Six new submarines to be built in India in Rs 50,000 crore project

[sancho]

I think we should stick to any one DCNS or Navantia design (S80 Super Scorpene or this SMX Ocean, if it is offered).

We already have 3 different breeds of conventional subs from 3 different sources. I know the S80 has some problems
but come on..!

The Scorpenes and the P75I are meant to replace the older subs, so we can end up with a single or 2 types of SSKs at the end after phasing out U209 and Kilos. Yes the S80s are reportedy facing troubles and their AIP system isn't ready and proven now. Given the financial issues of Spain today, funds for further developments might be an issue too, so I have my doubts on that sub. But now the Germans and the French can offer a sub with both, AIP and VLS, although I wonder if we could buy the Barracuda class now and fit an own nuclear propulsion to it, which so far was only possible with Scorpene hulls.

 

[Gessler]

The Scorpenes and the P75I are meant to replace the older subs, so we can end up with a single or 2 types of SSKs at the end after phasing out U209 and Kilos. Yes the S80s are reportedy facing troubles and their AIP system isn't ready and proven now. Given the financial issues of Spain today, funds for further developments might be an issue too, so I have my doubts on that sub. But now the Germans and the French can offer a sub with both, AIP and VLS, although I wonder if we could buy the Barracuda class now and fit an own nuclear propulsion to it, which so far was only possible with Scorpene hulls.

Yes but we're constantly learning a lot in constructing one type of SSK, and then losing all the know-how as we
go to build an entirely different SSK platform. We could have easily build improved versions of U209 considering we
already had the license, and then directly gone for an AIP SSK from same supplier (HDW), would've saved quite
a LOT of trouble, time & money.

We are indeed running the risk of losing a lot of time again if we go for a different class of subs (other than S80),
but the whole situation appears quite cocky - we might have no choice if the problems don't sort out. I would say
scrapping P-75I and just ordering a further batch of 6-9 Scorpenes, this time with MESMA Fuel Cell AIP, or the
DRDO one, if it actually works out. An SLCM version of the BrahMos-M that can fit in the TTubes should solve the
missiles problem without need for VLS (considering underwater applications has been mentioned in BrahMos-M poster).

Yes, Barracuda is indeed said to be among the foreign designs being considered for the SSN project (for which 6 subs
have recently been outlined, and between 9 to 18 could be built in future). The displacement requirement is said to be
in the region of 5,000 tons, which perfectly fits for the Barracuda. The pumpjet propulsion and the sleek body should
be it's winning points.

But it may be rejected in favour of a downscaled Arihant design. Either way the N-reactor & armament will have to be
indigenous.

 

[Agent_47]

@Gessler @sancho What is the real reason for not issuing RFP?
Everyone is aware we are too late still no action , i just don't understand.

 

[sudhir007]

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Exclusive: DCNS will unveil the SMX OCEAN at Euronaval 2014: A Conventional (SSK) Barracuda

Interesting, so DCNS might develop a counter to the German U216, with the delays, we might see more modern subs on offer, rather than the Scorpene or U214.

there is so many new submarine in the line for P-75I
what is best to shoot IN
U-216, SMX, Russian Kalina, or Soryu......
@sancho @he-man @desert warrior @Skull and Bones @anant_s @Abingdonboy

 

[he-man]

there is so many new submarine in the line for P-75I
what is best to shoot IN
U-216, SMX, Russian Kalina, or Soryu......
@sancho @he-man @desert warrior @Skull and Bones @anant_s @Abingdonboy

should continue with scorpenes,,,,otherwise 10 more years will be wasted.
Order 2-3 upgraded scorpenes with aip from france and make the rest here.

Anything else is a stupid idea.

 

[he-man]

But as usual we will deviate from common sense and shoot ourselves in foot again

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But as usual we will deviate from common sense and shoot ourselves in foot again

Why? DRDO is making them?

 

[he-man]

Why? DRDO is making them?

Exactly,,,as i said another 10 years will be wasted then

 

[anant_s]

agree with @he-man Paaji!
Let us get French on-board and try to get AIP on existing Scorpenes.
With a massive value and offset clauses, and Indian shipyard in process of absorbing French technology, it would be prudent to have a common product. It will also help in easing maintenance and spares later and just may be can use this experience for our larger N Subs, the way Brazil is said to have done.
Also the need of the hour is to quickly induct more subs, any new technology will only delay the matters further.

 

[Yeti]

Makes sense to go for a modified version of the scorpenes fitted with AIP, 3 of which would be build in France and the reminding 3 in India if we want to speed up the process but this will not happen now with the current administration.

 

[he-man]

agree with @he-man Paaji!
Let us get French on-board and try to get AIP on existing Scorpenes.
With a massive value and offset clauses, and Indian shipyard in process of absorbing French technology, it would be prudent to have a common product. It will also help in easing maintenance and spares later and just may be can use this experience for our larger N Subs, the way Brazil is said to have done.
Also the need of the hour is to quickly induct more subs, any new technology will only delay the matters further.

Also scorpenes are no slouch,,,so its not even a bad decision for navy.
They are advanced enough for pakistan and china.

The thing of importance is speed of induction

Makes sense to go for a modified version of the scorpenes fitted with AIP, 3 of which would be build in France and the reminding 3 in India if we want to speed up the process but this will not happen now with the current administration.

It should happen man,,,otherwise we are gonna waste a hell of time

 

[anant_s]

but this will not happen now with the current administration.

absolutely. Its about time we consider the age and number of existing fleet size and be practical. I would even suggest 4+2 mix for P 75I. the sooner the navy gets the subs the better.

Also scorpenes are no slouch,,,so its not even a bad decision for navy.

Pretty good actually.

 

[he-man]

I won't even mind an off the shelf purchase this time,,all 6.
About time we start indigenous ssk on our own too.

 

[kaykay]

should continue with scorpenes,,,,otherwise 10 more years will be wasted.
Order 2-3 upgraded scorpenes with aip from france and make the rest here.

Anything else is a stupid idea.

Agree here. Buy another 6 scorpenes with AIP/Indigenous AIP if ready and focus on building SSN which is eventually planned.

 

[he-man]

Agree here. Buy another 6 scorpenes with AIP/Indigenous AIP if ready and focus on building SSN which is eventually planned.

Nice today everyone agrees with me...........