Should Pakistan do Surgical Strikes in IOK?

[Mav3rick]

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

The problem with that is the fact that the world accepts Indian narrative of striking at Terrorist training camps in AJK whereas we would be hitting Indian Military personnel which would be akin to starting a full fledged war.

The best that we can do, and should do, is arm the resistance to the teeth and give them an opportunity to defend themselves. Give them help openly and if that leads to a war then let it be.

 

[El Sidd]

Hindus should sue the Romans and Greeks for taking Shiva's weapon and giving it to neptune and poseidon

Or Romans and Greeks can do Ghazwa e Hind

 

[untitled]

Or Romans and Greeks can do Ghazwa e Hind

We were never able to convert them to Islam.

 

[El Sidd]

We were never able to convert them to Islam.

its not about islam. its about conquering india. an ancient Ritual of the Gods

 

[graphican]

Pakistan should not do any surgical strike. Instead, it should let India burn because of its own mistakes. If you intervene, you will give India a scapegoat. If you analyze, Nirandra Modi would want this surgical strike from Pakistan as an excuse to keep the military and hide their carnage as war collateral.

So don't. Don't give Modi an excuse.

 

[messiach]

OK.

None of this will happen in the near future. Pakistan simply doesn't have any options but to seat back and watch.

 

[PakGuns]

To be honest perhaps it's the last chance for Pak to act properly if Pak is honest with liberation cause of Kashmiris. India has violated the international resolutions and treaties so now no one can blame Pakistan if any action taken. After that India shall gradually change the demographics of the estate by allotment of land to Hindus.
Following are reasons to act now.

1. Pak Military is much battle hardened now then ever as well as better equipped.
2. PAF has much better resources and strike capabilities.
3. PN though is in questionable state yet has capability to play effective defensive role as at least two subs of Pak are already up graded and perhaps ahve capability to fire Baber CM up to 700+KM range along with installation of Harba missile and coastal defense batteries. Further with induction of a squadron of JF17 along with air assets Pak can effectively deny any air dominance by IAF on sea.
4. The valley people are extremely motivated so it shall be impossible for Indian military to move within valley without collateral damage, as Mujahdeen shall have free hand to act behind the Indian forces defense lines. On other hand Alpha/Maoists and even Sikh separatists may give a tough time.
5. Pakistan point defense capabilities after induction of LY80 and FM90 are much better than past.

right now there are stray pigs in the streets of valley.... we should let the situation be clear and then start firing standoff ammunition on supply routes and HQs

 

[Fawad alam]

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

Once a guy said, If you want decisive victory then you need to to kill military masses, otherwise you will not gain anything.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

if you mean to say the Indian style mythical Uri revenge surgical strike then I volunteer for it

if you mean real stuff then the I am confused with many things

explain the scope of the attack and the method and the target and the expected result and the expected reaction

what will it achieve? India gets scared reinstates 370? recalls all its troops?
or it opens a war front of its choosing where we are week? uses its diplomatic leverage against us?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Short sighted people will plan surgical strikes withno strategic objective.

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistan main aim right now should be to target occupier terrorists, when, how, where, etc should not be stressed upon.

 

[Muslim Warrior]

U guys need to be patient. War against enemies that outnumber u 8x bigger are not won with haste decisions. U need to outsmart your enemy. Just be patient for once our government and military is on the same page. We need foreign support before we do anything. Look at Kargil when we did it without any support. India has a facist government right now just let em try their own thing. They are bound to commit some sort of grave human rights violation in Kashmir and when they do we get justification. People here have been acting very dumb and impatient like a bunch of 10 year olds on this site. Remember in february u guys were all emotional calling for strikes that very second. The PAF stayed cool and calm and waiting till daylight and surprised the enemy. Same thing here it would be dumb to do anything when its expected.

Agree that we should be patient but when ur own family and children starving then it's difficult .... Although we are outnumbered (but If u somehow boost morale and provide support to Kashmiris at all levels then it'll be the Indian Army whose going to be outnumbered )... Atleast we should engage the Indian army on LOC atleast !!!

 

[araz]

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

Nons

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

Surgical strikes are carried out in response to aggression on your own land. You have not had that done yet.
Surgical strikes require risks as an aggressor needs to have a 3:1 majority which you dont have.
You dont have US, Russia or even China backing you on this venture so who is going to support youwhen the proverbial hits the fan.
With FATF decision hanging over your head you want to do a maneouvre which will tentamount to aggression without provocation(specifically on your own soil and Kashmir might be disputed but it is not your own soil) how do you think the ruling will go.
I dont think India is going to be foolish enough to do the same to you again. In fact they are doing the exact opposite asking you to reverse your decisions.
This world is very fickle and the only thing that matters is money power and influence. You have neither in adequate numbers to matter.
This is a long drawn out conflict. It needs to be tackled with poise and tact rather than brute force.
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[masterchief_mirza]

India has broken all its laws and commitments and is engaged in terrorising Kashmir's innocent population.

Since India has already set the precedent of surgical strikes, Pak can now take advantage and engage in strikes against Indian occupation soldiers and police that are engaged in terrorism of innocent civilians.

Pak would not be violating international law as the LoC no longer exists. The IAF is ill prepared to deal with such a confrontation.

There are pros and cons to this discussion and I thought of creating a thread to discuss.

I see that in terms of the negatives, this could drag itself into a full scale war. Additionally, it would allow IAF to learn and counter PAF tactics.

I've considered this. It is actually a good idea. Cassus belli would be proof of human rights atrocities committed by a certain unit. Target that unit and attack. Then let their air force try and come across our border.

 

[SIPRA]

Nons

Surgical strikes are carried out in response to aggression on your own land. You have not had that done yet.
Surgical strikes require risks as an aggressor needs to have a 3:1 majority which you dont have.
You dont have US, Russia or even China backing you on this venture so who is going to support youwhen the proverbial hits the fan.
With FATF decision hanging over your head you want to do a maneouvre which will tentamount to aggression without provocation(specifically on your own soil and Kashmir might be disputed but it is not your own soil) how do you think the ruling will go.
I dont think India is going to be foolish enough to do the same to you again. In fact they are doing the exact opposite asking you to reverse your decisions.
This world is very fickle and the only thing that matters is money power and influence. You have neither in adequate numbers to matter.
This is a long drawn out conflict. It needs to be tackled with poise and tact rather than brute force.
A

Unfortunately, many of our Pakistani posters, say, whatever comes into their minds, under strong impulse of anger and a feeling of helplessness. Of course, those sitting on the helms of affairs have to think ten times, before taking any action.