Shootout: Who makes better weapons

[tvsram1992]

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[mjnaushad]

US weapons are junk.....


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Grow up..... I would go for F15 any day of the week than su 30 or superduper su30MKI.... Same goes for other planes as well..... if we didn't have sanction problems I would really love more and more F16s in PAF.....

 

[mjnaushad]

thats true since u have Jf-17's

I've edited the article to suit Indian needs...

The time: 2 pm, December 22, 1971. The place: Jamnagar, a city on the west coast of India. One of the most eagerly awaited dogfights in aviation history is about to take place. The Americans have supplied their ally Pakistan with the most advanced fighter aircraft in their inventory, the F22 Stealth fighter, which was provided to fight terrorism in tribal areas but Pakistanis used these weapons to attack India, while the Indians have opted for the Russian MiG-21. It will be the first aerial combat between mach 2 (twice thespeed of sound) aircraft.



Two Squadrons of F-22’s of the Pakistan Air Force enter Indian air space for an attack on a forward airbase in the western Indian city of Jamnagar. As the first Pakistani aircraft Squadron dives in towards the airfield, a patrolling MiG-21 pilot spots the attacking aircraft and gets after him.



Observing the MiG on his tail, the Pakistani F-22s breaks off the attack, turns and tries to shake off its pursuer. However, the Indian pilot pulls the MiG-21 into a tighter turn well inside the enemy plane and launches an air-to-air missile. It misses.



In the meantime, the pilot of the second Pakistani stealthfighter, the wingman, sees another MiG-21 turning towards him. Realising he’s up against a much superior aircraft, he makes his escape.



His captain, however, is not so lucky. He attempts to get away using sheer speed but realises the MiG-21 is 10 times fast. The chase now takes them over the shark-infested waters of the Arabian Sea. Instead of using his missiles, the Indian pilot takes aim with his cannon and fires a long burst. Wise decision – flashes on the F-22’s metallic surface indicate a direct hit. The projectile than hit a formation of Pakistani Frigates fishing in Arabian sea destroying it completely. Seconds later the American-built aircraft spins out of control and crashes into the sea.



The Indians send out rescue boats but the pilot is not found. At that speed when you hit the water’s surface it’s like hitting concrete.

Happy Now

 

[ptldM3]

Let us consider the case of A2A victories scored by PAF during Soviet-Afghan war; PAF F-16 jets shoot down eight Soviet/Afghan aircraft without a single loss.

I didn't know ground attack aircraft or utility/transport aircraft were armed with A2A weapons let alone even designed for air-to-air engagments. Amazing feat this is like bragging that the Mig-29 shot down a Cessna and a UAV.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No...No...No...Our stuff are crap, am telling you from my ten yrs in the USAF. Our fighters can barely keep themselves airborne. EVERYTHING is grossly overhyped. We got nothing but junk.

I assume you are being sarcastic here

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

One answer to your quotes

The Tsar Bomba is obsolete. Nowadays no one would build that type of H-Bomb which is unportable by any type of ICBM.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well if we look at real Figures

-------------US ----- CHINA -------- Russia---------------------------------

F35 (AESA) --------- Prototype ------ Prototype ----------(NO DECISION)

F22 Raptors ---------J20 Prototype ---------Sukhoi T-50 Prototype ---------(Advantage USA)

F15E ---------J11 , Sukhoi ---------Sukhoi 35 --------- (Advantage Russia , China)

Hornets ---------J10B --------- Sukhoi 30+ --------- (Advantage Russia, China)

F16 --------- J10, JF17 ---------Mig 29 variants ---------(Advantage Russia , China)

Apache ---------Harbin Z-9 ---------Kamov Ka-50, Hind-------- (Advantage Russia , China)

Chinook --------- Prototype---------Mi 17 ---------(DRAW)

AWAC Yes ---------prototype--------- AWACS Yes---------(DRAW)

C130 ---------Russian/Prototype ---------Ilyushin--(US as it maintains large fleet of transporters)

AIM-120 AMRAAM---------SD10---------R-77 ---------(DRAW)

NAVY SHIPS---------NAVY SHIPS ---------NAVY SHIPS---------(US has advantage)

????? ---------ANTI CARRIER Missile ---------???? ---------(China can change NAVY battle)

NUKES--------- NUKES---------NUKES--------- (Russia has Tsar Bomb what else can you say)

ANTI SETTELITE---------ANTI SETTELITE ---------????---------(DRAW)

PATRIOT--------- HQ series ---------S300, S400 , S500 (RUSSIA is clear leader in this sector)


Missile defence sheild -----??????--------?????? (Planning stages minor advantage)


Financially BANKRUPT --------------SUPER RICH ---------SUPER RICH (Russia and China)

Army over stretched ----------------FRESH ------------FRESH (Russia and China)

 

[tvsram1992]

Well if we look at real Figures

-------------US ----- CHINA -------- Russia---------------------------------

F35 (AESA) --------- Prototype ------ Prototype ----------(NO DECISION)
What prototype? Russia has Mig 1.44 and Su47 as TD's before making PAKFA

F22 Raptors ---------J20 Prototype ---------Sukhoi T-50 Prototype ---------(Advantage USA)
F22 and PAKFA are worlds best air superiority fighters
F15E ---------J11 , Sukhoi ---------Sukhoi 35 --------- (Advantage Russia , China)
Su35 is far better than J11
Hornets ---------J10B --------- Sukhoi 30+ --------- (Advantage Russia, China)
Hornet is semi stealth, near 5g aircraft with AESA and Su30+ are best maneuverable fighters
F16 --------- J10, JF17 ---------Mig 29 variants ---------(Advantage Russia , China)
Jf-17??? I wont say anything now
Apache ---------Harbin Z-9 ---------Kamov Ka-50, Hind-------- (Advantage Russia , China)
How?
Chinook --------- Prototype---------Mi 17 ---------(DRAW)
How can a prototype make a draw with seniors?
AWAC Yes ---------prototype--------- AWACS Yes---------(DRAW)
China is still debut
C130 ---------Russian/Prototype ---------Ilyushin--(US as it maintains large fleet of transporters)
Clearly Russian credit
AIM-120 AMRAAM---------SD10---------R-77 ---------(DRAW)
AIM 120 is the best ever in accuracy
NAVY SHIPS---------NAVY SHIPS ---------NAVY SHIPS---------(US has advantage)
Also Russia has with nuke subs
????? ---------ANTI CARRIER Missile ---------???? ---------(China can change NAVY battle)
US has Ship based BMD
NUKES--------- NUKES---------NUKES--------- (Russia has Tsar Bomb what else can you say)
Russia has more nukes than any other
ANTI SETTELITE---------ANTI SETTELITE ---------????---------(DRAW)
US has done many tests and has air based ASAT and also Russia did it decades ago
PATRIOT--------- HQ series ---------S300, S400 , S500 (RUSSIA is clear leader in this sector)

PATRIOT is better than S400 and i wont comment on HQ
Missile defence sheild -----??????--------?????? (Planning stages minor advantage)
Russia is far better than China in defending


Financially BANKRUPT --------------SUPER RICH ---------SUPER RICH (Russia and China)
I m not a sooth sayer
Army over stretched ----------------FRESH ------------FRESH (Russia and China)
US has divisions in terms of quality and China has quantity. Has has required features. China is better

Wah u gave credits of Russia to China

 

[tvsram1992]

The Tsar Bomba is obsolete. Nowadays no one would build that type of H-Bomb which is unportable by any type of ICBM.

It can be delivered by modified space vehicles .
I remember a comet is going to come near earth in 2030's, Russia is planning to intercept with space nuke.

 

[tvsram1992]

I've edited the article to suit Indian needs...
Happy Now

Let me edit for Pakistani needs

The time: 2 pm, December 22, 1971. The place: Jamnagar, a city on the west coast of India. One of the most eagerly awaited dogfights in aviation history is about to take place. The Chinese have supplied their ally Pakistan with the most advanced fighter aircraft in their inventory, the Jf17 Semi Stealth fighter, which was provided to fight NATO Drones and Helis in tribal areas but Pakistanis used these weapons to attack India, while the Indians have opted for the Russian MiG-21. It will be the first aerial combat between mach 2 (twice thespeed of sound) aircraft.



Two Squadrons of Jf-17’s of the Pakistan Air Force enter Indian air space for an attack on a forward airbase in the western Indian city of Jamnagar. As the first Pakistani aircraft Squadron dives in towards the airfield, a patrolling MiG-21 pilot spots the attacking aircraft and gets after him.



Observing the MiG on his tail, the Pakistani Jf-17s breaks off the attack, turns and tries to shake off its pursuer. However, the Indian pilot pulls the MiG-21 into a tighter turn well inside the enemy plane and launches an air-to-air missile. It misses.



In the meantime, the pilot of the second Pakistani Semi stealthfighter, the wingman, sees another MiG-21 turning towards him. Realising he’s up against a much superior aircraft, he makes his escape.



His captain, however, is not so lucky. He attempts to get away using sheer speed but realises the MiG-21 is 10 times fast. The chase now takes them over the shark-infested waters of the Arabian Sea. Instead of using his missiles, the Indian pilot takes aim with his cannon and fires a long burst. Wise decision – flashes on the Jf-17’s plastic surface indicate a direct hit. The projectile than hit a formation of Pakistani Frigates fishing in Arabian sea destroying it completely. Seconds later the Chinese-built aircraft spins out of control and crashes into the sea.



The Indians send out rescue boats but the pilot is not found. At that speed when you hit the water’s surface it’s like hitting concrete.

 

[nomi007]

American designs are really sophisticated and much more advance
Russian can make same type of machines but not same as usa

 

[Harry_Thomason]

Author Krishnan Simha is a bit biased. US has overall better and more extensive military equipment, however there are areas where Russia still has an edge, which is very impressive considering Russia is stagnating after the fall of USRS, while US spends more on military than the rest of the World combined.

 

[Quasar]

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[Harry_Thomason]

This one wins the thread, make love not war

 

[gambit]

This one wins the thread, make love not war

A real man can do both...At the same time...!!!