South China Sea Forum

[terranMarine]

When it comes to sovereignty, there is no ASEAN unity. ASEAN does/cannot touch sovereignty issues. Besides, inside ASEAN, the Philippines probably blew up more Vietnam fishing boats in their claimed waters than Chinese boats.

So, in SCS, everybody is against everybody and China has been promoting a peaceful regional existence in which the US is kept in check. The message, although slowly, is getting through the leadership of several countries, including the Philippines, Malaysia, and now, as @samsara shared, Indonesia.

Vietnam is lonelier than it was in 2016. That's probably why the VCP is much more cautious and China does not want to give them a bad face at the moment.

That's why whoever claims to be the leader of ASEAN is only humiliating himself. What leader?
Duterte got the message, US isn't generous or any trustworthy. The Yankees abandoned them, not willing to foot the $30 million bill, only want to use PH for its own agenda. Najib's a$$ was saved by China. Indonesia acted like some tough motha fucka (so called leader) and now toned down it's voice. Which leaves us to Vietnam (another so called leader) who is so disappointed that the tension had died down so he's now trying to suck up to the BIG BOSS of ASIA (now that's a title that has true meaning).

 

[cochine]

Perhaps we have to warn VCP about it don't we? @kecho is working nonstop posting news articles related to any US or JP military drills. You might think he has an agenda like promoting US or JP clashing with China. Someone here doesn't wish for a peaceful region at all. Vietnam stands alone, which is what we have been saying all this time. PH, Indon, Malay none of these countries are gonna escalate things with China especially on behalf of Vietnam.

This image is only the wet dream of Vietnam

This is the reality
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CHINA BANS FISHING IN VIETNAMESE WATERS
Posted on March 8, 2017

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The government of Vietnam has condemned China for imposing a fishing ban over its territory in the Paracel Islands, a South China Sea archipelago that China illegally claims as its own.

The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture announced a ban last week on fishing in multiple regions of the South China Sea, including the Gulf of Tonkin and the waters of Vietnam’s Paracel Islands. Between May 1 and August 16, the Chinese Coast Guard will prevent Vietnamese fishermen from exploiting the resources within Chinese sovereign territory.

The Vietnamese Foreign Ministry said China made a serious violation of the nation’s sovereignty. “Vietnam resolutely opposes and rejects the regulation issued by China,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh said last week.

According to the English-language regional outlet Vietnam Net, Binh added that Vietnam “has sufficient legal ground and historical evidence affirming its sovereignty over Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelago as well as legitimate rights over its waters in line with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).”

The Chinese government claims most of the South China Sea, including the sovereign waters of Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia, and Indonesia.

http://tankler.com/china-bans-fishing-in-vietnamese-waters-13261

 

[samsara]

China not to allow South China Sea stability to be disturbed: FM

Source: Xinhua | 2017-03-08 12:46:12 | Editor: huaxia

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi answers questions on China's foreign policy and foreign relations at a press conference for the fifth session of the 12th National People's Congress in Beijing, capital of China, March 8, 2017. (Xinhua/Cui Xinyu)

BEIJING, March 8 (Xinhua) -- China will never allow hard-won stability in the South China Sea to be disturbed or undermined again, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Wednesday.

The situation in the South China Sea has calmed down visibly as a result of the joint efforts of China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) countries, a blessing to the region and the world, he told a press conference on the sidelines of the national legislature's annual session.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-03/08/c_136112302.htm

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China Never Allows Hard-Won Stability in South China Sea to Be Disrupted Again: FM

Foreign Minister Wang Yi updates the press with the latest development

With full English translation

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FM Wang Yi: Situation in South China Sea has calmed down visibly

FM Wang Yi takes questions from journalists

With full English translation

 

[cochine]

VIETNAM TO DEPLOY MANY SHIPS AFTER CHINA BANS THEM FROM FISHING
Posted on March 8, 2017

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Vietnam announced recently it would send more surveillance ships to protect its fishermen, who have come under attack by Chinese Coast Guard ships in the past.

China’s Ministry of Agriculture on Monday issued a ban on fishing in a number of areas from May 1 to August 16, which include Vietnam’s Gulf of Tonkin near the Hoang Sa (Paracel) Islands in the East Sea.

Vietnam has condemned the ban, saying China’s move has seriously violated its maritime sovereignty over Hoang Sa.

The Directorate of Fisheries under Vietnam’s Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development will deploy fisheries surveillance ships across its territorial waters with a focus on the areas where China has issued its illegal fishing ban, Vu Duyen Hai, an official from the directorate, told a press briefing on March 3.

In the past, China has used force against Vietnam more than any other South China Sea rival. In 2014, Chinese ships sunk a Vietnamese fishing vessel in Vietnamese waters, claiming the fishermen had “forcefully intruded into the area of a Chinese company’s oil rig and capsized” rather than being sunk.

A year later, A Chinese ship rammed itself into another Vietnamese ship until it sank, leaving the entire crew floating on lifeboats in the middle of the South China Sea until Vietnamese rescue teams saved them.
http://tankler.com/vietnam-to-dbhue...hips-after-china-bans-them-from-fishing-13269

 

[samsara]

First cruises, now flights … China plans to fly tourists to South China Sea islands

SCMP - 2017-03-07

Chinese tourists pictured on a cruise to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 (Photo Liu Zhen / SCMP)

The authorities in southern China want to launch tour flights to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 in the South China Sea.

If approved, the move is likely to further anger Vietnam, which also has territorial claims to the Xisha.

A Chinese documentary movie about the heroic repossessing of the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 in 1974 was shown during the sailing (scmp.tv)

A Chinese flag raising ceremony attended by tourists in Quanfu Island 全富岛, Xisha (scmp.tv)

The air tour plans have been listed as a priority by the authorities on the southern Chinese island of Hainan this year and they are trying to gain approval from the relevant ministries and the military, according to a document released by the province’s delegates at the National People’s Congress (NPC) in Beijing.

Chinese firms already operate cruise ships in the South China Sea, but these would be the first flights to the region.

Hainan is the centre of cruise ship operations to the South China Sea and the island is aiming to expand the scale of its tours to the Xisha.

Two major cruise ships now operate in the Xisha, the Dream of the South China Sea and the Changle Princess.

The city of Sansha administers the islands in the South China Sea, including the Nansha, the Xisha, and Huangyan Dao 黄岩岛. Its mayor, Xiao Jie, said on Tuesday during the NPC in Beijing that China would continue to strengthen its sovereignty claims in the area.

“One of our priorities is to strengthen our administrative authority starting from grassroots organisations,” he said.

Xiao said 10 “residential committees” has been set up in the Xisha, including Yongxing Island 永兴岛, where China has stationed military equipment and soldiers. Such government agencies were set up to “exhibit China’s administrative authority and sovereignty”, Xiao said.

He declined to comment on whether China would extend its presence to other islands in the South China Sea.

Tourists on Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 (Photo Liu Zhen / SCMP)

A Chinese cruise ship operating in the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 (Photo Liu Zhen / SCMP)

The number of tourists to the Xisha surged 48.8 per cent last year to 12,038, the document said.

Construction is under way to expand the Sanya Phoenix Island International Cruise Terminal, which connects Hainan with the Xisha, the report said.

The Changle Princess began its maiden voyage last week from Sanya to the Xisha.

China began daily civilian charter flights between Hainan’s Haikou and Yongxing Island in the Xisha in December, but the routes mainly serve officials and stationed soldiers.

 

[JSCh]

Most advanced rescue ship put into use in South China Sea
(Xinhua) 08:58, March 09, 2017

China's first vessel capable of conducting rescue in deep, open water was delivered and put into service on Wednesday in the South China Sea.

The ship, Nanhaijiu 102, is the most advanced rescue vessel in the area and will play a role in emergencies, said the Ministry of Transport.

An all-weather, high-powered rescue ship designed and built by China, is 127 meters long and 16 meters wide, with displacement of 7,300 tonnes and range of 16,000 nautical miles.

Carrying a towing system and autonomous underwater vehicle that can dive as deep as 6,000 meters, the ship is the country's first rescue ship that can conduct air, sea and underwater searches at the same time.

The ministry said Nanhaijiu 102, which can rescue 200 people at a time, is designed for bad sea conditions including 12th grade waves and is suitable for the refueling and landing of helicopters.

China has 74 special rescue ships, among which 31 are in southern sea areas. In addition, the country has 20 rescue helicopters, according to the ministry.

 

[samsara]

Hainan wants to add flights to bring more tourists to South China Sea islands

Shanghaiist, 2017-03-07

Hainan delegates at this year's National People's Congress (NPC) in Beijing have released a document stating that tour flights to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 are one of their priorities for this year.

The dazzling beauty of the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 in South China Sea

Looking to get away from it all? Mainlanders now can plan a trip to the South China Sea.

After expanding the islands in the middle of the South China Sea and filling them with airstrips, cute female soldiers, veggie gardens and defense installations, China is now working hard on turning the islands into tourist hotspots.

Chinese companies already operate two cruise ships to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛, they are the Changle Princess, made its maiden voyage last week, joining the Dream of the South China Sea. These tours are comprised of a few days of fun, sun and patriotic activities. Its launch was marked by Chinese media with articles encouraging readers to take in the remarkable views and beautiful scenery that the islands offer. Last year, over 12,000 tourists visited the Xisha Islands, a 48% increase over the year before.

Female soldiers are relaxing by playing music, Xisha Islands 西沙群岛

 

[cochine]

Hainan wants to add flights to bring more tourists to South China Sea islands

Shanghaiist, 2017-03-07

Hainan delegates at this year's National People's Congress (NPC) in Beijing have released a document stating that tour flights to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 are one of their priorities for this year.

The dazzling beauty of the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 in South China Sea

Looking to get away from it all? Mainlanders now can plan a trip to the South China Sea.

After expanding the islands in the middle of the South China Sea and filling them with airstrips, cute female soldiers, veggie gardens and defense installations, China is now working hard on turning the islands into tourist hotspots.

Chinese companies already operate two cruise ships to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛, they are the Changle Princess, made its maiden voyage last week, joining the Dream of the South China Sea. These tours are comprised of a few days of fun, sun and patriotic activities. Its launch was marked by Chinese media with articles encouraging readers to take in the remarkable views and beautiful scenery that the islands offer. Last year, over 12,000 tourists visited the Xisha Islands, a 48% increase over the year before.

Female soldiers are relaxing by playing music, Xisha Islands 西沙群岛

Researchers present evidence of VN’s sovereignty over Paracel
VietNamNet Bridge – The country’s leading researchers gathered yesterday (Dec 13) in Thua Thien Hue Province to present old documents issued by the Europeans, which were proof of Viet Nam’s sovereignty over the Paracel (Hoang Sa) archipelago.

The country’s leading researchers gathered yesterday in Thua Thien Hue Province to present old documents issued by the Europeans, which were proof of Viet Nam’s sovereignty over the Paracel (Hoang Sa) archipelago. — Photo tuoitre.vn

According to Dr Tran Duc Anh Son, a well-known researcher in the field, French Navy sailor Jean Baptiste Chaigneau wrote in his memoir Le mesmoire sur la Cochinchine that Hoang Sa was an uninhabited island until Emperor Gia Long, first king of the Nguyen Dynasty (1802-1945) declared sovereignty in 1816.

The Journal of an Embassy from the Governor - General of India to the Courts of Siam and Cochinchina by late diplomat John Crawfurd, published in 1830 in London, also includes lines saying that the emperor in 1816 took over Paracel, which was then under no dispute over its sovereignty.

The book Die Erdkunde von Asien by Calt Ritter, published in Berlin in 1834, said the same, adding that neighbouring countries, including China, did not dispute the sovereignty declaration over Paracel by the emperor.

The Nguyen Dynasty’s Dai Nam Thuc Luc (Great South Real Record) in 1816 recorded that the emperor sent a royal marine troop to monitor and undertake measuring work on Hoang Sa. Dai Nam is the former name of Viet Nam.

Son said Viet Nam’s sovereignty over the archipelago has been clear since over 200 years ago.

Prof Nguyen Quang Ngoc, deputy chairman of the Viet Nam Scientific History Association, said royal documents issued by the Nguyen Dynasty presented details of the work and contributions of localities, including Thua Thien-Hue, Quang Ngai and Binh Thuan, for protecting the archipelago, and these also served as evidence of Viet Nam’s sovereignty.

The researchers gathered for a seminar on the issue where they pledged to research more old documents from Japan, South Korea and China related to the archipelago in an attempt to present an accurate picture of the East Sea dispute to citizens around the world.

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/ma...vidence-of-vn-s-sovereignty-over-paracel.html

 

[terranMarine]

Guys see the pattern? @kecho keeps posting outdated news article, the one above is from 14/12/2016
As you can see he's desperate searching for news articles and when no recent ones can be found he just put some old articles here. What a sad mentality

 

[cochine]

Guys see the pattern? @kecho keeps posting outdated news article, the one above is from 14/12/2016
As you can see he's desperate searching for news articles and when no recent ones can be found he just put some old articles here. What a sad mentality

The history evidence for sovereignty of Vietnam over Paracel and Spratly ís never old.

 

[terranMarine]

The history evidence for sovereignty of Vietnam over Paracel and Spratly ís never old, kid.

Yeah we've seen you Viets teaching fake history all the time so ofcourse it's never old , don't worry China will take good care of you ingrates especially in the future.

 

[cochine]

Yeah we've seen you Viets teaching fake history all the time so ofcourse it's never old , don't worry China will take good care of you ingrates especially in the future.

stop lying and fabricating ! your ancestor said in china's document that there is JiaoZhi sea (Vietnamese Sea). You, traitor ! can not swallow our Islands there.

 

[samsara]

Guys see the pattern? @kecho keeps posting outdated news article, the one above is from 14/12/2016
As you can see he's desperate searching for news articles and when no recent ones can be found he just put some old articles here. What a sad mentality

Ha ha ha @kecho is quite busy digging the used piles to extract any substance to defend the Viet's fragile claims over the South China Sea. The current realities are too painful for him to swallow, witnessing China is rapidly developing the islands within the South China Sea, and is too BIG and too STRONG for Viet to ever play hanky panky

Viet indeed must feel lucky that its giant neighbor is not another USA, otherwise Viet will be Saddamized or Gaddafied...

Viet's [long] history??? What an oxymoron!
Viet's history was simply a history of vassal state carried on by a history of French colonization! And without the help of China in the past, Viet today will just be another vassal state of the USA. No way for Uncle Ho to beat the Yankees without the back-ups from China and USSR.

No wonder, a petite civilization only has a very short memory...

 

[cochine]

Ha ha ha @kecho is quite busy digging the used piles to extract any substance to defend the Viet's fragile claims over the South China Sea. The current realities are too painful for him to swallow, witnessing China is rapidly developing the islands within the South China Sea, and is too BIG and too STRONG for Viet to ever play hanky panky

Viet indeed must feel lucky that its giant neighbor is not another USA, otherwise Viet will be Saddamized or Gaddafied...

Viet's [long] history??? What an oxymoron!
Viet's history was simply a history of vassal state carried on by a history of French colonization! And without the help of China in the past, Viet today will just be another vassal state of the USA. No way for Uncle Ho to beat the Yankees without the back-ups from China and USSR.

No wonder, a petite civilization only has a very short memory...

Stop lying and fabrication. Paracel and Spratly Islands does belong to Vietnam long time ago in the past, in time of Le Dynasty Vietnam. This islands is under controle of Nguyen Warlord in Vietnam from 1600s, long before invasion of France Colonials.

Vietnam had regained independence with help of Soviet Union and Socialist Countries, not only from help of China. China was betrayal in cold war and allied with USA from 1972...

The letter you posted did not mentioned about Paracel and Spratly, after 1954 this Islands belong to South Vietnam. North Vietnam and China signed in to Geneva Accord, Chinese has to know about this aggreement. It said about 12 mile coastline of Mainland China only. North Vietnam didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam.

South and North Vietnam State after 1954, following to Geneva Accord. North Vietnam and China had signed on this aggreement.

North Korea can not say that Dokdo Island does belong to Japan, because Dokdo Island is under sovereignty of South Korea.

 

[GS Zhou]

Stop lying and fabrication, kid. Paracel and Spratly Islands does belong to Vietnam long time ago in the past, in time of Le Dynasty Vietnam. This islands is under controle of Nguyen Warlord in Vietnam from 1600s, long before invasion of France Colonials.

Vietnam had regained independence with help of Soviet Union and Socialist Countries, not only from help of China. China was betrayal in cold war and allied with USA from 1972...

The letter you posted did not mentioned about Paracel and Spratly, after 1954 this Islands belong to South Vietnam. North Vietnam and China signed in to Geneva Accord, Chinese has to know about this aggreement. It said about 12 mile coastline of Mainland China only. North Vietnam didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam.

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I like your debate.

While you said the vice PM from VCP can not represent the entire Vietnam, good argument. On the other hand, you insist a map drawn by no body, just because it mentions Jiaozhi Sea, it could represent the entire China.

Good debating skill!!