Long time after Marut was made we approved LCA and the funds were not released and we dont have any notable previous experience . More over we are prone to sanctions . And this is the first time and finally we are making it , it was a delay . Now we got plenty of experience with mki and now we are manufacturing them Indigenously ie with a decent amount of home made components.
but the problem is same can be apllicable for china they also got sanctions in 1992 tianmmean square tragedy but still they
managed to copy & reverse enginer every jet they could get from russia & isreal & also they managed to produce a decent engine though some might doubt's it's engine efficacy but still they produced it & inducted in it's jet ,but for india still they havent inducted LCA yet while pak & china have inducted 1-2 squardon of jf17 (PAF) & 6 squadron of J10 (CAF)
& are going for block 2 of those serires while we havnt inducted mark1 yet forget about mark2 .U may finds my word bitter ,
but it's a bitter truth & we are to be blamed for not inducting yet ,atleast it should have been inducted by 2011 but it may be around 2012-13 & would that also happen or more late who knows .And for that we are to be blamed not sanctions
Taking help is fine but partnership is not good . More over we are getting TOT for MRCA and of course PAKFA . With FGFA we will be having excellent experience ie making things right from scratch thoug design was completed before Indian entry . And we had design and other experience with LCA though it was delayed .
well partnership has both advantages & disadvantages mainly in money matter only .Well MMRCA is 4.5 gen program & who knows
whether all critical technolgy would be covered in it like AESA, IRST & engine i doubt , same applies for Pakfa ,Yes we would
coproduce it with license from them
While for FFGA only there is pain in my sweet A$$ as india has been tricked by russia to buy 1st it's own version of single seater
pakfa & that may took 2017-18 for full time deployement & india would start FFGA from 2020-21 & that may take 4-6 yrs for deployemnt ,So we have to wait a lot for gaining experirnece from this project & then if we start AMCA after all this project it's development & induction may take around 10 -15 yrs which may it's indution around 2035-37 oh lord at that time I doubt 6th gen combat aircraft may have been deployed by china
Ha ha ha
So LCA delay is not a failure . AMCA would be a real challenge for us .
If it fails which wont happen for sure, it will be an insult .
But atleast we should have self satisfaction that we can make a 5th gen plane . What if we cant plane a 5th generation indigenous plane? Now u can laugh but after 10 years the situation will demand better things not even Tejas Mk2/Mk3 .
well i had never said LCA project was a failure but it was a sorry affair for us starting from development & induction.AMCA project would never be a failure even if we develop on our own ,but if it induction would be at a time when that generation of plane would have been obsolete then what the use of that pride in having such a kind of jet .Think logically
well at that time i wont be laughing but chinese & pakis would be laughing at us with 100
& 100
& we couldnt do anything about it apart from logging out or getting pink from this forum in shame
U know that there were sanctions so , Kaveri was delinked from LCA and now we are developing it with France and we can make a better engine with in 15 years . Remember engine has a little contribution in indigenization .
well sanctions were there but kaveri was indigenoius engine not american and kaveri thrust was not upto mark max 70-80kn but minimum 90-100 kn was required that too for forth gen fighter .so itwas a flop project so we have to develop it with france to get a good decent engine .There
are supercruise criteria for 5th genfightr also so would it have supercruise capablity also needs to
be seen .Well that's why engine is the most important criteria for indigenization as if we cant develop 5th gen fighter engine then "
kya ghanta 5th gen fighter" would we make
Indigenous means we should not depend on others , i mean any scarcity of a component shouldn't let us to beg others . We can relink engine and avionics and we had our aesa radar flown for the first time . We can make it perfect and miniaturized in 10-15 years ie by 2025 . Then we can get IOC and start induction .
Indigenous doesnt mean that every thing should be our own . Indigenous manufacturing is required to maintain self sufficiency . And the other reason why we went for foregin components is we never compromise on quality . We have 10+ years to develop an engine , better radar and next generation avionics .
then what do u mean by indigenoius ???
& honestly speaking buddy ( may be OFF TOPIC) we dont have so much time as u never know the
geopolitical situation see france doent have emergency to have a 5th gen fighter like we do , i dont want to elaborate as i hope u must be knowing what i am saying
Its a tradition that most of the Air Forces will have combo of light,medium and heavy weight fighters. We cant manage future with LCA so joining Mig X is not a bad idea . Since we have separate indigenous AMCA , it ll further strengthen our industry on the other hand if you share AMCA 50:50 with any one it we will lose our command on AMCA and even in exports we will lose our hand.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...ng-close-defence-cooperation.html#post1800299
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...ion-fighter-indian-air-force.html#post1805568
Go through the links , its possible .After all it isnt a bad idea than joining F35 .
plz dont tell tradition of other countries man do u think US cancelled the production of F22 raptor
for granted .AND RUssia cancelled MIG mfi project as it dont have the mood to built it
Well it was for god damned
MONEY which it couldnt afford to build every jet .
& plz look my post No7 do u think we would afford another MFI project.
Buddy if we cat develop a 5th generation plane Indigenously think about our future aircraft industry . We have got a good chance this time .Thats why i spoke my brother,
well for our future aircraft industry only i am saying to codevelop it for faster induction & economical reasons though much depends upon france how they react to it such proposal ,but i am sure they wont be interested as they have started development of stealth version of RAFALE
u only told to be free to criticize you lol
well i am not blaming u buddy for criticising me ,so thats why i had said to u
well i cant force u to agree with me ,as it is freedom of speech for everyone
& it's ur god damned right to criticize me
Any way doctor,
you got a good idea but its dangerous for our future aircraft industry .
thank u very much & i really apreciated that
If u say we can partner for now , then we may not get a chance to develop future manned generation planes indigenously .
Remember,
If you share AMCA 50:50 with any one it we will lose our command on AMCA and even in exports we will lose our hand.
well may be we could build 6th generation fighter on our own atleast (LOL)
anyway i really appreciate ur views & may hope we dont reapeat that same mistake in amca as we had done in LCA
AMEN
.,Well whom u r telling boys, france ??? france is much senoir aero industrial power than us do i have to prove u that.
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& well i am not saying entire LCA project was as a shame for our country but lca's delayed development time & induction is nt a shame for us that we cant even induct it till now while pakistan has deployed 1-2 squadron of jf 17 ,while China J10 a (4-5 squadron) .
while they had also started it in same time . 
