Should ' West" be dropped from West Bengal ?

[livingdead]

Sure, but first do a reverse ghar wapsi.

 

[Avisheik]

Personally I am against renaming states / Cities/ Towns but while reading a report on WB it occurred to me that calling the state ' West" Bengal is superfluous.

There is no ' East' Bengal anymore. At least the only East Bengal I know is a famed football club whom I was a great follower of - besides Mohammedan Sporting.

Why shouldn't " West" be dropped and the province be called Bengal ?

This may rankle people from BD as they consider themselves the custodians for Bengal .

May I have your views please ?

@nair @Nair saab @bongbang @Abingdonboy @Bang Galore @genmirajborgza786 @WAJsal @SpArK @levina @asad71

IMO, there is no need to change the name of west bengal to bengal.

To me west bengal means the western part of the ethnic-linguistic region of bengal, it does not matter if there is a east bengal or not. Changing the west bengal name to just bengal would only complicate matters as the eastern part of bengal contributed greatly to the formation and development of bengali culture. Renaming west bengal to just bengal sounds like the ethno-linguistic borders have shrunk.

I dont consider BD as custodian of bengali culture but rather a independent contributor to the culture.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

To call it self Bengal it must secede from India and join Bangladesh the appropriate name for the Bengal region ...

 

[third eye]

What about East Punjab ? or Uttar Pradesh meaning Western Province ?

'Uttar' means Northern not western

What about East Punjab ?

To call it self Bengal it must secede from India and join Bangladesh the appropriate name for the Bengal region ...

Are you implying that ' Bengal' need not exist anymore as a name ?

Or, as I suspect you are playing with words as is your wont.

 

[cloud_9]

The whole place should be dropped from the map.

 

[scorpionx]

yes i agree with you , & honestly speaking this bangal vs gothi thing should end now , historically there was only one bengal , punjab ,tamil nadu etc ,the east/west nonsense only set in from 1906 on words & coming from an urdu-speaking business family of Calcutta , we Muslims actually gained to loose the most from that partition & the one that followed afterwords in the late 1940's , the leverage the Muslims had in the commercial industries of Calcutta greatly diminished after that stint , so IMO the division of Bengal was the most damaging idea as far as Muslims were concerned , at least from an industrial & commercial point of view , the problem was agricultural to be specific the zamindari system in which the Hindus had the upper hand & the Muslims of Bengal felt alienated , so the solution should also have been Land Reforms of Bengal & not the Partition of Bengal , its common sense & i think had the land reforms been implemented back then , the subcontinent would have been a much better place , no offense mate but , this whole bloody problem originated from Bengal (both the sides) & slowly slowly engulfed the entire subcontinent with it , in retrospect as an an Urdu speaker i have nothing but only distaste of that event

mate once again if my post in anyway have hurt the sentiment of our Bengali Friend here , from India & BD please accept my apologies

Regards

Not much attention is given to how an unique proletariat sensibility was born right from 1757. People often wonder why Sarat Bose, being a HIndu wanted a separate Independent Bengal without realizing how both Congress and ML failed to see the pulse of the local people. It was only the hysteria of British supported communal politics just for a short period of ten years, that had led to us to the chaos of partition.Bengal's problem was solely economic and never religious. Solving this economic problem on religious line was a ludicrous idea.

 

[dray]

West Bengal or Paschim Banga should be renamed as Bengal / Bangla to keep the Bengal's name and culture alive. This is our duty as the true inheritors of Bengal.

Bangladesh is anyway going to change its name to something more appropriate ending with 'stan' or 'bad' with matching culture directly imported from holy Arabia (camels included for daily transport) once the much desired political change finally happens, and BNP along with Jamat (and HeI as ideological partner) come to power in Bangladesh!

@bongbang @Bilal9 @iajdani @asad71

I can not comment on whether it should be renamed to something else for being not sure about its further benefits or value on social lives here but I can imagine why there had not been any decisive effort by the government to reject the 'West'. Before the advent of the British, a composite Bengali culture was already established in some forms, keeping language in the center right from the beginning of the Turkish conquest. Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims were not so frequent as it became a regular affair after the British tampered heavily with the rural economy based upon strictly religious lines. But despite all their 'divide and rule' policy and the invasion of radical Wahabism in the 19th century, Bengal successfully managed to keep its distinct political and cultural fabric intact.

If you carefully follow the course of freedom movement in present Bangladesh and West Bengal, it is not hard to notice that Bengali Muslims carefully distanced themselves from both Gandhi and Jinnah. Until the ill planned quit India movement, Krishak Praja Party and its leader Fazlul Haque enjoyed unparalleled support and devotion from both Hindus and Muslims in rural Bengal. Though the religious slogan Vande Mataram was not received with warm heart even by the moderate Muslims, Tagore continued to be the supreme authority when it came to cultural world of an educated Bengali Muslim. Even at the peak of Wahabi movement in Bengal, Urdu was summarily rejected by its Bengali followers; such was the devotion of Hindu and Muslims as well to this composite culture where language was given unrivaled importance.

Such devotion and passion to that culture, among Hindus in WB and Muslims in Bangladesh still exists today. Bangladeshis feel no less proud when Amartya Sen was awarded with Nobel Prize, same was the case in WB when Md.Yunus received the same. The Bangladeshis felt equally disappointed and angry when Ganguly was unreasonably thrown out of the Indian team, just like his Indian fans especially Bengalis. The first day of Bengali calendar, it will not be wrong to say that is celebrated with much more splendor in Bangladesh than West Bengal.

These are the main reason in my opinion, why a part of Bengalis in WB still want to see themselves as a part of greater culture and has not shown much enthusiasm to discard the 'West' till today. Surprisingly, very recently when Mamata Bannerjee was thinking of changing the name of the state, one suggestion drew very much popularity and that was Paschim Banga, a mere translation of West Bengal into Bengali.

This is dangerous! You are killing the biggest fun quotient of this forum with this kind of posts.

They are as Secular/Liberal as West, hence "WEST" Bengal.

Thanks for appreciating our qualities that are very much needed to counter balance the forces promoting communal hatred and disharmony. Unlike you, many Indians brainwashed by this extreme right-wing fascism are unable to appreciate the value of secularism and liberalism for building our nation that is progressive, prosperous and globally respected, but I am sure that history will set the record straight hundred years down the line.

Thank you again!

Not much attention is given to how an unique proletariat sensibility was born right from 1757. People often wonder why Sarat Bose, being a HIndu wanted a separate Independent Bengal without realizing how both Congress and ML failed to see the pulse of the local people. It was only the hysteria of British supported communal politics just for a short period of ten years, that had led to us to the chaos of partition.Bengal's problem was solely economic and never religious. Solving this economic problem on religious line was a ludicrous idea.

I can't agree with this post though, religious differences and discrimination/division at social level was a reality, and it was fueled by both the communities, especially by the upper caste Hindus and elite Muslims. British just exploited the division. Even today religion is the primary, if not the only cause of continued separation of two Bengals.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Are you implying that ' Bengal' need not exist anymore as a name ?

Or, as I suspect you are playing with words as is your wont.

Maybe a little more than just semantics ....

 

[ranjeet]

Thanks for appreciating our qualities that are very much needed to counter balance the forces promoting communal hatred and disharmony. Unlike you, many Indians brainwashed by this extreme right-wing fascism are unable to appreciate the value of secularism and liberalism for building our nation that is progressive, prosperous and globally respected, but I am sure that history will set the record straight hundred years down the line.

Thank you again!

We are talking about West Bengal here not the country. And we all know how progressive, prosperous and globally respected it is.

You welcome

 

[dray]

We are talking about West Bengal here not the country. And we all know how progressive, prosperous and globally respected it is.

You welcome

I am talking about how secular and liberal ideals are important for India to achieve all that...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

secular and liberal ideals

Umm. No. They are good in cafes and tea parties.

 

[nForce]

Umm. No. They are good in cafes and tea parties.

As long as an idea has a taker, has a following, it has it's uses

 

[SarthakGanguly]

As long as an idea has a taker, has a following, it has it's uses

Of course. Nazism was borne out of a beer hall. Every idea has a following. That's what makes a movement.

 

[bongbang]

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West Bengal or Paschim Banga should be renamed as Bengal / Bangla to keep the Bengal's name and culture alive. This is our duty as the true inheritors of Bengal.

Bangladesh is anyway going to change its name to something more appropriate ending with 'stan' or 'bad' with matching culture directly imported from holy Arabia (camels included for daily transport) once the much desired political change finally happens, and BNP along with Jamat (and HeI as ideological partner) come to power in Bangladesh!

Poschim Bangla is all about India. Where Bangladesh is all about Bengal. And other admixture of religion. And its getting matured with time. Now, its us who will dictate what will mean by the name of Bengal. And culture thing is ever changing. Before 200 years it was not like as its today. So language and culture will be the least thing to consider as Bengal.
Bangladesh is the Beast Bengal and Poschim Bangla is the kitty Bengal. Bangladesh is the flag bearer of Bengal in the world. Poschim Bangla is the flag bearer of Bengal in India. While poschim Bangla is a minority in India, we are the rival of India itself and dominating Bengal force in the world. These past histories dont count baby. While our past dominating area was Pataliputra, Gaur, Barendra, it shifted to Calcutta and now to Dhaka. Its ever changing. So dont argue with your daddy.
Its foolish to say Bangladesh which is the real Bengal has no Bengal but the Indian side of Bengal has all the Bengal.

Not much attention is given to how an unique proletariat sensibility was born right from 1757. People often wonder why Sarat Bose, being a HIndu wanted a separate Independent Bengal without realizing how both Congress and ML failed to see the pulse of the local people. It was only the hysteria of British supported communal politics just for a short period of ten years, that had led to us to the chaos of partition.Bengal's problem was solely economic and never religious. Solving this economic problem on religious line was a ludicrous idea.

Yes, what about there will be no religion after 100 years?

Hey! World knows about Bengal because of Royal Bengal Tiger. Now stop acting up and behave like a nice kitty

Yes and our tigers too

 

[nForce]

Of course. Nazism was borne out of a beer hall. Every idea has a following. That's what makes a movement.

Those fellows were doing fine.. They even had takers in the Allied nations, they still do..

Then they took it to a whole new level and started exterminating the jews. Well, after that it became a bit too much obnoxious.