South China Sea Forum

[cochine]

Because u guys are losers, why stick with losers, we end up on the winning side of Cold War. As we always did in First World War, Second World War

In WW II, Soviet union's red army won on Japan's Guandong army and liberated Manchu Guo for you. China sided to USA in cold war. You are ungrateful chinese guy.

Thanks for you proving my comment, Namviet is a idiot's land,

Why ? 南越 , or 南粤 is the homeland of Hakka people, they claimed themselves as Chinese now even though they are living in Taiwan or in Singapore.

 

[lonelyman]

In WW II, Soviet union's red army won on Japan's Guandong army and liberated Manchu Guo for you. China sided to USA in cold war. You are ungrateful chinese guy.

Yeah like u guys are grateful to our huge assistance to fight against the French and Americans, without us you are still a colony.

By the way, this shows u are ultimate immature. In international relationships unlike personal level, there is only interests. Like I said, u losers have a habit always picking the losers side, this time by jumping to USA is no different

 

[lonelyman]

@ahojunk hi sir, we have the rule that map older than 100 years could not be posted here.

But this map that just posted by @kecho, it comes from the era of China's Han Dynasty, i.e. the map is older than 2,000 years. Will be great if some actions could be taken to deal with such serious violation of PDF rule. Many thanks!

These viet members like kecho, viet constantly trash talking China and derail normal discussion threads, they should be banned

 

[cochine]

Yeah like u guys are grateful to our huge assistance to fight against the French and Americans, without us you are still a colony.

By the way, this shows u are ultimate immature. In international relationships unlike personal level, there is only interests. Like I said, u losers have a habit always picking the losers side, this time by jumping to USA is no different

I said to you before that Soviet Union and Socialist countries had helped Vietnam in Vietnam war against Imperialist France and USA much more than China, in critic time when USA used B52 to destroyed Vietnam 1972, China had begged Nixon to visit Peking 1972 and robbed Paracel Islands of Vietnam in 1974, invaded to Vietnam 1979.

For your interest, pls stop talking about China's help in Vietnam war. China did is more halm for Vietnam in Sino-Vietnam war than what China had helped us.

@ahojunk hi sir, we have the rule that map older than 100 years could not be posted here.

But this map that just posted by @kecho, it comes from the era of China's Han Dynasty, i.e. the map is older than 2,000 years. Will be great if some actions could be taken to deal with such serious violation of PDF rule. Many thanks!

He he, I just showed that where is Namviet or 南越 , or 南粤 is located where in China.

When China say about history right over SCS, we can demonstrate here the historic map from thousand year, not only from hundred year.

 

[GS Zhou]

He he, I just showed that where is Namviet or 南越 , or 南粤 is located where in China.

When China say about history right over SCS, we can demonstrate here the historic map from thousand year, not only from hundred year.

I don't care much about your claim. I just know we should all obey the PDF fule.

 

[cochine]

I don't care much about your claim. I just know we should all obey the PDF fule.

The rule said by Chinese mod is unfair and unrealistic. Old maps could confirmed that there is sea territory of China's neighbors.

CHINESE COAST GUARD SEEN BLOCKING PINOY FISHERS AT SCARBOROUGH SHOAL
Posted on November 2, 2016

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Filipino fishermen are still not fishing inside Scarborough Shoal as new imagery reports from October 29 showed a China Coast Guard (CCG) vessel anchored just inside the mouth of the lagoon, where it has been for most of the period since China seized the shoal in 2012, apparently blocking access, reported by Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative.

There were at least 17 Philippine fishing vessels were present along the exterior of Scarborough’s reef. This corroborates reports that Filipino fishermen fished “just outside Scarborough’s lagoon” over the last week.

Two Chinese civilian ships were seen in the vicinity and according to the Philippine Navy, three other CCG vessels continue to patrol near Scarborough.

Earlier, GMA News Online reported that some fishermen arrived with their huge catch, after days of fishing inside the shoal beginning Wednesday night.



Markers may indicate more than one Philippine vessel operating close to each other.

 

[sweetgrape]

In WW II, Soviet union's red army won on Japan's Guandong army and liberated Manchu Guo for you. China sided to USA in cold war. You are ungrateful chinese guy.



Why ? 南越 , or 南粤 is the homeland of Hakka people, they claimed themselves as Chinese now even though they are living in Taiwan or in Singapore.

Map of Nanyue guo in the past.

In fact, you don't need prove it twice, Namviet idiot(SB).

 

[艹艹艹]

Senior Chinese leader to visit Vietnam
Source:Xinhua Published: 2016/11/3 16:17:03

A senior leader of the Communist Party of China (CPC) will head a delegation to pay a friendly official visit to Vietnam next week.

Zhang Dejiang, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, will visit Vietnam from Nov. 8 to 11, said a statement from the International Department of the CPC Central Committee.

Zhang is also chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, the country's top legislature.

Zhang was invited by his Vietnam counterpart Nguyen Thi Kim Ngan, chairwoman of the National Assembly of Vietnam, who is also a member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam.

 

[cochine]

Chinese postage stamps violate Vietnam's sovereignty

By VnExpress November 4, 2016 | 12:14 pm GMT+7
Vietnamese collectors have alerted authorities of the violation and called for official disapproval.
The Vietnam Stamp Club, a group of local collectors, has informed the government that China Post’s new stamps violate Vietnam’s sovereignty over an island chain in the East Sea, the Vietnamese reference for the South China Sea.

In a document sent to the information ministry on Wednesday, the group said the Chinese State Post Bureau issued a set of five stamps named “Chinese lighthouses,” depicting lighthouses constructed on five reefs of Vietnam’s Spratly Islands, which were illegally occupied by China in 1988 and 1995.

Hoang Anh Thi, head of the club, said that the new stamps have violated Vietnam’s sovereignty. China uses the pretext of stamp issuance to deceive the public over its illegal actions, Thi added.

This is the third time China Post has released stamps violating Vietnam's sovereignty over the Spratlys and Paracels, another island chain in the East Sea.

Earlier, in 2004 it issued a stamp set featuring frontier scenes of China, one of which showed the image of Paracel Islands, which China has taken by force since 1974.

In 2013, China Post distributed another stamp set with one stamp featuring the islands. This time, the Vietnam’s Post Department demanded that China Post abolish stamps, envelops and postcards that violated Vietnam’s sovereignty and avoid similar actc.

China Post, however, apparently repeated the violation with the new stamps issued late last month.

The Vietnam Stamp Club proposed that the information ministry speak out against China Post's action and issue a set of its own stamps showing images of the Spratly and Paracel Islands to reaffirm Vietnam’s sovereignty.

 

[shjliu]

Chinese postage stamps violate Vietnam's sovereignty

By VnExpress November 4, 2016 | 12:14 pm GMT+7
Vietnamese collectors have alerted authorities of the violation and called for official disapproval.
The Vietnam Stamp Club, a group of local collectors, has informed the government that China Post’s new stamps violate Vietnam’s sovereignty over an island chain in the East Sea, the Vietnamese reference for the South China Sea.

In a document sent to the information ministry on Wednesday, the group said the Chinese State Post Bureau issued a set of five stamps named “Chinese lighthouses,” depicting lighthouses constructed on five reefs of Vietnam’s Spratly Islands, which were illegally occupied by China in 1988 and 1995.

Hoang Anh Thi, head of the club, said that the new stamps have violated Vietnam’s sovereignty. China uses the pretext of stamp issuance to deceive the public over its illegal actions, Thi added.

This is the third time China Post has released stamps violating Vietnam's sovereignty over the Spratlys and Paracels, another island chain in the East Sea.

Earlier, in 2004 it issued a stamp set featuring frontier scenes of China, one of which showed the image of Paracel Islands, which China has taken by force since 1974.

In 2013, China Post distributed another stamp set with one stamp featuring the islands. This time, the Vietnam’s Post Department demanded that China Post abolish stamps, envelops and postcards that violated Vietnam’s sovereignty and avoid similar actc.

China Post, however, apparently repeated the violation with the new stamps issued late last month.

The Vietnam Stamp Club proposed that the information ministry speak out against China Post's action and issue a set of its own stamps showing images of the Spratly and Paracel Islands to reaffirm Vietnam’s sovereignty.

have you see this document before? in 1958, vietnam government respect the right of China owns South China Sea

 

[cochine]

have you see this document before? in 1958, vietnam government respect the right of China owns South China Sea

After 1954 with Geneva accords was signed by North Vietnam and China. The Spratly and Paracel is territory of South Vietnam. North Vietnam didn't have rights to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam.

This letter didn't mentioned about Paracel and Spratly, it said about 12 mile coast line of China where North Vietnam will respected from North Vietnam sea territory only.

Chinese can stop lyings about this diplomatic letter.

 

[shjliu]

After 1954 with Geneva accords was signed by North Vietnam and China. The Spratly and Paracel is territory of South Vietnam. North Vietnam didn't have rights to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam.

This letter didn't mentioned about Paracel and Spratly, it said about 12 mile coast line of China where North Vietnam will respected from North Vietnam sea territory only.

Chinese can stop lyings about this diplomatic letter.

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yes, the north Vietnam have no saying for south vietnam, but if I remember correctly, it is now the north Vietnam win the war, so it does have saying for the loser south Vietnam ? am I wrong on that?

Well, I guess you guys heading for a war eventually. best of luck for both side

 

[cochine]

yes, the north Vietnam have no saying for south vietnam, but if I remember correctly, it is now the north Vietnam win the war, so it does have saying for the loser south Vietnam ? am I wrong on that?

Well, I guess you guys heading for a war eventually. best of luck for both side

South Vietnam revolutionary liberation Government and south Vietnamese people won on RNV Government in Vietnam war. North VN goverment was the supporter only.

Problem is that Noth Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accord, rights of north VN is limited at 17th Parallel . There is two VN state at that time. So, the letter is stated clearly that "DRVN authorities respect 12 mile coast line of China related to North DRVN" only.

Can north Korean say that Dokdo Island does belong to Japan ?


in opposite case, there is Senkaku Island dispute, Lee Deng hui president of Taiwan ROC had said that Senkaku Island does belong to Japan, but this statement is useless for Japan, because Taiwan Parlement didn't approved that.

 

[shjliu]

South Vietnam revolutionary liberation Government and south Vietnamese people won on RNV Government in Vietnam war. North VN goverment was the supporter only.

Problem is that Noth Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accord, rights of north VN is limited at 17th Parallel . There is two VN state at that time. So, the letter is stated clearly that "DRVN authorities respect 12 mile coast line of China related to North DRVN" only.

Can north Korean say that Dokdo Island does belong to Japan ?


in opposite case, there is Senkaku Island dispute, Lee Deng hui president of Taiwan ROC had said that Senkaku Island does belong to Japan, but this statement is useless for Japan, because Taiwan Parlement didn't approved that.

well, I have to agree with you totally! so is there any way to solve this problem between VN and China? I mean beside going to war! without going to war and solving this problem, then it will show the wisdom of people in both countries, won't you agree? of course going into war is another option, in my opinion China will not lose !

 

[GS Zhou]

Really? There is a “PDF rule” that all maps older 100 years are banned in this section?? Thats the first time I’ve ever heard about this socalled “PDF rule”, sounds like you guys are trying to hide/censor something.

Such rule is actually made to protect your interests.

For example, your friend Kecho once showed an ancient map, and told us this map is a crucial evidence to support Vietnam's claim on the South China Sea. But what's ridiculous is,
1. this map comes from an ancient book. But no one know what is the exact name of this book. Different book names are mentioned by different sources in Vietnam

2. No one knows where is the original copy of this book. What's available currently is only the replicated copies that created by the later generations. Replicated Copies!!! You know, every one can add his own flavor to the book during every round of replicate.

Another interesting example, still coming from your friend Kecho. He once shared a 19th-century map, which, according to Kecho's theory, is again a crucial evidence to support Vietnam's right on the South China Sea. However, if we strictly follow what is drawn on the map, a very large part of China's Guangxi Province would be belong to Vietnam. The China vs. Vietnam border line, according to the map, is close to the Leizhou Peninsula.

https://defence.pk/threads/south-china-sea-forum.196058/page-725