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DUTERTE WARNED OF IMPEACHMENT OVER SCARBOROUGH SHOAL
Posted on October 16, 2016
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President Rodrigo Duterte can be impeached once he gives up sovereignty over Scarborough shoal that China has occupied in 2012, said Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonio Carpio.
“If Duterte concedes sovereignty, it is a culpable violation of the Constitution, a ground for impeachment. Once Duterte concedes sovereignty, we can never recover it because China will never give it back,” argued Carpio, adding, “China will not be bound by the ruling of the Philippine Supreme Court (that could void Duterte’s concessions to China).”
“Only an international court can void the concession (that Duterte might give to China). (And) China will never submit to the jurisdiction of an international court on sovereignty issues,” Carpio said.
While negotiating in his state visit to China in late October, Mr. Duterte might “recognise China’s sovereignty over the Scarborough shoal” in exchange for “(China) allowing Filipino fishermen to fish on Scarborough Shoal and for all the infrastructure loans and grants (that he could get) from the Chinese (counterparts during his state visit from December 19 to 21),” said Carpio.
In July, the Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) ruled that China’s claim of the entire South China Sea were illegal, stating that Scarborough Shoal is a common fishing ground for all claimants in the South China Sea.
China, Taiwan, and Vietnam claim the entire South China Sea, while Brunei, Malaysia, and the Philippines claim their respective 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone in the sea lane where $5.3 trillion worth of trade passes annually.
http://tankler.com/duterte-warned-of-impeachment-over-scarborough-shoal-8928
Posted on October 16, 2016
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President Rodrigo Duterte can be impeached once he gives up sovereignty over Scarborough shoal that China has occupied in 2012, said Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonio Carpio.
“If Duterte concedes sovereignty, it is a culpable violation of the Constitution, a ground for impeachment. Once Duterte concedes sovereignty, we can never recover it because China will never give it back,” argued Carpio, adding, “China will not be bound by the ruling of the Philippine Supreme Court (that could void Duterte’s concessions to China).”
“Only an international court can void the concession (that Duterte might give to China). (And) China will never submit to the jurisdiction of an international court on sovereignty issues,” Carpio said.
While negotiating in his state visit to China in late October, Mr. Duterte might “recognise China’s sovereignty over the Scarborough shoal” in exchange for “(China) allowing Filipino fishermen to fish on Scarborough Shoal and for all the infrastructure loans and grants (that he could get) from the Chinese (counterparts during his state visit from December 19 to 21),” said Carpio.
In July, the Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) ruled that China’s claim of the entire South China Sea were illegal, stating that Scarborough Shoal is a common fishing ground for all claimants in the South China Sea.
China, Taiwan, and Vietnam claim the entire South China Sea, while Brunei, Malaysia, and the Philippines claim their respective 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone in the sea lane where $5.3 trillion worth of trade passes annually.
http://tankler.com/duterte-warned-of-impeachment-over-scarborough-shoal-8928
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Foreign interference in South China Sea won’t bring prosperity to region: Duterte
(People's Daily Online) 11:27, October 19, 2016
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has reiterated his opposition to foreign interference in the South China Sea, warning that such unwelcome overtures would pose a great threat to regional stability.
Even though countries like the U.S. say all nations are by the Philippines’ side, I say we are close to a third world war, said Duterte during an interview with CCTV on Oct. 13. Duterte believes that stubborn insistence on territorial claims does not help with economic development.
Though the South China Sea issue has dampened the two countries’ relations, Duterte said he still has faith that China and the Philippines can “totally erase these dark spots,” adding that he wants to establish a more cohesive and stronger bond with China.
"In one word, I would say it is a defining moment of my presidency to open the frontiers of friendship and cooperation, and enhance [the] relationship between our two countries," Duterte said.
Discussing the balance of the Philippines' diplomatic ties with the U.S. and China, the president noted that his country “should not be too constrained [by] the dictates of any other country.” He also stressed that China and the Philippines are neighbors, while the U.S. is thousands of miles away.
“I am not breaking away from the U.S. - I just want to be friendly with everybody. So you do not restrain me from doing [the same thing to] China. Why should we be afraid? Why should we stick to a certain country?” Duterte said,
As for his expectations for his state visit to China, the president said he hopes that better Sino-Philippines relations can benefit his country's sluggish domestic economy, adding that China is the only hope for the Philippines’ economy.
China is the first non-ASEAN country that Duterte has visited as a president. The visit, which kicked off on Oct. 18, will continue until Oct. 21.
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(People's Daily Online) 11:27, October 19, 2016
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has reiterated his opposition to foreign interference in the South China Sea, warning that such unwelcome overtures would pose a great threat to regional stability.
Even though countries like the U.S. say all nations are by the Philippines’ side, I say we are close to a third world war, said Duterte during an interview with CCTV on Oct. 13. Duterte believes that stubborn insistence on territorial claims does not help with economic development.
Though the South China Sea issue has dampened the two countries’ relations, Duterte said he still has faith that China and the Philippines can “totally erase these dark spots,” adding that he wants to establish a more cohesive and stronger bond with China.
"In one word, I would say it is a defining moment of my presidency to open the frontiers of friendship and cooperation, and enhance [the] relationship between our two countries," Duterte said.
Discussing the balance of the Philippines' diplomatic ties with the U.S. and China, the president noted that his country “should not be too constrained [by] the dictates of any other country.” He also stressed that China and the Philippines are neighbors, while the U.S. is thousands of miles away.
“I am not breaking away from the U.S. - I just want to be friendly with everybody. So you do not restrain me from doing [the same thing to] China. Why should we be afraid? Why should we stick to a certain country?” Duterte said,
As for his expectations for his state visit to China, the president said he hopes that better Sino-Philippines relations can benefit his country's sluggish domestic economy, adding that China is the only hope for the Philippines’ economy.
China is the first non-ASEAN country that Duterte has visited as a president. The visit, which kicked off on Oct. 18, will continue until Oct. 21.
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Philippine leader says will raise arbitration case with China, won't bargain
By Reuters/Martin Petty October 17, 2016 | 09:18 am GMT+7
Rodrigo Duterte will not "barter" away territory and economic rights.
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Sunday he would raise a controversial arbitral ruling on the South China Sea with China's leaders, and vowed not to surrender any sovereignty or deviate from the July award by the tribunal in The Hague.
Duterte said his trip to China this week represented a turning point in bilateral ties, but he acknowledged there was some public concern about his rapid rapprochement moves and reassured Filipinos that would not impact on the country's maritime sovereignty.
In comments that will not sit comfortably with the Chinese leadership, Duterte said the decision by the Permanent Court of Arbitration would be talked about and the parameters of the award would be discussed, but there would be no "hard imposition" of it.
The ruling dealt a blow to China's extensive claims in the South China Sea. Beijing has refused to recognize the case and has chided any country telling it to abide by the ruling.
"I will not bargain anywhere, we will continue to insist that is ours," he told a news conference in his home city of Davao.
"The international tribunal decision will be taken up."
The unpredictable president's moves to strongly engage China, just a few months after an arbitral award that sparked fears in the region of a backlash by Beijing in the South China Sea, mark a striking reversal in Philippine foreign policy since he took office on June 30.
Duterte goes to China on Tuesday with at least 200 members of the Philippine business elite to pave the way for what he calls a new commercial alliance. Among the areas expected to be prioritized are financing for Philippine businesses, farm exports, major infrastructure investments and tourism.
It comes amid a torrent of anti-American comments by Duterte that have cast a cloud over a longstanding relationship with the United States.
While he continues to chastise and hurl abuse at Washington for expressing concern about his bloody war on drugs, he insists his strategic gambit is about abiding by a constitution that enshrines an independent foreign policy.
He spoke of his intention to "intensify" trade ties and work closer with China, but would not avoid discussing what is a bone of contention between them.
"There will be no hard impositions. We will talk, we will maybe paraphrase everything in the judgment and set the limits of our territories, the special economic zones," he said of meeting.
"It will be no bargaining. It is ours and many of you are wanting to ask the question. No bargaining."
Duterte's comments might rattle China, which has spoken glowingly about the new partnership, but may not want to hear about an international ruling that it lost comprehensively, and included the invalidation of the U-shaped "nine-dashed line" featured on Chinese maps and passports.
By Reuters/Martin Petty October 17, 2016 | 09:18 am GMT+7
Rodrigo Duterte will not "barter" away territory and economic rights.
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Sunday he would raise a controversial arbitral ruling on the South China Sea with China's leaders, and vowed not to surrender any sovereignty or deviate from the July award by the tribunal in The Hague.
Duterte said his trip to China this week represented a turning point in bilateral ties, but he acknowledged there was some public concern about his rapid rapprochement moves and reassured Filipinos that would not impact on the country's maritime sovereignty.
In comments that will not sit comfortably with the Chinese leadership, Duterte said the decision by the Permanent Court of Arbitration would be talked about and the parameters of the award would be discussed, but there would be no "hard imposition" of it.
The ruling dealt a blow to China's extensive claims in the South China Sea. Beijing has refused to recognize the case and has chided any country telling it to abide by the ruling.
"I will not bargain anywhere, we will continue to insist that is ours," he told a news conference in his home city of Davao.
"The international tribunal decision will be taken up."
The unpredictable president's moves to strongly engage China, just a few months after an arbitral award that sparked fears in the region of a backlash by Beijing in the South China Sea, mark a striking reversal in Philippine foreign policy since he took office on June 30.
Duterte goes to China on Tuesday with at least 200 members of the Philippine business elite to pave the way for what he calls a new commercial alliance. Among the areas expected to be prioritized are financing for Philippine businesses, farm exports, major infrastructure investments and tourism.
It comes amid a torrent of anti-American comments by Duterte that have cast a cloud over a longstanding relationship with the United States.
While he continues to chastise and hurl abuse at Washington for expressing concern about his bloody war on drugs, he insists his strategic gambit is about abiding by a constitution that enshrines an independent foreign policy.
He spoke of his intention to "intensify" trade ties and work closer with China, but would not avoid discussing what is a bone of contention between them.
"There will be no hard impositions. We will talk, we will maybe paraphrase everything in the judgment and set the limits of our territories, the special economic zones," he said of meeting.
"It will be no bargaining. It is ours and many of you are wanting to ask the question. No bargaining."
Duterte's comments might rattle China, which has spoken glowingly about the new partnership, but may not want to hear about an international ruling that it lost comprehensively, and included the invalidation of the U-shaped "nine-dashed line" featured on Chinese maps and passports.
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No, I am not breaking away from US – Duterte
October 19, 2016 PNA Nation 0
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President Rodrigo Duterte has clarified that he is not breaking away from the Philippines’ old ally United States. ”The basic question of the Filipinos – I know what’s in their mind, why is Duterte breaking away from the United States? No, I am not breaking away,” Duterte said in an exclusive interview with China Central Television (CCTV) before he left for a four-day state visit in China.
President Duterte said he just want to be friendly with other countries including Asian neighbor China. ”I just want to be friendly with anybody. You do not constrain, do not restrain me from doing business with China,” he said.
The Filipino leader said he was sincere in seeking stronger alliance with China as well as with Russia, which he might also visit within this year. ”I believe in sincerity and I believe in the basic fundamentals of human sincerity,” Duterte, who said his grandfather is a Chinese, said.
President Duterte said the Philippines should not be too constrained to follow the dictates of other countries.
Late last month, President Duterte said the joint US-Philippines military exercise that was held last October 7 was the last under his term.
The Philippines and the US signed Mutual Defense Treaty in 1951 and a Visiting Forces Agreement in 1998 that paved the way for the holding of annual joint military exercises or ‘Baliktan’ exercises.
President Duterte told the Beijing-based CCTV that the military exercises were ‘useless’ since the US brought their military equipment back to their country after the Baliktan exercises.
”During the military exercises, they allow us to use their equipment, their arms, their weaponry, their armaments but after the games, they get them back from us,” the President said.
”So if there is really an emergency or a sudden – with a flight of a finger – you want to assemble men, their computers, our armaments are simply not compatible. So what’s the use of going into these useless exercise when after all…” he added.
President Duterte said his pragmatic approach in establishing his own foreign policy is “the only way to move forward nowadays.”
Last Sunday, President Duterte left for Brunei for a three-day state visit and then proceeded to Beijing last Tuesday for his four-day state visit.
http://www.update.ph/2016/10/no-i-am-not-breaking-away-from-us-duterte/10428
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President Rodrigo Duterte has clarified that he is not breaking away from the Philippines’ old ally United States. ”The basic question of the Filipinos – I know what’s in their mind, why is Duterte breaking away from the United States? No, I am not breaking away,” Duterte said in an exclusive interview with China Central Television (CCTV) before he left for a four-day state visit in China.
President Duterte said he just want to be friendly with other countries including Asian neighbor China. ”I just want to be friendly with anybody. You do not constrain, do not restrain me from doing business with China,” he said.
The Filipino leader said he was sincere in seeking stronger alliance with China as well as with Russia, which he might also visit within this year. ”I believe in sincerity and I believe in the basic fundamentals of human sincerity,” Duterte, who said his grandfather is a Chinese, said.
President Duterte said the Philippines should not be too constrained to follow the dictates of other countries.
Late last month, President Duterte said the joint US-Philippines military exercise that was held last October 7 was the last under his term.
The Philippines and the US signed Mutual Defense Treaty in 1951 and a Visiting Forces Agreement in 1998 that paved the way for the holding of annual joint military exercises or ‘Baliktan’ exercises.
President Duterte told the Beijing-based CCTV that the military exercises were ‘useless’ since the US brought their military equipment back to their country after the Baliktan exercises.
”During the military exercises, they allow us to use their equipment, their arms, their weaponry, their armaments but after the games, they get them back from us,” the President said.
”So if there is really an emergency or a sudden – with a flight of a finger – you want to assemble men, their computers, our armaments are simply not compatible. So what’s the use of going into these useless exercise when after all…” he added.
President Duterte said his pragmatic approach in establishing his own foreign policy is “the only way to move forward nowadays.”
Last Sunday, President Duterte left for Brunei for a three-day state visit and then proceeded to Beijing last Tuesday for his four-day state visit.
http://www.update.ph/2016/10/no-i-am-not-breaking-away-from-us-duterte/10428
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Vietnamese so funny！！stop lie here my dude. Spratly and Paracel was controlled and part of Vietnam sovereignty from long time in the past .
claim and occupation of china is illegal.
Full map òf China KMT printed in China 1936. No where ís Spratly and Paracel Islands.
Map of the South China Sea in 1937
The South China Sea Islands of the Republic of China in 1946
The British "Thames Chinese atlas" page 115th South China Sea Islands map. The company published in September 1974
In 1964, Taiwan published the "Republic of China" Atlas, Hainan Special Administrative Region
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Chinese has newly fabricated your map by ROC recently. So why PCA ruling on SCS dispute has said that history sea territory and nine dashed line claim by China is illegal.
Vietnam map dated back to 1600s stated that Islands in Vietnam's East sea is sea territory of Vietnam.
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Vietnamese so funny！！Chinese has newly fabricated your map by ROC recently. So why PCA ruling on SCS dispute has said that history sea territory and nine dashed line claim by China is illegal.
Vietnam map dated back to 1600s stated that Islands in Vietnam's East sea is sea territory of Vietnam.
You should read more books.
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Vietnamese so funny！！
You should read more books.
Old books printed in China in the past, its said that there is Cochin (交趾) Sea (Vietnamese Sea)
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You requested too much on him. This guy even could NOT read the Vietnam ancient books. Because these books are unfortunately all in Chinese.Vietnamese so funny！！
You should read more books.
For example, the map he just pasted, the map is said to come from a booked called as: 天南四致路图书全集.
However, in another website organized by Vietnam government, nghiencuubiendong.vn, the same book is called as: 天南四志路图书募集. So the question is, this book can only have one name, but whether it is "天南四致路图书全集", or "天南四志路图书募集"?
No one knows.
What's more ridiculous is, for such an important book to support Vietnam's claim on the South China Sea, we actually don't know where is the original version of this book!! Again from the VN webpage mentioned, the website said "we now can only read the replicated versions of this book"!
Replicated!!! You know, every one can add his own flavor to the book during every round of replicate.
@kecho the content below comes from the link given. For the highlighted part, let me make a quick translation to you: for the book《天南四志路图书募集》and《天南四志路图书》, what we can read today, no matter in Vietnam, or in foreign countries, are all replicated versions created by the later generations.
http://nghiencuubiendong.vn/cn/basi...ocation-and-geography/721-2012-02-11-19-43-24
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It is said that Vietnam's ancient books are used in Chinese characters.
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kecho full time job is spreading lies all these years, he thinks posting these stuff will gain international recognition and support.
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Any case, the ancient book has stated clearly that the Islands does belong to Vietnam territory, part of Quang Ngai Province Vietnam.
kecho full time job is spreading lies all these years, he thinks posting these stuff will gain international recognition and support.
westerner scholars had recognized that Paracel and Spratly is part of territory Vietnam from long time ago.
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haha, a book with NO consistent name, and no one knows what the author said exactly in the original version! you even cite this as the core historic evidence for vn claim on the south China sea islands! what a strong and convincing proof! haha, enjoy your book.
btw, if you can pay me 100k dollar, I can create 10 similar books for you in one week.
