Solving Pakistan-India conflict with rational and realpolitikal approach!

[JustAnotherWomen]

I don't care what UNSC has to say about Kashmir. UN hasn't done anything helpful in Kashmir yet except fueling the fire. We need independent plebiscite, independent observers, and independent media. Why would the worlds largest democracy object to that?

Jiski lathi uski bhens to be very true. Le lo kashmir nahi de rahe.
As simple and as ilogical as that.


and with your definition of independent please wait till we find aliens.

This kind of reasoning is why Kashmiri issue is at a standstill. Indians don't want to hear anything from Pakistan about Kashmir.

You can't take Kashmiri out of their centuries owned land.

First no one is taking their land. Article 370
Second if we want we can...... Again jiski lathi uski bhens.

 

[Bang Galore]

This kind of reasoning is why Kashmiri issue is at a standstill. Indians don't want to hear anything from Pakistan about Kashmir.

You can't take Kashmiri out of their centuries owned land.

India is not interested in fulfilling your pipe dreams. The quicker you come to terms with that, the better. If you want something from India, have something to give. Bringing nothing to the table but your demands is ridiculous.

 

[ito]

This kind of reasoning is why Kashmiri issue is at a standstill. Indians don't want to hear anything from Pakistan about Kashmir.

You can't take Kashmiri out of their centuries owned land.

nobody is taking out kashmiris out of kashmir as nobody is taking out tamilian out of tamil nadu

 

[Norwegian]

If only it were that simple.

Most politicians on both sides would prefer to spend decades doing this instead:
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LOL. If only we could get (hypothetical world) these two great Khans elected at their respective countries throne, all our eternal problems could be solved in no-time:

So unless common values are inculcated there is no chance of peace...just my 2 cents

Its more than values. There is a clear lack of trust between both sides. Extremists rule in the media while political parties get their followers by throwing fuel on fire.

make LOC the Intentional Border...boom...all the problem between India and Pak are solved

Not exactly. Kashmir issue cannot be resolved by India and Pakistan alone withot the contribution of Kashmiris.

There is a solution if India allow independent media in IOK and independent UN observers and independent UN plebiscite for Kashmiris to vote on whichever country they want to join

Not going to happen. UN had put some demands such as removal of PakArmy and other tribesmen from entire conquered Kashmir, which they refused to, so India had no legal obligation to hold a plebiscite in its own conquered territory as well:
BBC NEWS
| South Asia
| Kashmir's forgotten plebiscite

peace at cost of territorial interest is unacceptable to any self respecting country, and more so for a country that as large, diverse and proud as india

Agreed. But I never understood what kind of territorial interest India might have in Kashmir, especially when it has to spend huge sums of money to maintain law and order in Muslim majority regions of occupied territory?

 

[IndoUS]

LOL. If only we could get (hypothetical world) these two great Khans elected at their respective countries throne, all our eternal problems could be solved in no-time:
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Its more than values. There is a clear lack of trust between both sides. Extremists rule in the media while political parties get their followers by throwing the fuel on fire.


Not exactly. Kashmir issue cannot be resolved by India and Pakistan alone with the contribution of Kashmiris.


Not going to happen. UN had put some demands such as removal of PakArmy and other tribesmen from entire conquered Kashmir, which they refused to, so India had no legal obligation to hold a plebiscite in its own conquered territory as well:
BBC NEWS
| South Asia
| Kashmir's forgotten plebiscite


Agreed. But I never understood what kind of territorial interest India might have in Kashmir, especially when it has to spend huge sums of money to maintain law and order in Muslim majority regions of occupied territory?

For the last part, it is resouces water is important for a growing country, and Kashmir has abundance of it. Why does Pakistan want Kashmir, it's for same reason majority of their water flows from Indian side of Kashmir.

 

[Bang Galore]

Agreed. But I never understood what kind of territorial interest India might have in Kashmir, especially when it has to spend huge sums of money to maintain law and order in Muslim majority regions of occupied territory?

Regardless of how it could have been different (in 1947-48), it is now very much a part of the national narrative in India. As are the North Eastern states which were even more alien culturally to the Indian mainstream. Kashmir is important for how India thinks of herself as a nation. Having propounded secularism, it would be disastrous for India to agree for partition / secession on religious grounds. That would immediately question the very narrative of the Indian state as secular because it would suggest that Muslims seek parity only if they are in a minority. There are North Eastern states with a Christian majority but on territorial integrity, India will never concede. Unless Pakistanis understand that (many reasonable people in Pakistan ask the same questions that you did, what purpose etc...), they will get nowhere. Pakistan will have to find a way to work with India without asking for territorial concessions, that would simply be a price that India is unwilling to pay.

 

[Icewolf]

For the last part, it is resouces water is important for a growing country, and Kashmir has abundance of it. Why does Pakistan want Kashmir, it's for same reason majority of their water flows from Indian side of Kashmir.

Don't worry bro holy Ganga, Brahmaputra and other major rivers of India are also controlled by a big player. You try anything with Indus we ask brother China to shut off water and make India desert

 

[Norwegian]

For the last part, it is resouces water is important for a growing country, and Kashmir has abundance of it. Why does Pakistan want Kashmir, it's for same reason majority of their water flows from Indian side of Kashmir.

Pakistan and India have signed some treaties on water sharing in the past from the rivers flowing through Kashmir. Yet, each year so much of excess water is lost in natural floods, and yet our incompetent politicians blame India for inducing these floods. How shameful is that!

 

[Bang Galore]

Pakistan and India have signed some treaties on water sharing in the past from the rivers flowing through Kashmir. Yet, each year so much of excess water is lost in natural floods, and yet our incompetent politicians blame India for inducing these floods. How shameful is that!

Especially when you consider the IWT is amongst the most generous treaties ever in favour of the lower riparian state.

 

[JustAnotherWomen]

Don't worry bro holy Ganga, Brahmaputra and other major rivers of India are also controlled by a big player. You try anything with Indus we ask brother China to shut off water and make India desert

and brother chinese will do that why?
when did china started taking orders from pakistan? (Is there a gazwa a republikaan of china too.... pls guys dont try it those guys are communist they will just fck you up at the first sight off such theory)
What china has to gain by siding with pakistan and loosing billion of dollars?

 

[Norwegian]

Pakistan will have to find a way to work with India without asking for territorial concessions, that would simply be a price that India is unwilling to pay

True. But I never understood why India let Bangladesh or former East Pakistan get independent when it could easily be part of Indian Union after fall of Dacca in 1971?

 

[MilSpec]

I don't care what UNSC has to say about Kashmir. UN hasn't done anything helpful in Kashmir yet except fueling the fire. We need independent plebiscite, independent observers, and independent media. Why would the worlds largest democracy object to that?

Wow, UNSC doesn't matter because it's not in interest of Pakistan... talk about hypocrisy

 

[ito]

Agreed. But I never understood what kind of territorial interest India might have in Kashmir, especially when it has to spend huge sums of money to maintain law and order in Muslim majority regions of occupied territory?

any compromise on territory in kashmir can have larger implication on integrity of indian union (with so many languages and ethinicties ). so any solution that may involve giving up territory is no going to happen

 

[Bang Galore]

True. But I never understood why India let Bangladesh or former East Pakistan get independent when it could easily be part of Indian Union after fall of Dacca in 1971?

By that time, the Indian state had a clear identity, neither East or West Pakistan would fit anymore. It's why when so many Pakistanis say that India hasn't come to terms with Pakistan, it can only elicits laughs. The proof is clear.1971-72 was that proof.

 

[JustAnotherWomen]

True. But I never understood why India let Bangladesh or former East Pakistan get independent when it could easily be part of Indian Union after fall of Dacca in 1971?

Because it would be like talakshuda biwi of pakistan which would neither be fully true to india nor to pakistan. Would be more problematic than solutions.