Shoot me, but I still won't sing Vande Mataram, says Muslim leader

[padamchen]

By the way
You should NEVER Forget that it was Muslims who drove you Parsis out of Iran
and Hindus gave you refuge in India ; you have flourished Here
Because of Hindus

Not these Muslims.

And not most of these Hindus. Unless Hinduism and Hindus in India of those times were a homogeneous entity, and Jadi Rana was the same as a Tamil or Mallu or Bihari or Odiya king.

If so, then if anything, our Muslims are also the same Hindu people who welcomed the Parsis.

So difficult to argue both points of a narrow minded sanghi and try and reconcile them.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Not these Muslims.

And not most of these Hindus.

Cheers, Doc

You are not a parsi ; I have seen and met a few parsis ; they are always
happy and grateful to be in India ; unlike you

 

[wiseone2]

Although its harmless saying but bowing is only allowed for GOD in Islam.
A true Muslim cannot bow to any one except ALLAH.

as per Eastern traditions you have to bow to your martial arts teacher
my kid bows to his piano teacher after every class

 

[StandForInsaf]

as per Eastern traditions you have to bow to your martial arts teacher
my kid bows to his piano teacher after every class

you are muslim ?
and its bow down to earth in front of any person ?

then from Islamic point of view its prohibited and sin.

 

[wiseone2]

you are muslim ?
and its bow down to earth in front of any person ?

then from Islamic point of view its prohibited and sin.

Nope I am not muslim
With your stance for beginners you would not learn any eastern martial arts or western classical music

 

[StandForInsaf]

Nope I am not muslim
With your stance for beginners you would not learn any eastern martial arts or western classical music

You can still learn martial arts and music without doing this.
https://giphy.com/embed/zclJuruMWTHLa

I thought martial artist do this kind of bowing.

 

[padamchen]

Their women wear burqa, they have the same sort of funeral ritual up to some extent, they eat Kosher and etc etc



Yes I accept the influence is massive, systematically achieved and implemented. You cannot win against it without getting declared infidel ...........




Whats the point of molding the world when both narratives in their current form are far from the real message? Should it matter to anyone say like me? An Egyptian cleric sitting in biggest university of Egypt can come up with the most ridiculous fatwa .......... and all I can do in my personal capacity is to take a deep breath and mourn our collective Muslim intellect.

It doesn't go back to earliest days of Islam but three centuries after ........... that's where the division starts, story telling gets its foothold and kings are made to exploit the common people.

We'll either start a revolution.

Or get killed ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[t_for_talli]

Not these Muslims.

And not most of these Hindus. Unless Hinduism and Hindus in India of those times were a homogeneous entity, and Jadi Rana was the same as a Tamil or Mallu or Bihari or Odiya king.

If so, then if anything, our Muslims are also the same Hindu people who welcomed the Parsis.

So difficult to argue both points of a narrow minded sanghi and try and reconcile them.

Cheers, Doc

Its funny how you disagree and find it difficult to make him understand your point,

From an independent point of reference you both are same,
Both labeling an institution/ organization / religion as bad based on actions of few without going through what actually those entities stand for

 

[I.R.A]

We'll either start a revolution.

Or get killed ...

Cheers, Doc

Doc revolution already happened ........... for me it is more of a fight to reach the truth, tragedy you are born someone and you still have to search for your true identity. And somehow once when my system accepts and starts processing the truth I stop caring too much for sensitivities involved, bad habit, that I am trying to overcome by keeping shut.

 

[padamchen]

Its funny how you disagree and find it difficult to make him understand your point,

From an independent point of reference you both are same,
Both labeling an institution/ organization / religion as bad based on actions of few without going through what actually those entities stand for

Oh I understand him and his kind just fine.

They do not understand the harm they are doing to our national fabric.

We are ultimately all Hindu - if you use the word in the cultural and civilizational sense.

That is the message the BJP foxed the nation with. Brilliant PR and media management. Will be written and spoken about in business management and political science and sociology schools around the world decades from now.

But the Hindutva they sold us and the Hindutva we got are totally different beasts.

And the mood now is F*ck you. We are a billion strong (conveniently basketing the dalits who they also hound). Deal with it. Or get out.

They are not Hindus. They are a grotesque parody of Nazis whom their founding father psychos built their ideological institutions on.

They do not realize how badly they have and are hurting Hindus at large. Or maybe they do but they do not care, cause their agenda is being furthered either way.

How bad a name Hindus are getting. Forget around the world. But on our own soil. Among our own people.

Forget about the Parsis. Staunch Hindus and Indians till now. Totally disgusted. But they do not really matter. In under a century they will be either dead or would have quit India like they quit Pakistan.

Think about those who are or were Hindus. The Sikhs. The Buddhists. The Jains. The Christians. The Jews. And of course our own patriotic Muslims. And a huge number of Dalits. Children of lesser Hindu Gods?!!!

Read the signs.

Few we may be. But eventually we are still bigger in collective number than most nations on earth.

There are only Hindu voices left out there celebrating and in support.

Everyone else has disappeared.

The sanghis have effectively turned the nation against itself.

Because the Hindus are us. And right now there is a huge divide developing.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Haryanvi Jat]

I never understood why everyone is so crazy about religion that they will even kill their own blood? Religion is really a curse to the world.

 

[t_for_talli]

Oh I understand him and his kind just fine.

They do not understand the harm they are doing to our national fabric.

We are ultimately all Hindu - if you use the word in the cultural and civilizational sense.

That is the message the BJP foxed the nation with. Brilliant PR and media management. Will be written and spoken about in business management and political science and sociology schools around the world decades from now.

But the Hindutva they sold us and the Hindutva we got are totally different beasts.

And the mood now is F*ck you. We are a billion strong (conveniently basketing the dalits who they also hound). Deal with it. Or get out.

They are not Hindus. They are a grotesque parody of Nazis whom they founding father psychos built their ideological institutions on.

They do not realize how badly they have and are hurting Hindus at large. Or maybe they do but they do not care, cause their agenda is being furthered either way.

How bad a name Hindus are getting. Forget around the world. But on our own soil. Among our own people.

Forget about the Parsis. Staunch Hindus and Indians till now. Totally disgusted. But they do not really matter. In under a century they will be either dead or would have quit India like they quit Pakistan.

Think about those who are or were Hindus. The Sikhs. The Buddhists. The Jains. Read the signs.

There are only Hindu voices left out there celebrating and in support.

Everyone else has disappeared.

The sanghis have effectively turned the nation against itself.

Because the Hindus are us. And right now there is a huge divide developing.

Cheers, Doc

Again same stuff,

As you correctly coined "him and his type" is you different from "you or your type"

Because both are defaming an organization / religion / institution based on actions of few.
Osama doesnot define entire Islam and "Him and his type" dono define RSS

 

[padamchen]

Again same stuff,

As you correctly coined "him and his type" is you different from "you or your type"

Because both are defaming an organization / religion / institution based on actions of few.
Osama doesnot define entire Islam and "Him and his type" dono define RSS

I hear the "all Muslims are not terrorists" argument from you.

Sorry, but I'm not a lawyer or a politician.

Cheers, Doc

 

[t_for_talli]

I hear the "all Muslims are not terrorists" argument from you.

Sorry, but I'm not a lawyer or a politician.

Cheers, Doc

Neither me,
get well soon

 

[padamchen]

Neither me,
get well soon

I am in perfect health. Wiser meaner tougher leaner and fitter in my 40s than I was in my 30s.

Maybe you should wish the sanghis the same instead.

Cheers, Doc

I am in perfect health. Wiser meaner tougher leaner and fitter in my 40s than I was in my 30s.

Maybe you should wish the sanghis the same instead.

Cheers, Doc

@I.R.A

Bhai, don't just thank my post. Quit smoking before you turn 40. Seriously.

I quit when I turned 39, under pressure (massive) from my middle one.

One of the best things I did in life.

Cheers, Doc