Should we make a Petition to change the Devanagari script of Bangla!?

[The Snow Queen]

So what you were talking about?? indimating people of that land to join BD?? then you will termed as moron in my dictionary

Why the hell you are so stupid!? I am not talking about anyone! Or any lands! I am talking about establishing just our own Muslim identity in Bangladesh! And it won't have ANYTHING to do with India or what so ever!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Collective brainwashing have worked wonders on our educated class, so much so, that they don't even know about their own history and roots and thus parrot the line Hindu Zamindars gave them since 1757. This is what happens to a people when they loose sovereignty or self rule. Enemy's make sure that you loose your cultural continuity and work overtime to make sure that you never get it back.

Hindu rule of Bengal ended in 1204, now with British help Hindu's got upper hand since 1757 and with British help they gave us only a small part of our land in 1947. Now they are working to do a slow motion extermination of the Muslim population of this landmass, using water terrorism and destabilization. Lets see how long our moron nation remains asleep, oblivious to what is happening to them.

This history book should be mandatory for all Bangladeshi high school students, it also needs a Bangla translation:
The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier, 1204–1760

Are you sure that you've read the book yourself? Even as early as my reading, it says things that would make any Bangla chauvinist terribly uncomfortable.

 

[dray]

Hindu rule of Bengal ended in 1204, now with British help Hindu's got upper hand since 1757 and with British help they gave us only a small part of our land in 1947.

You got your proportionate share of Bengal as per the religious demography of the landmass in 1947, after that we are not responsible for your population explosion, are we? Just because you had a problem to live with Hindus of India doesn't mean that you will get full share of Bengal and Bengali Hindus will go and jump in Bay of Bengal to give a pure Islamic nation. Now stop whining about this issue.

 

[Anubis]

ma and masih i.e. messiah?

so you are saying the Muslims who settled here or converted to form the Muslim civilization SHOULDN'T have used their own names (which technically were still pre-Islamic whether they came from Arabia or Central Asia)? like when Dutch settlers used New Amsterdam for now-New York when they went there? so only the Muslims should have always used the Hindu/Dharmic names, and forgone their culture right? but the Hindus had the right to change the Muslim-era names?


so do you think the Muslims had a right to establish entire empires and civilizations in the subcontinent that culminated in two sovereign (or supposed to be sovereign) nations that are Bangladesh and Pakistan, and a substantial minority population in India?

Muslims who converted did have the right to use their own names(Bengali names....since they were bengalis).....Muslims who came here from Central Asia did not have the right to change the names.

When the Dutch(and the British) went to the New World(America) they eliminated the indigenous population......and then changed everything.....That is not our case......Most of us(Bengalis) are the indigenous people of this region......Unlike America where most of them are immigrants(and they admit it too)....American-Indians did not convert to "Dutch" or "English or "Irish".........you see where your example is messed up....you are comparing religion with race and nationality.......Since this country is majority Bengali....this place should have Bengali names and not Arabic names.....since you are not a Bengali(you don't even understand the freakin language)....and you don't live here I think your opinion hardly counts!

Nobody has the right to establish empires on other people's land......that's why we moved on and left feudal imperialism behind.....Islam in this region was spread by Awlias(from Shah Jalal to Bayezid Bostami)........not by Muslim emperors......Muslim emperors hardly cared about Islam!

 

[dray]

Islam in this region was spread by Awlias

How about the name Awliashahi for Bangladesh, come onnn......you can't oppress the popular demand for long. Please be constructive here and settle for a suitable name.

 

[Dillinger]

Muslims who converted did have the right to use their own names(Bengali names....since they were bengalis).....Muslims who came here from Central Asia did not have the right to change the names.

When the Dutch(and the British) went to the New World(America) they eliminated the indigenous population......and then changed everything.....That is not our case......Most of us(Bengalis) are the indigenous people of this region......Unlike America where most of them are immigrants(and they admit it too)....American-Indians did not convert to "Dutch" or "English or "Irish".........you see where your example is messed up....you are comparing religion with race and nationality.......Since this country is majority Bengali....this place should have Bengali names and not Arabic names.....since you are not a Bengali(you don't even understand the freakin language)....and you don't live here I think your opinion hardly counts!

Nobody has the right to establish empires on other people's land......that's why we moved on and left feudal imperialism behind.....Islam in this region was spread by Awlias(from Shah Jalal to Bayezid Bostami)........not by Muslim emperors......Muslim emperors hardly cared about Islam!

Looking forward to meeting Sheikh Nubis.

 

[kalu_miah]

Are you sure that you've read the book yourself? Even as early as my reading, it says things that would make any Bangla chauvinist terribly uncomfortable.

Your question and statement simply means that you have wrong impressions.

 

[nForce]

You got your proportionate share of Bengal as per the religious demography of the landmass in 1947, after that we are not responsible for your population explosion, are we? Just because you had a problem to live with Hindus of India doesn't mean that you will get full share of Bengal and Bengali Hindus will go and jump in Bay of Bengal to give a pure Islamic nation. Now stop whining about this issue.

There shouldn't have been a separate Bengal in the first place.Just because a lot of people got converted to a religion, it does not mean that we will have to create a separate country for them.One of the biggest blunders of last century.

 

[dray]

There shouldn't have been a separate Bengal in the first place.Just because a lot of people got converted to a religion, it does not mean that we will have to create a separate country for them.One of the biggest blunders of last century.

They didn't really want to create a separate Bengali nation for themselves, they wanted East Pakistan, and Bengali ethnicity was not in the picture till the time they faced severe discrimination, a racial one, from their own countrymen in the west in spite of sharing the same religion/brotherhood with them. Bengali nationalism and Bengali nation were just an afterthought.

 

[nForce]

They didn't really want to create a separate Bengali nation for themselves, they wanted East Pakistan, and Bengali ethnicity was not in the picture till the time they faced severe discrimination, a racial one, from their own countrymen in the west in spite of sharing the same religion/brotherhood with them. Bengali nationalism and Bengali nation were just an afterthought.

I'm aware of that.My point is there should not have been a division of Bengal in the first place, be it for East Pakistan, be it for Bangladesh.

 

[kalu_miah]

You got your proportionate share of Bengal as per the religious demography of the landmass in 1947, after that we are not responsible for your population explosion, are we? Just because you had a problem to live with Hindus of India doesn't mean that you will get full share of Bengal and Bengali Hindus will go and jump in Bay of Bengal to give a pure Islamic nation. Now stop whining about this issue.

The British took over Principality of Bengal in 1757 - 1772, but returned just a part of it. Where as in the case of Burmans they gave them back all of Burma, just to give you an example. That is what I am pointing out:
Principality of Bengal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But having said that, unlike some posters here, I have no crazy dreams to get any land from India. We will be lucky to keep what we have.

For Assam and North East states, we wish them well, whether they want to become independent with Chinese help or stay with India, that is their business. Bangladeshi's who talk about greater Bangladesh expanding into surrounding areas, are out of touch with reality.

 

[Screambowl]

it's none of your business even if Bangladeshis want to keep Tamil names or start eating Aztec food.

Muslims of South Asia have an organic culture different from either the Dharmic religious communities, or Arabia or Persia

and those who are not willing to adapt this in B'desh will run towards India. And India will do every thing to preserve bengali culture. They way India preserved it in 1971. India will make all understand in the language they want to understand. Simple.


More over all Dharmic religions are more related to culture and traditions followed in the subcontinent.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your question and statement simply means that you have wrong impressions.

Quite possible.

After all, I've just read the first part (brilliant book, by the way); the second part may throw a different light on things.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

I'm totally agreed bangla language script should be changed into Arabic, because this will bring our Bangladeshi brothers more close to islam and it will also helps them decreasing indian culture influence in that region.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your question and statement simply means that you have wrong impressions.

@kalu_miah

What is more significant, a contemporary Chinese traveler reported that although Persian was understood by some in the court, the language in universal use there was Bengali.[81] This points to the waning, although certainly not yet the disappearance, of the sort of foreign mentality that the Muslim ruling class in Bengal had exhibited since its arrival over two centuries earlier. It also points to the survival, and now the triumph, of local Bengali culture at the highest level of official society.

Your question and statement simply means that you have wrong impressions.

@kalu_miah

The art historian Perween Hasan has suggested still another indigenous source for the Bengali mosque. By comparing sultanate mosques with Buddhist monuments in Burma dating from the eighth to eleventh centuries, together with surviving evidence of Buddhist architecture in pre-twelfth-century Bengal, Hasan has come to the conclusion that Bengal’s Buddhist temple tradition directly contributed to the revival of the square, brick Bengali mosque in the fifteenth century.[85] Drawing on elements derived both from the rural Bengali thatched hut and from the pre-Islamic Buddhist temple, then, these structures reflect an essentially nativist movement, an effort to express an Islamic institution in locally familiar terms. This style of royal culture became so fixed that it persisted despite the restoration of the old Ilyas Shahi dynasty in 1433,