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Skewed Islamic culture hampers growth and success

Its amazing out of so many other things being discussed, you are stuck at fornication !

Look at Islamic societies like Malaysia, Turkey, Algeria, Jordan, Are you suggesting that these societies are making progress at the expense of easy sex ?

Fact of the matter is that it happens all over the world, happens in Pakistan as easy as anywhere else.
Fact again, that the nations which consume alcohol, drugs, "FORNICATE" are ahead of everyone in science and development. So may I request you to think beyond what exists between the legs ?

I am stating weaknesses of a culture that you consider superior to ours and worships unconditionally, just because they are superior technologically today doesn't mean that it will remain the case forever, all we need is unmatched will power and hard work and we will achieve far more what other cultures have achieved as of yet, just like how our ancestors did like Mohammad of Ghor and Mahmud of Ghaznavi, they also faced unfair odds and they achieved great success through hard work and sheer unmatched will power, considering your own culture, civilisation, history and historical heroes as inferior, being a sell out, being a whiny cry baby will not achieve greatness, hard work, unmatched resolve and clinging to what you believe in will.

If you do not respect Pakistan, your culture and civilisation what makes you think your enemy will garner any respect for you at all.
 
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WEF report: Bangladesh topmost in gender parity among South Asian countries
Tribune Desk
  • Published at 01:49 pm December 17th, 2019
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Bangladesh is also the only South Asian country in the list of global top 100 countries
Bangladesh has been ranked at the top among all South Asian countries for its achievements towards gender parity, a latest report by the World Economic Forum (WEF) states.

Being the only one in the top 100 among its South Asian neighbours, Bangladesh attained the 50th position out of 153 countries worldwide, according to the WEF report Global Gender Gap Report 2020 published on Tuesday.

The report said: "Reflecting the magnitude of the challenge when it comes to gender parity, Bangladesh (overall score of 72.6%) is the only one of the seven South Asian countries studied to feature in the top 100 of the Global Gender Gap Index.

"India ranks 112th (66.8%) and Pakistan (56.4%) is antepenultimate, only ahead of Iraq and Yemen."
Lauding Bangladesh's accomplishment in closing 72.6% of the overall gender gap, the report said this country is among the 10 countries where female head of states had a longer tenure for the past 50 years, adding that: "Bangladesh is the only country in the world where that number exceeds the number of years with a male head of state (25.6 compared with 24.4)."

However, the report also mentioned that there are only 8% of women in the cabinet and only 20% in the Bangladeshi parliament.

"But its presence in the top 50 and regional leadership should not hide the fact that there is considerable room to bolster basic rights of women and improve their economic and political prospects," the report added.

Two notches behind Bangladesh, on the 53rd position is the United States with a score of 72.4, according to the WEF report. It noted: "There has never been a woman president to date [in the United States]."

Table: The Global Gender Gap Index rankings in South Asian region, 2020


CountryRankScore
RegionalGlobal
Bangladesh1500.726
Nepal21010.680
Sri Lanka31020.680
India41120.668
Maldives51230.646
Bhutan61310.635
Pakistan71510.564

Gender workplace equality 257 years away

According to the report, women may have to wait more than two centuries for equality at work, showing gender inequality growing in workplaces worldwide despite increasing demands for equal treatment, reports AFP.

While women appear to be gradually closing the gender gap in areas such as politics, health and education, workplace inequality is not expected to be erased until the year 2276, the report said.

The organization, which gathers the global elite in the plush Swiss ski resort of Davos each year, said that the worldwide gender gap in the workplace had widened further since last year, when parity appeared to be only 202 years off.

WEF forecasted that it will take 99.5 years for women to achieve parity on average, down from the 108 years forecast in last year's report.

But while some sectors have shown improvements, others lag far behind. General parity "will take more than a lifetime to achieve," WEF acknowledged in a statement.

40% wage gap

Politics meanwhile is the domain where the least progress has been made to date, but it showed the biggest improvement in the past year.

Women in 2019 held 25.2% of parliamentary lower-house seats and 22.1% of ministerial positions, compared to 24.1% and 19% in 2018.

But when it comes to the workplace, the picture is less rosy.

The report, which looked at a variety of factors including opportunity and pay, said it would take 257 years before there was equality in the workplace.

It highlighted positive developments, like a general increase in the share of women among skilled workers and senior officials.

On average, only 55% of adult women are in the labor market today, compared to 78% for men, while women globally on average still make 40% less than men for similar work in similar positions.

The wage gap has been steadily shrinking in OECD countries over the past decade, but it has at the same time expanded in emerging and developing economies, the WEF report showed.

Global disparities

Progress across the categories varies greatly in different countries and regions.

The report pointed out that while Western European countries could close their overall gender gap in 54.4 years, countries in the Middle East and North Africa will take nearly 140 years to do so.

Overall, the Nordic countries once again dominated the top of the table: men and women were most equal in Iceland, followed by Norway, Finland and Sweden.

Syria, Pakistan, Iraq and finally Yemen showed the biggest overall gender gaps of the countries surveyed.

Among the world's 20 leading economies, Germany fared the best, taking 10th place, followed by France at 15th, South Africa at 17th, Canada at 19th and Britain at 21st.

The United States continued its decline, slipping two places to 53rd, with the report pointing out that "American women still struggle to enter the very top business positions", and are also "under-represented in political leadership roles."

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OP-ED: Empowering women to empower Bangladesh
Anusha Islam Raha
  • Published at 03:24 am April 20th, 2021
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Certain systemic limitations continue to hold back Bangladeshi women.

It may be right to say that women are not only the backbone of a family but a whole nation because for long, we have witnessed the women of this country selflessly contribute their blood and sweat for the development, freedom, and virtue of Bangladesh.

However, because we fail to empower these very women, today, nearly 85% of Bangladeshi women are involved in unpaid household chores or in the informal sector.

Amidst this ensuing domesticity, some “womenpreneurs” of Bangladesh, however, proved themselves, making their mark with stellar achievements and laudable contributions to the economic sector. The consequent rise in numbers of women entrepreneurs in Bangladesh is therefore indicating a much needed and welcome development.

But we cannot afford to forget that there still remain some structural challenges in the field of women entrepreneurship and limitations to the kind of empowerment women receive from our society. These sometimes happen to be the larger barrier that prevents the adequate representation of women in Bangladesh and imposes an invisible ceiling that they must break.

Such limitations exist in the economic, social, psychological and/or educational limbs of women empowerment, hence, adequate implementation of policies that will enhance women entrepreneurship in Bangladesh is vital.

Economic limitations

By far, the most obvious challenge for budding and existing women entrepreneurs is obtaining finance. A vicious cycle exists wherein women are judged by the rate of the performance and are not given sufficient loans or venture capital funds for their start-ups because of the absence of a credit history.

On the contrary, men who are judged by their potential can demand or are voluntarily given a much higher amount for similar start-ups whereas women-owned enterprises are often discouraged and many start-ups remain as ideas in a scrap book.

Thus, policies should be made to encourage banks to lend sufficient funds to women entrepreneurs, preferably at a lesser interest rate. The implementation of this policy could be ensured by higher officials at banks or even by NGOs. Crowdfunding programs and niche loan programs could also be promoted to increase women entrepreneurship.

Social, cultural, and psychological limitations

Stereotypically, society often ends up being the worst enemies of women -- teaching us to be cruel to a young girl with big dreams rather than empowering her to flourish and fulfil her aspirations. This adversely affects the psychology of a female and is likely to crush her self-confidence.

This culture can be changed by enacting policies that will enable males and females to see each other as equals eg through therapy, consultations, group meetings, etc. However, to be brutally honest, women are doing men a favour by asking for mere equality and not more because, as the court correctly pointed out in the case of Shamima Sultana vs Bangladesh: “To eradicate the difficulties and the consequent evils of inequality faced continuously by a woman at home and in her daily life, a further leeway of leverage, in her favour, in order to balance these hindrances, is required” indicating the need for positive actions.

In some societies of Bangladesh, women are also tortured for which they could file cases under the Paribarik Shohingshota (Protirodh O Shurokkha) Ain (Domestic Violence Protection Ordnance) of 2010. However, this does not impose a fine or a term of imprisonment. It merely provides some orders.

Contrarily, the Nari O Shishu Nirjatan Daman Ain 2000 (Women and Children Abuse Act 2000) provides stricter punishments for domestic violence such as death sentence or life imprisonment, but these punishments are exclusive to domestic violence resulting from unfulfilled dowry demands.

The pragmatic consequences of such incomplete laws are unsatisfactory remedies for women who faced domestic violence not because of dowry but simply because she came home late from work.

Therefore, this lack of support, both from family and law, will do the opposite of empowering women. To boost women’s confidence and have a positive psychological impact on them, change in these laws and proper implementation of new supportive laws is imperative.

Another social problem negatively affecting the psychology of women is workplace harassment/abuse. Consequences of these inhumane attitudes towards women at workplaces can be envisaged as disempowerment of women. Therefore, office management should impose and implement policies that ensure the safety of women.

Educational limitation

Most girls in rural areas are deprived of proper education due to a lack of proper schools, transport/roads, and finance, in addition to household chores or natural disasters. Currently, a lack of phones or communication services also prevents students from doing online classes.

Therefore, many of these girls lack the minimum education required to attain higher education for high-paid jobs. Therefore, provision and ensuring continuity of education of girls is of utmost importance.

Mobilization of rural women by NGOs has also played a crucial role in spreading awareness about programs that facilitate the participation of women as entrepreneurs at grass-root levels.

What remains a matter of concern though, is the lack of implementation of these awareness campaigns as Covid-19 has halted the lives and the livelihoods of millions.

Conclusively, it is crucial for us to comprehend that while women entrepreneurs of Bangladesh have, in some cases, broken barriers with their innovative spirits and proved themselves as fearless tigresses, we as a country must eradicate all the aforementioned limitations to ensure women empowerment.

Anusha Islam Raha is an LLM Graduate and a writes for the International and Comparative Law Journal.
 
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I am going to discuss a prominent but overlooked reason for the downward spiral faced by majority of muslims nations.

A boy is raised different than a girl, at least from grade 8, or puberty on wards if not before.

This is manifested primarily in the concept of "chadar and chaar diwari" that restricts girls when it comes to exposure and by large over riding any influence that internet may have positively.

The male child at the same time, is exposed to the world and develops personality traits which are based on the foreign influences. Thus causing a gulf between the female and male child.

From henceforth until graduation the male child keeps experiencing and developing newer experiencing, and the gulf between the male and female keeps increasing.

The rude awakening to reality comes when it time for marriage, and the family sets a match based on what they think the boy and the girl are like, and what they aspire. This maybe true in case of a female child, but is not the case in case of the male child who has had strong influences since he went past grade 10.

The girl's vision is mostly restricted to the "home" and considers the home her universe and battle space should her position be challenged or she should choose to challenge the mother or sisters in law.

This creates a funny and unfortunate relationship, which is possible to continue only if the boy giveup and surrenders what he has learned ( right or wrong) or face the hell that the women create due to their refusal to accept or change.

The 50% of the population's inability to change, eventually drags the whole society down, impeding growth or exploration of newer paradigms.

Share your thoughts please.

This is nothing more than a stupid apologetic analysis that libturds put forward. Blame everything on religion when actually ppl like OP doesnt know anything about religion. Just coz ur culture is hypocrite and backward, doesnt mean its fault of Islam. There is no Islam in Pakistan or the dominant punjabi culture. Do u even know the meaning of chadar and char diwari? The original concept is to save urs and ur mother sisters honor but i know u libturds dont want that.
Islam allowed women to go to mosques, umme Ayesha RA was a teacher of muslims. You do not need to mix boys and girls to develop, u dont need to reduce clothes of women to develop, that is a stupid and dumb mentality of filthy libturds. Is ur role model of open society that of france? Lolz thanks but u can shove that development up ur existence.
 
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I am going to discuss a prominent but overlooked reason for the downward spiral faced by majority of muslims nations.

A boy is raised different than a girl, at least from grade 8, or puberty on wards if not before.

This is manifested primarily in the concept of "chadar and chaar diwari" that restricts girls when it comes to exposure and by large over riding any influence that internet may have positively.

The male child at the same time, is exposed to the world and develops personality traits which are based on the foreign influences. Thus causing a gulf between the female and male child.

From henceforth until graduation the male child keeps experiencing and developing newer experiencing, and the gulf between the male and female keeps increasing.

The rude awakening to reality comes when it time for marriage, and the family sets a match based on what they think the boy and the girl are like, and what they aspire. This maybe true in case of a female child, but is not the case in case of the male child who has had strong influences since he went past grade 10.

The girl's vision is mostly restricted to the "home" and considers the home her universe and battle space should her position be challenged or she should choose to challenge the mother or sisters in law.

This creates a funny and unfortunate relationship, which is possible to continue only if the boy giveup and surrenders what he has learned ( right or wrong) or face the hell that the women create due to their refusal to accept or change.

The 50% of the population's inability to change, eventually drags the whole society down, impeding growth or exploration of newer paradigms.

Share your thoughts please.
In which century are you living bro?
 
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In which century are you living bro?
He is living in the 21st century buddy...the century where mullahs still call girls as "half brained" creatures based on false ahadith and are now getting bombed by the "half brained" creatures from the kafir side flying jet fighters while our Muslim girls are forced to remain under developed!!!
 
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He is living in the 21st century buddy...the century where mullahs still call girls as "half brained" creatures based on false ahadith and are now getting bombed by the "half brained" creatures from the kafir side flying jet fighters while our Muslim girls are forced to remain under developed!!!

KU, IBA and Dow must be in Zimbabwe, right?

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Someone made this university because foreign girls were so fond of studying in Pakistan

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KU, IBA and Dow must be in Zimbabwe, right?

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Someone made this university because foreign girls were so fond of studying in Pakistan

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oh for GOD'S sakes make...has this REALLY been the norm for our girls for the last few centuries??? what you are showing right now is at BEST a 50 year old phenomenon and has NOT reached the majority of the female population of either Pakistan or other mainstream Muslim nations. Just look at the disparity of even high school/intermediate level education of women in the west vs. women in Muslim nations...then couple that with the brow beaten saying in our average house holds that "larkiyan to parai hi hoti hain, parha kay kia karain gey, ghar garasti aur bawarchi khaana sambhaal na sikhao aur bas"...unfortunately THAT is the mainsteam thinking and it is vhemently promoted by the mainstream mullahs! I mean why do I even have explain that, it is PLAINLY visible everywhere in Pakistan and else where in Muslim communities...DUH!!!
 
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I saw several pages of debates going on but very few who touched on the real issue (my view) why Muslim nations are backward.

We are at the same stage (or even more backward) being Islamic nations (on the subject of emancipation of women) today than at the time of Muhammad (SAW), our prophet. He had no issue marrying a businesswoman. Islam at that time laid out very advanced rules for women's independence from men, far more advanced than many other religions.

Situation is unfortunately reversed today. We Muslims have let our cultural biases today take over and (in backward village situations especially, feel that women "are precious" should be "protected as chattel".

Well - there will be no developing Muslim nations if half of the workforce sits at home, slaving over meals and making babies at spare time. Overpopulation is a dangerous curse for many Muslim countries.

The idea in Bangladesh (as floated by BNP back in the day, early eighties) was to encourage women's education so they can gain income self-sufficiency. Instead of sitting at home and finally getting married off at 14 or 16, young women were encouraged to attend school, in exchange of sacks of rice to the families. There were (and still are) more girls than boys in primary, secondary education levels in Bangladesh. For families, they now understand that a woman wage-earner actually helps the family before (and even after) marriage.

We were lucky in Bangladesh that we needed massive numbers of women seamstresses for the apparel industries in the early 80's and these secondary-educated women joined the workforce in great numbers, ensuring their own financial independence. The picture for women changed forever in Bangladesh.

A welcome side benefit was the lowering of fertility rates when women became wage earners, which is currently is lower than India. India was never our benchmark, but this is to placate Bhakt propaganda about Bangladeshi Muslims having more babies than Hindus. Bangladesh will eventually need this crucial lowering of population as the GDP and exports go up further, all of which worked in harmonious interdependent fashion.

The lesson from all this is societal attitudes about women being dependents of men and being chattels need to change in Muslim nations. Our holy book and Sunnah is not in disagreement on this.

Of course I am not talking about middle class on up - I'm talking about lower middle class, and on downward.


This, a very superficial understanding of matters at hand... conversely the western interpretation, insinuation or deprecation. The substance gets muddled in word salad, gibberish, euphoria and aims of a utopia.
Western aim is a contributing collection of citizens, whose every effort is monetized and state his/her lord, a demigod...
A family not a unit but an effort of some consenting otherwise intimate citizens to initiate others(offspring(s)) into an age appropriate for them to be another set of economic citizens... them like other collective efforts pay as they grow for those who've done their part.
Motherhood monetized creates a bunch of economic activity, jobs etc. ... such as a daycare, childcare and associated products and services, schools as the second tier to daycare and onwards, restaurants(café, bistros and dinners), cleaning ladies, nannies, TV dinners and canned foods... just to name a few. And, alternatively the woman being a productive member works minimum wage as a cashier.
Remember female emancipation and women's rights are very loaded terms with lots of thought, denizens of books and deliberation.
That thought and it's resultant chains have effectively taken away the options from a young female... who has no other way but to work... however menial it maybe or how insignificant the pay!

Coming back, Muslim women have been wrongfully assumed to submissive and disenfranchised... they're anything but! From historical perspective to this day... they're forces of nature and strong personalities... They unlike western females "have options"! They DO NOT have to work!
They haven't monetized their home ... they perform much needed, multi level and eminently more significant work that rightfully doesn’t translate into economic activity for the state, BUT THEIR HOMES!
They can still as needed may work for a monetary compensation, but their work as in for Men is not mandated.
Here the mandate of economic welfare for family as a UNIT is well defined and assigned.

We are looking at things through different prism...
It should become imminently apparent to Muslims trying to ape western ideals, that they should know, the two are fundamentally different...
 
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This, a very superficial understanding of matters at hand... conversely the western interpretation, insinuation or deprecation. The substance gets muddled in word salad, gibberish, euphoria and aims of a utopia.
Western aim is a contributing citizen, whose every effort is monetized and state his/her lord, a demigod...
A family not a unit but an effort of some citizens to initiate others into at an age appropriate for them to be another set of economic citizens... them like other collective efforts pay as they grow for those who've done their part.
Motherhood monetized creates a bunch of economic activity, jobs etc. ... such as a daycare, childcare and associated products and services, schools as the second tier to daycare and onwards, restaurants(café, bistros and dinners), cleaning ladies, nannies, TV dinners and canned foods... just to name a few. And, alternatively the woman being a productive member works minimum wage as a cashier.
Remember female emancipation and women's rights are very loaded terms with lots of thought, denizens of books and deliberation.
That thought and it's resultant chains have effectively taken away the options from a young female... who has no other way but to work... however menial it maybe or how insignificant the pay!

Coming back, Muslim women have been wrongfully assumed to submissive and disenfranchised... they're anything but! From historical perspective to this day... they're forces of nature and strong personalities... They unlike western females "have options"! They DO NOT have to work!
They haven't monetized their home ... they perform much needed, multi level and eminently more significant work that rightfully doesn’t translate into economic activity for the state, BUT THEIR HOMES!
They can still as needed may work for a monetary compensation, but their work as in for Men is not mandated.
Here the mandate of economic welfare for family as a UNIT is well defined and assigned.

We are looking at things through different prism...
It should become imminently apparent to Muslims trying to ape western ideals, that they should know, the two are fundamentally different...

Bhaisaab - I appreciate your wisdom of course, but two incomes in a family are better than one, any day. Money is at the root of all betterments in societal and even religious pursuits. Without money one cannot build mosques. Having money does not make folks any less religious in our cultural setting.

No one is asking Bangladeshi apparel worker women to stop wearing their modest clothing (or even Hijaab) or to stop being mothers, but money is a necessity, even more so for lower income families. I'd say 85 to 90% of the apparel workers in Bangladesh, while lower middle class - have kept their religious values as Muslims. Women can do very little (adding value to the economy) by sitting at home.
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Their rights as mothers, and responsibilities/honor as wives/daughters are mostly protected (the factories mostly have clinics and day care for the infants and meals).

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This is 2021. If we are always suspicious of the West and keep blaming them for all ills we ourselves face and for the limits that we ourselves create as Muslims in our countries then that is a very sad commentary on ourselves, not anyone else.

@Indos what is the cultural dichotomy about Muslim women working in Indonesia, and societal mores restricting women outside the home? Is it believed that they can add more value to the economy being home-bound mothers?

Ultimately - I am quite open to any actual better ideas and successes thereof from other Muslim countries in providing better employment and futures for their worker populace other than what I have noted. We in Bangladesh will emulate them as necessary, just like we have emulated those from Tiger economies in South East Asia.
 
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Is it not unfortunate, that in 4 pages, people have equated my thoughts to liberalism, fornication, attack on Islam etc etc.
The thought of a well educated and positive character in society immediately rang bells in a lot of people's minds and they out-poured their little insecurities, and almost all of these gents have used religion to mask their intent.


This is a living proof of how religion is misused; and how our society will continue to suffer.
I am going to do another thread, on how religion is misused to keep the masses ill educated; because clearly there is a correlation.




This is nothing more than a stupid apologetic analysis that libturds put forward. Blame everything on religion when actually ppl like OP doesnt know anything about religion. Just coz ur culture is hypocrite and backward, doesnt mean its fault of Islam. There is no Islam in Pakistan or the dominant punjabi culture. Do u even know the meaning of chadar and char diwari? The original concept is to save urs and ur mother sisters honor but i know u libturds dont want that.
Islam allowed women to go to mosques, umme Ayesha RA was a teacher of muslims. You do not need to mix boys and girls to develop, u dont need to reduce clothes of women to develop, that is a stupid and dumb mentality of filthy libturds. Is ur role model of open society that of france? Lolz thanks but u can shove that development up ur existence.

Your choice of words and language is a manifestation of a lot of problems; education being foremost and young age / lack of experience being second.
 
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Bhaisaab - I appreciate your wisdom of course, but two incomes in a family are better than one, any day. Money is at the root of all betterments in societal and even religious pursuits. Without money one cannot build mosques. Having money does not make folks any less religious in our cultural setting.

No one is asking Bangladeshi apparel worker women to stop wearing their modest clothing (or even Hijaab) or to stop being mothers, but money is a necessity, even more so for lower income families. I'd say 85 to 90% of the apparel workers in Bangladesh, while lower middle class - have kept their religious values as Muslims. Women can do very little (adding value to the economy) by sitting at home.
iu


Their rights as mothers, and responsibilities/honor as wives/daughters are mostly protected (the factories mostly have clinics and day care for the infants and meals).

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This is 2021. If we are always suspicious of the West and keep blaming them for all ills we ourselves face and for the limits that we ourselves create as Muslims in our countries then that is a very sad commentary on ourselves, not anyone else.

@Indos what is the cultural dichotomy about Muslim women working in Indonesia, and societal mores restricting women outside the home? Is it believed that they can add more value to the economy being home-bound mothers?

Ultimately - I am quite open to any actual better ideas and successes thereof from other Muslim countries in providing better employment and futures for their worker populace other than what I have noted. We in Bangladesh will emulate them as necessary, just like we have emulated those from Tiger economies in South East Asia.

Well Today many women work in Indonesia and it is true that some male have conservative mind set when it comes to their wife, both my older brothers ask their wifes not to work with other people, and this is why my oldest brother wife become entrepreneur in real estate business so she has freedom to take care her young childs.

One of my cousin who has good carrier in state owned bank also now staying at home since her husband ask her to take care the family but the husband has good income already as bank branch manager.

But there are also many examples where the male allow their wife to work. So it depends, but mostly male will allow his wife become entrepeneur where the business can be managed at home, just like what happen with Indonesia E-Commerce revolution who benefit many micro and small business owners,many are female entrepreneur.

Lower and Middle income male also will likely allow their wife to work in Indonesia as usually they married with the women which have similar economic structure and education and they see more income from their wifes as something useful, but it will depend on the female, if the female wants to stay at home so they will also gladly accept that

This lady mother is a maid and she only have education until elementary school but can be successful by doing online business


Practically many women do work in Indonesia and you can see their representation during rush hour in MRT enterance Jakarta, this is in business distric region (Sudirman), you can see many female workers there....

 
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Is it not unfortunate, that in 4 pages, people have equated my thoughts to liberalism, fornication, attack on Islam etc etc.
The thought of a well educated and positive character in society immediately rang bells in a lot of people's minds and they out-poured their little insecurities, and almost all of these gents have used religion to mask their intent.

This is a living proof of how religion is misused; and how our society will continue to suffer.
I am going to do another thread, on how religion is misused to keep the masses ill educated; because clearly there is a correlation.

Your choice of words and language is a manifestation of a lot of problems; education being foremost and young age / lack of experience being second.

Brother - some folks obviously have their minds made up. Which is their right.

As a Bangladeshi my thoughts may not echo those of most folks in Pakistan, where people may be a bit more Islamic minded and conservative.

I believe Indonesia is rather open and liberal as an Islamic country.

Bangladesh lies somewhere in between.

I find it really curious that Subcontinental males (whether Hindu or Muslim) are rather protective about "allowing" their female family members to participate in the workplace above a certain class/income level. This is often seen as a question of "Izzat" or family honor.

But at or below lower middle class of course it does not matter, which is the Bangladesh situation currently.

There are many female business leaders in Bangladesh (CEO's), and of course the president and the leader of the opposition happens to be female as well.

I don't know if such leadership situations would be allowed in Pakistan.
 
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Well Today many women work in Indonesia and it is true that some male have conservative mind set when it comes to their wife, both my older brothers ask their wifes not to work with other people, and this is why my oldest brother wife become entrepreneur in real estate business so she has freedom to take care her young childs.

One of my cousin who has good carrier in state owned bank also now staying at home since her husband ask her to take care the family but the husband has good income already as bank branch manager.

But there are also many examples where the male allow their wife to work. So it depends, but mostly male will allow his wife become entrepeneur where the business can be managed at home, just like what happen with Indonesia E-Commerce revolution who benefit many micro and small business owners,many are female entrepreneur.

Lower and Middle income male also will likely allow their wife to work in Indonesia as usually they married with the women which have similar economic structure and education and they see more income from their wifes as something useful, but it will depend on the female, if the female wants to stay at home so they will also gladly accept that

This lady mother is a maid and she only have education until elementary school but can be successful by doing online business


Practically many women do work in Indonesia and you can see their representation during rush hour in MRT enterance Jakarta, this is in business distric region (Sudirman), you can see many female workers there....


Many Thanks for your long post brother, will reply Insha Allah when I have more time. It is late here in LA. :-)
 
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Is it not unfortunate, that in 4 pages, people have equated my thoughts to liberalism, fornication, attack on Islam etc etc.
The thought of a well educated and positive character in society immediately rang bells in a lot of people's minds and they out-poured their little insecurities, and almost all of these gents have used religion to mask their intent.


This is a living proof of how religion is misused; and how our society will continue to suffer.
I am going to do another thread, on how religion is misused to keep the masses ill educated; because clearly there is a correlation.






Your choice of words and language is a manifestation of a lot of problems; education being foremost and young age / lack of experience being second.

Well people with hidden agenda dont like it when bluntly exposed. You are one of those. Your choice of words also expose ur inner filth and prejudice against Islam and our culture. People like u are mental slaves of the west and their filthy culture. It also shows ur lack of education outside that of western culture and ur lack of common understanding or history. People like u are the ones who instantly become slaves and loyal servants of the enskavers.
The very fact that u criticise a noble culture of chadar and char dewari shows u may as well be a faggot and protesting for homosexuality. You think the western society is superior and better shows how naive u are. Having lived in western society i say no matter how backward, we still are a thousand times better than that filth. People like u propagating western culture are the reason our society is going down the drain.
The thought of well educated and positive character?? Typical words used by western chamchas to gain moral high ground.. well educated means shun ur culture n become chamcha of west? With ur logic, u must think of urself as too well educated lolz.
 
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@Bilal9 has put forward a good case in hand where gender parity is better than India and Pakistan and Bangladesh development speaks volumes about it. Now we can use this case and talk about other countries so we can reach a conclusion.
Well i agree that skewed religious culture is the reason for this problem in our country.
 
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