Some Geographical Advantage Points of Pakistan That May Effect The Outcome of Future War in Kashmir!

[Secularindian]

Our cities being close to the Indian border would be a huge benefit in war time for us. We can mobilize far more troops and equipment and much quicker to the frontlines than India can. If people are directly affected by war then they are more willing to react and involve themselves. Why would pakistan want to target south or eastern india? if we destroy your air/army bases in the north west theatre that would provide an area of denial to you guys were our army and airforce can pound targets in kashmir/punjab and even gujrat.

Source Wrong information

Indian jets would have to fly from air bases in the south or east which is far away from the war front in the north west. not only would most of the aircrafts fuel run out but very few of your planes would be capable of such missions. PAF doesnt have to target every indian airbase to establish air superiority over their theatre of operations.

Wrong Assumption Go through Air bases of IAF in western Air command

 

[The Maverick]

You cant win a war with ballistic missles .
They have little or no impact unless you go Nuclear.

Missles are used as nuclear detterant in the west or like battlefield artillary ifr used conventionally

To go into another country you need long range airpower
fast mobile mechanised infantry
complete or near complete air supremacy
And real time intel that is superior to the enemy

Can you imagine what the Rafales or MKI flankers would do to a pakistani army on the wrong side of the LOC
They would be pounded to hell.

" I think you are forgetting what happened to the northern light infantry over Kargil"

Crossing the LOC into indian Kashmir when you are outnumbered in the air and on land is no joke

 

[litman]

There is a FLIP SIDE to your geography advantage of Pakistan.

Most observers both neutral and Indian believe Pakistans geography is it biggest weakness

Firstly all of your major cities are close the the indo pak border. That means your industrial and commercial complex can be disrupted infact devastated in a war scenario.
Second Pakistan has no strategic depth to withdraw or regroup ie they way Russia did in WW2 with germany
Pakistan for the most part is flat land NO NATURAL barrier like india has the Himlayers dividing them from china.

In theory indians do not need to travel too far to cause serious disruption to Pakistan industrial and military complex.

in contrast indian industrial complex is wide spread ….your planes and missles will need to travel much further.

Remember India has three times the air bases naval bases radar stations brides roads rail links army barracks of Pakistan over 3 times the land mass.

pakistan needs far more time , planes missles etc to achieve the same damage.

* Infact a all out war 80% of indian and Indians will be unaffected by a war on the LOC and international boundry its too far. For majority Pakistanis it will be right on their door step since your major populous is Punjabi and in Punjab area.

what makes you think that it will be pak alone attacking india???

 

[The Maverick]

what makes you think that it will be pak alone attacking india???

If you bring your friends...…… Then we have to go

 

[THE DESERT FOX]

We captured Akhnoor in 65 but Yahya Khan bungled it up.[

We captured Akhnoor in 65 but Yahya Khan bungled it up.

we never occupied akhnoor, Maj Shabbirs 10th infantry brigade was waiting to on the prized akhnoor bridge but which would have cut off entire indian army in kashmir from the rest but they were pulled out and sent to the sialkot sector

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am deeply impressed with the Turkish hardware used in Libya and Syria, especially the UAVs. More power to Turkey inshallah, maybe we will get our hands on some of them.

ASELSAN, ROKETSAN etc. have opened their offices in Pak for a reason...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

we never occupied akhnoor, Maj Shabbirs 10th infantry brigade was waiting to on the prized akhnoor bridge but which would have cut off entire indian army in kashmir from the rest but they were pulled out and sent to the sialkot sector

The Akhnoor Debacle was not the doing on the troops on ground but rather jealousy.. the change of command in the middle of movement effected the whole operation.

If anything in 65, even indian Panjab was at Pakistani mercy (if even indian sources are to be believed).

Id recommend “Crossed Swords” if you guys want to read up on Pak Mil Comds stupidity..

 

[waz]

The Indian posters put down that they will roll into Punjab and Sind not realising that in Punjab there are now miles and miles of tank defences.
Pakistan's cities are close to the border but at the same time can resupply and rearm the war effort faster, due to higher turnover and shorter journey times. Pakistan's mobilisation of its entire armoured forces will be rapid.
Any push into Sind will be seen from miles and will expose the attacking Indian formations to a quick counter, and I haven't gone into the extreme conditions there with the Thar desert. The region also makes for excellent terrain to fire stand off missiles, long range artillery at attackers.

 

[THE DESERT FOX]

The Akhnoor Debacle was not the doing on the troops on ground but rather jealousy.. the change of command in the middle of movement effected the whole operation.

If anything in 65, even indian Panjab was at Pakistani mercy (if even indian sources are to be believed).

Id recommend “Crossed Swords” if you guys want to read up on Pak Mil Comds stupidity..

thank you very much for the recommendation.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The Indian posters put down that they will roll into Punjab and Sind not realising that in Punjab there are now miles and miles of tank defences.
Pakistan's cities are close to the border but at the same time can resupply and rearm the war effort faster, due to higher turnover and shorter journey times.
Any push into Sind will be seen from miles and will expose the attacking Indian formations to a quick counter, and I haven't gone into the extreme conditions there with the Thar desert. The region also makes for excellent terrain to fire stand off missiles, long range artillery at attackers.

People also forget irrigation system that will hinder any invasion, in 65 for example BRB became a barrier.

That said, as the indian poster pointed (arjun), to be honest nobody would be worried about arjun MBTs.. the best tank in indian inventory is the T-90.

thank you very much for the recommendation.

Imagine your spies tellin you that your enemy is preparing for an invasion.. and you casually brush the whole scenario under the carpet, only to regret later.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

If you bring your friends...…… Then we have to go

I have few videos of brilliant Indian missiles!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

what makes you think that it will be pak alone attacking india???

Everything, nobodys jumping into war for Pakistan. At max the Chinese (if they decide to help) would stick to flying some sorties along the LAC or perhaps build up along the border to intimidate indians to keep them occupied and from using their full might towards Pak.

 

[THE DESERT FOX]

People also forget irrigation system that will hinder any invasion, in 65 for example BRB became a barrier.

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That said, as the indian poster pointed (arjun), to be honest nobody would be worried about arjun MBTs.. the best tank in indian inventory is the T-90.

also pakistan has built various defence canals in and other regions in Rahim yar khan and other areas in the southern punjab where armoured thrusts are expected

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You cant win a war with ballistic missles .
They have little or no impact unless you go Nuclear.

Missles are used as nuclear detterant in the west or like battlefield artillary ifr used conventionally

To go into another country you need long range airpower
fast mobile mechanised infantry
complete or near complete air supremacy
And real time intel that is superior to the enemy

Can you imagine what the Rafales or MKI flankers would do to a pakistani army on the wrong side of the LOC
They would be pounded to hell.

" I think you are forgetting what happened to the northern light infantry over Kargil"

Crossing the LOC into indian Kashmir when you are outnumbered in the air and on land is no joke

You cant just roll down into lahore either.

Last time you guys tried it became a rather embarrassing episode. I.E, your GOC incharge had to run leaving his vehicle and hide in a sugar cane plantation..

That said, these areas are pretty built up, pill boxes, atgms, canals.. it wont be a walk in the park.

also pakistan has built various defence canals in and other regions in Rahim yar khan and other areas in the southern punjab where armoured thrusts are expected

Even BRB was constructed for the same reason.

The Indian posters put down that they will roll into Punjab and Sind not realising that in Punjab there are now miles and miles of tank defences.
Pakistan's cities are close to the border but at the same time can resupply and rearm the war effort faster, due to higher turnover and shorter journey times. Pakistan's mobilisation of its entire armoured forces will be rapid.
Any push into Sind will be seen from miles and will expose the attacking Indian formations to a quick counter, and I haven't gone into the extreme conditions there with the Thar desert. The region also makes for excellent terrain to fire stand off missiles, long range artillery at attackers.

14.2 bloody miles mate..

I chuckle when indians show pics of burki village as capturing lahore.

Burki is right on the border.

You cant win a war with ballistic missles .
They have little or no impact unless you go Nuclear.

Missles are used as nuclear detterant in the west or like battlefield artillary ifr used conventionally

Do you think we will just lobe a few on your cities? No our target will be your airbases, mil build up and strategic locations.. we dont need to target some mill in bihar.

To go into another country you need long range airpower
fast mobile mechanised infantry
complete or near complete air supremacy
And real time intel that is superior to the enemy

Can you imagine what the Rafales or MKI flankers would do to a pakistani army on the wrong side of the LOC
They would be pounded to hell.

Yes and we will simply not use our forces for defending?
Also do you think indian mil will deploy all its assets against Pak and leave the LAC open for the chinese? Just sayin.. you will have to tie up some strength for the chinese too.. now calculate the amount of air assets you can deploy against Pak & Paks numbers for a better tally.

" I think you are forgetting what happened to the northern light infantry over Kargil"

Crossing the LOC into indian Kashmir when you are outnumbered in the air and on land is no joke

Somebody here posted CIAs report regarding the fighting in kargil.

I believe they are also taught at US naval war college of all places.

You had to commit well over 30-35K troops against 12-1500 Pak NLI & civil combatants. NLI gave you hell and in the process without any Air support you did suffer shooting of your choppers and jets.

Also NLI was ill prepared, they had no winter clothing wearing regular jerseys/thermals and had no resupply or reinforcements.. no acclimatisation and constant battle took a toll..

But that also shows what how a few hundred paramilitary troops with bunkers made of stones and light weapons held off your troops for months.. Id suggest you read the report if you can find it ..

You cant win a war with ballistic missles .
They have little or no impact unless you go Nuclear.

Missles are used as nuclear detterant in the west or like battlefield artillary ifr used conventionally

To go into another country you need long range airpower
fast mobile mechanised infantry
complete or near complete air supremacy
And real time intel that is superior to the enemy

Can you imagine what the Rafales or MKI flankers would do to a pakistani army on the wrong side of the LOC
They would be pounded to hell.

" I think you are forgetting what happened to the northern light infantry over Kargil"

Crossing the LOC into indian Kashmir when you are outnumbered in the air and on land is no joke

Crux of the US report:

Total Pak deployment = 1700 (so much for the 5000000000000000 Pak casuality rate bragged by ---)

Unsuccessful raids by indian army-- heavy casualities inflicted by thinly (undermanned) deployed (NLI) soldiers.

NLI troops inflicted heavy casualities on 3 Indian regiments -- despite facing "thousands" of Indian troops ( Naga + Grenadiers + Sikh Regiments) + massive arty barrages (1200 rounds every 5 minutes) & air strikes.

NLI dominated Tiger Hill for months -- ill equipped,under manned (massively outnumbered and outgunned) low on ammo and food -- rolling down boulders on India troops entrenched on the base after failed raids.

NLI was armed with few MG-3s, 1x - 12.7 MG and limited RPGs. The total strength deployed on the hill was estimated to be less than 100 troops--- who remained on the hill continously for months-- without proper clothing and equipment -- exposed to elements --- in an altitude surviving weather itself was a miracle !

also pakistan has built various defence canals in and other regions in Rahim yar khan and other areas in the southern punjab where armoured thrusts are expected

US Report on Kargil.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a417318.pdf

 

[M.Bison]

I thought the Sindh's wetlands and desert would be hard for India to hit because it would be seen miles away. Wouldnt that force a land invasion through Punjab. Punjab is well fortified with cities really close together.. IDK why there are Indians here that think Pakistan would be a cakewalk.. no land or sea invasion to Balochistan. KPK only air raids. No invasion through Azad Kashmir because of the terrain. It would have already happened with the troop build up. Its best to just start crying bramos.. bramos and with that the nuclear war would start. India's economy can barely handle corona let alone a nuclear war. I guess Delhi Hindus should look into learning vindaloo and Tamil..

There is a reason why Bangladesh became separate.. it's not because you "secular" Hindus had a great heart. If you could you would have attacked Sindh and taken it over.