11 sqdn still flies F-16s, which is the other sqdn?. it is not No 14 because they have re-equipped with Mirage5EF-Rose111.

Who will get re-equipped when the balance of the 28 embargoed F-16 blk 15s (24 a/c) are delivered in 2008?
Who will get the big prize when the F-16 blk 50/52s are delivered.?

 

[Ahassan]

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[F.O.X]

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[Munir]

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[blain2]

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone know what is the PAF criteria for sqdn re-equipment when new a/c are inducted.

when PAF received the original 40 F-16, blk 15 a/c, PAF re-equipped No's 11 and 14 Sqdns.
after the loss of 8 a/c due to attrition, which two sqdns are flying the 32 a/c (now 4 a/c added) bringing total to 36. i know No 11 sqdn still flies F-16s, which is the other sqdn?. it is not No 14 because they have re-equipped with Mirage5EF-Rose111.

Who will get re-equipped when the balance of the 28 embargoed F-16 blk 15s (24 a/c) are delivered in 2008?
Who will get the big prize when the F-16 blk 50/52s are delivered.?

Fatman ,

You forgot the premier fighter sqn of the Pakistan Air Force which is the No. 9 MR "Griffins" Sqn. So the "Tail choppers" No 14 MR had to give up their F-16s over to No 9 and No 11 (Arrows) sqns. 14 Sqn was re-equipped with F-7PGs (I am not sure if you are correct about Mirage 5EF being flown by 14 Sqn).

My own take is that when additional F-16s have been acquired then No 14 will again revert back to F-16 blk 15s. Once the blk 52s come in, they will probably go over to No. 9 sqn first.

 

[fatman17]

blain2 - pls check sept issue of AFM which has article on Minhas-AB home to 33rd TW. 14 sqdn tail-choppers are part of the 33rd TW flying Mirage 5EFs.

yes u r right about No 9 sqdn Griffens is the premier sqdn
so if we go by your criteria

theoratically this would happen

No 9 will get 18 F-16 blk 52 when they r delivered
No 11 will get 18 F-16 blk 52 when they r delivered
No 14 will get 18 F-16 MLU

this leaves 42 F-16 MLUs. i guess 12 F-16Bs will be part of the OCU unit (what sqdn no?)
that will leave 30 F-16 MLUs to be assigned to 2 more sqdns (15 each) so they will be under strength

 

[fatman17]

my dear colleagues lets continue this thread.
here is a PAF squadrons list circa 1994. can my learned colleagues update this list.
PAKISTAN AIRFORCE SQUADRONS
Unit: Equipment Base:
No. 1 Squadron FT-5 Mianwali
No. 2 Squadron F-7P Masroor
No. 5 Squadron Mirage IIIEP and RP Rafiqui
No. 6 Squadron C-130 Chaklala
No. 7 Squadron Mirage VPA Masroor
No. 8 Squadron Mirage VPA3 and VPA2 Masroor
No. 9 Squadron F-16 A Sargodha
No.11 Squadron F-16 A and B Sargodha
No.12 Squadron Boeing 707, Falcon, Fokker F-27 Chaklala
No.14 Squadron F-7P Kamra
No.15 Squadron F-7P Kamra
No.16 Squadron A-5C Peshawar
No.17 Squadron F-6, F-7P, FT- 6 Samungli
No.18 Squadron F-7P Rafiqui
No.19 Squadron F-7P Mianwali
No.20 Squadron F-7P Rafiqui
No.22 Squadron Mirage VPA, DPA, IIIDP Masroor
No.23 Squadron F-6 Samungli
No.24 Squadron Falcon 20 F/G Sargodha
No.25 Squadron F-7 and FT-7 Mianwali
No.26 Squadron A-5C Peshawar
No.41 Squadron Cessna 172, Aero Commander, Beach Travel Chaklala
No.81 Squadron Alouette III Peshawar
No.82 Squadron Alouette III Sargodha
No.83 Squadron Alouette III Rafiqui
No.84 Squadron Alouette III Masroor
No.85 Squadron Alouette III Samungli
No.86 Squadron Alouette III Mianwali
Combat Commander School: F-7 Sargodha
Combat Commander School: Mirage VPA Sargodha

 

[blain2]

blain2 - pls check sept issue of AFM which has article on Minhas-AB home to 33rd TW. 14 sqdn tail-choppers are part of the 33rd TW flying Mirage 5EFs.

yes u r right about No 9 sqdn Griffens is the premier sqdn
so if we go by your criteria

theoratically this would happen

No 9 will get 18 F-16 blk 52 when they r delivered
No 11 will get 18 F-16 blk 52 when they r delivered
No 14 will get 18 F-16 MLU

this leaves 42 F-16 MLUs. i guess 12 F-16Bs will be part of the OCU unit (what sqdn no?)
that will leave 30 F-16 MLUs to be assigned to 2 more sqdns (15 each) so they will be under strength

I don't have the AFM article in front of me but from what I remember when I read it, 14 sqn was equipped with F-7Ps after the F-16s were withdrawn and aggregated at Mushaf. Also as per the AFM article, this sqn along with a sister Mirage (Rose) sqn is part of the 33rd TW. Not all of the sqns within 33rd TW are Mirage equipped.

See this thread that you started yourself :
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/7159-paf-base-minhas.html

So..
No 14 sqn - F-7Ps
No 25 sqn - Mirage 5 (ROSEII/III)

On the F-16 split, some aircraft will go over to CCS and that would pretty much even out the F-16 inventory on a per/sqn basis.

 

[fatman17]

blain2 - i stand corrected

 

[x_man]

CCS does not have F-16s of its own. They fly birds of 9 or 11 squadron. However, CCS F-7 and Mirage are independent sqdns with full inventory.
Few corrections for the below squadrons from the data provided by Fatman:-

No.15 Squadron Mirage Rafiqui
No.17 Squadron F-7PG Samungli
No.18 Squadron F-7P OCU Mianwali
No.19 Squadron F-7P Mianwali
No.20 Squadron F-7PG Rafiqui
No.23 Squadron F-7PG Samungli
No.24 Squadron Falcon 20 F Sargodha
No.25 Squadron Mirage Kamra(know as PAF Minhas)
No.27 Squadron Mirage Rafiqui

Regards

 

[fatman17]

x_man- i am sure u meant update the data provided by me.

 

[x_man]

Update or correction...How does it really matter.

 

[fatman17]

correction is if the data which was circa 1998 was wrong
update is as u have done - updated the 1998 data to 2007

 

[Muradk]

correction is if the data which was circa 1998 was wrong
update is as u have done - updated the 1998 data to 2007

SO you think your Info if updated you have missed at least 20 crashes between 1974 to 1984.

 

[fatman17]

muradk - we are only discussing which sqdns are equipped with which platforms (chinese/french/US), we are not counting numbers of active a/c.
in 1998 many sqdns had F-6s, which were replaced over the last 9 years by F-7PGs. some sqdns which had mirages were upgraded to various ROSE configs. (used mirages were procured from AUS/Libya etc).there was no additions in F-16s until last year.
hope to have clarified.