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Shivalik Class Frigates Thread

this is as stupid as saying all rockets are based on Chinese technologies.

stupid post ! :tdown:

Those systems aren't based or not even copied, its bought right off the shelf !

Next time, Don't throw stones at someone if you are living in a glass house (you must have heard this a 100 times before ;) ) ! That will save you from any future embarrassment !
 
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Project 17 (Shivalik) Class in a nutshell !




*The Shivalik class frigates are multi-role frigates with some stealth features being built for the Indian Navy. They are the first warships being built in India with such features.

*A total of 12 ships are planned to be built in various batches, with a second batch of four updated frigates currently in planning.

*It incorporates structural, thermal, acoustic stealth features and advanced signature suppression and signature management features.

*DRDO and Steel Authority of India Limited (SAIL) indigenously designed and developed the AB-grade steel used.


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The Captain's Integrated Versatile Console System (IVCS) aboard the INS Shivalik

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Graphic of the CODOG arrangement fitted in the Project 17 Class frigate.

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CAE's Advanced Modular Multifunction Console in a notional integrated bridge arrangement.

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Officers Cabin


General characteristics

Displacement: 4,600 tons standard
5,600 tons full load

Length: 142.5 metres (468 ft)
Beam: 16.9 metres (55 ft)
Draught: 4.5 metres (15 ft)

Propulsion: 2 x Pielstick 16 PA6 STC Diesel engines & 2 x GE LM2500 boost turbines in CODOG configuration.

Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
22 knots (41 km/h) (Diesel Engines)

Complement: 257 (35 officers)

Sensors and processing systems:

MR-760 Fregat M2EM 3-D radar
MR-90 Orekh radar
BEL APARNA
HUMSA (Hull Mounted Sonar Array)
ATAS/Thales Sintra towed array systems
BEL Ajanta

Armament;

OTO Melera 76mm SRGM
2 x AK-630 30mm guns
32 x Barak SAM
9M317 (SA-N-12) SAM
8 x Klub/Brahmos cruise Missiles
90R missiles (ASW)
DTA-53-956 torpedoes
Klub ASW Missile
RBU-6000 (RPK-8)

Aircraft carried: 2 x HAL Dhruv or Sea King Mk.42B
 
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I'm only intrest in outlooks....I think this is the coolest one
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Thats Singaporese Navy Formidable class frigate a multi-mission derivative of the French Navy’s La Fayette class frigate.

The ship you posted is a lead ship RSS Formidable which was commissioned in 2007.

This ship has done an exercise with Indian Navy in same year.

GB
 
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good to see that india is going to build 12 of such ships. a very nice weak up call to the CCP for spending more $$$ on our navy.

thanks!
 
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laid down in 2001, launched in 2003, still in sea trial in 2009?

:smokin: dude, we are completing Type-054a frigate every 12-18 months, how are you going to match with us?

tell you the truth dude, we will built another 100 navy ships comparable or better than the current 054a in the next 20 years, you simply can't match it. the USSR crashed because of the arm race, we are doing to it again on you.

You are 100 times better then us. Your technology is best, you are the best nation in the world. Now can we do some crappy little stuff for us. We in no way compare with you. Happy now:cheers:
 
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:tup:

good to see that india is going to build 12 of such ships. a very nice weak up call to the CCP for spending more $$$ on our navy.

thanks!

Dont forget to tell them that they will be delivered 1 each every year.
 
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7 054a delivered in 3.5 years.

:smokin: we get multiple 052c destroyers during the same time.

054a frigate ? huh, u kidding me ? with displacement of 4000 and a max speed of 30 knots?

What is chinese original in these 054 frigates except some missiles ?
Almost all of the components are license built from french .Even the engines.

If there is TOT any country will build comparable products and will incorporate their own R&D to make it better. not many TOT were offered to India until very recently. India didn't have the luxury to license build as many components as the chinese used to. But dude now TOT is coming to india. Watch out the successor of the Shivalik class later.


Read below how 054a was built mostly by stealing foreign technologies.

The Russian state military import/ export agency Rosvoorouzhenie and 956E production Severnoye Design Bureau were shocked and angered when the 054A upgrade to the new People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) 054 frigate appeared in 2006 . At first it appeared to have four Russian-supplied systems that had been on earlier Chinese Luyang guided missile destroyers (DDGs). In reality, the four complex systems were illegal Chinese copies never before seen, and all were on a new serial production series of frigates.


The Sovremennyi high-technology combat systems copied by China on the surprising 2006 054A upgrade are the MGK-335 sonar, the Fregate M2EM three-dimensional (3-D) radar, Mineral ME (Bandstand) tracking radars and the Russian MR90 missile guidance tracker-illuminator for the SAN-7 Rif-M Shtil surface-to-air missile (SAM).

Designed by Morphizpribor Central Research Institute, the complete MGK-335 sonar suite has a towed variable depth sonar (VDS) in addition to its hull array. Because no stern VDS hoist is visible, the Chinese 956E ships must have the reduced MGK 335MS with only the hull sonar dome. This complex 1.5-10.9 kilohertz medium-frequency sonar has sufficient power and digital signal processing to enable near-convergence zone detection capability. The first PLAN vessel to use an imported sonar set was the 2002 052B DDG. The 054A frigate in 2006 was the first illegal reverse-engineered version manufactured in China.

The Fregate M2EM 3-D radar offers two channels in E and H bands that can track more than 100 contacts with maximum range of 300 kilometers (200 miles). The equipment and antenna weigh 6.6 tons and 2.3 tons, respectively. It was designed by Salyut Moscow and first provided to China on four 956E ships in 2000. China imported 10 sets of the Fregate 3-D radar, with two placed on 052B DDGs in 2002 and two placed on 051C DDGs in 2006. The first reverse-engineered Chinese copy appeared on the 054A frigate in 2006.

The Russian MR90 missile guidance tracker-illuminator for the SAN-7 Rif-M Shtil SAM was designed by the Altair Marine Radio-Electronics Research Institute JSC. China imported eight S-band MR90s from Russia for four 956E DDGs in 2000. Two MR90 radars were tested for several years on the Chinese experimental ship 891. The first installation of a Chinese copy of the MR90 supported the HQ-16 vertical launch system (VLS) on the 054A in 2000.

This touches on what may be another piece of reverse engineering. The four rectangular VLS modules of the HQ-16 on the 054A appear identical to the U.S. Navy MK 41 VLS, but the United States has not commented on the obvious similarity. The MK 41 has been exported for many years to numerous nations, and a copy could have been expected sooner—such as on the 052C Luyangs. In fact, this rectangular-hatch VLS has been evaluated, along with an MR90 tracking radar, on the 6,000-ton weapon experimental Wuhu-B hull 891 for more than a year. Some experts assumed that this MR90 was a Soviet import, but it probably is the Chinese copy undergoing testing prior to installation on the 054A. Although the type of VLS SAM has not been identified, it would probably be the SAN-7, which is associated with the MR90 illuminator.

The 054A frigate has the Type 730 close-in weapon system (CIWS), based on the Netherlands Goalkeeper, which uses the U.S. GE GAU Phalanx gun. The Type 730 was on the 052B and 052C in 2002 and 2003, and it was on the 051C prior to the 054A frigate in 2006. Type 730 radars are very similar to the Signaal I-band search radar and dual I- and K-band track radar.

These recent stunning reverse-engineering successes do cause complications. One result is that combat system sensors are not matched on the hull and machinery generators, notably for MTU and SEMT diesels. Shaanxi Diesel Plant, also called Factory 408, has been licensed to serially produce French SEMT Pielstick and German MTU series diesels since 1974. In 1989, a second factory, Shanghai Hudong Heavy Machinery Company, was authorized to produce PA6STC diesels. Four of these diesels are on each 054/054A frigate.
SEMT Pielstick PC2-5 series diesels have 6-, 12- and 16-valve models, and MTU 956 diesels have 12-, 16- and 20-valve models (TB82, -32 and -92). The 052A has MTU 12-valve 1163 TB83 diesels, and the 052B has MTU 20-valve 956 TB92 diesels. Chinese factories produced them, and difficulties have been reported with them.
After all of these years, China still imports some SEMT and MTU diesel components from France and Germany. During 2006 and 2007, China imported 15 to 20 sets of German MTU 16-valve and 8-valve 396 SE84 diesels for new submarines such as the modern Yuan diesel boats. The same situation exists with China importing parts for 24 model 16 PA6STC diesels, which were used on the newest 054/054A frigates. Apparently China has not yet successfully produced these submarine or surface ship diesels without imported components.

Other notable Chinese PLAN reverse engineerings of foreign weapon systems include the Crotale/HQ-7/Castor C radar. Two sets of Crotale missile launchers were imported from France in the 1980s. Crotale missile launchers and associated Thomson CSF DRBC 32F Castor C fire control radars were installed on the Luhu DDG 112 in 1991. An upgraded Luda, hull 109 added a topside 8-round reload box aft of the launcher. The six Jiangwei II frigates launched from 1991 to 2000 had HQ-7 by China, with no reload storage. In 2002 the Crotale was replaced with indigenous HQ-7A on DDG 112. The 1993 Luhu DDG 113 and 1997 Luhai DDG 167 HQ-7 had reload rounds in below-deck hatches, which was not even available in French Crotale systems.

Two SS-12 variable depth or dipping sonars were imported from France in 1974. Three SS-12s were installed on Z-9 shipboard helicopters, and in 1987 Haiju craft hulls 688 and 697 replaced aft 57-millimeter guns with the SS-12. China procured one French Thomson CSF TAVITAC CDS computer, which was installed on the Luda I destroyer DD 105 upgrade in 1987. The first Chinese copy of TAVITAC was installed on Luhu DDGs 112 and 113 as the ZJK4 in 1991 and 1993.

China imported 40 A244 torpedoes from Italy around 1980. An improved A244/S was produced in 1984. Reportedly, the A244/S is produced under Italian license as the Yu-7 antisubmarine warfare (ASW) torpedo. Some reports of U.S. Navy MK 44 torpedoes being produced by China could be mistaken because both the MK 44 and the A244 have a similar shroud around the propeller. Some references state that Yu-7 PLAN ASW torpedoes are copies of the U.S. Navy MK 46 Mod 2, four of which were sent to China in 1986 for co-production. Because the sale was below the $14 million Arms Export Control Act threshold, Congress did not review the deal. Negotiations between the United States and China broke down, and Chinese attempts to change the hardware to metric measurements reportedly stopped in 1988.




message me if you want some more news/links on copyright violations while making the 054a. But I am sure you won't be ashamed. You never are.
 
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You are 100 times better then us. Your technology is best, you are the best nation in the world. Now can we do some crappy little stuff for us. We in no way compare with you. Happy now:cheers:

The chinese are technologically ahead because they vahemently deny copyright violations . In case if they get legally prosecuted for copyright violations, their govt pay off the damage for the copyright violations. Else nobody cares.

Look at Cisco-Huawei settlement for example. In defence the violations are more extended and severe. But barely get prosecuted because they keep buying other systems as well and remain as a customer for few years.

India can't afford to follow this methodology because 1st is the ethics and secondy our govt won't pay off copywtite violations by private or public companies. No wonder we are technologically behind. But we need to be better in this department for sure.
 
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12 of shivalik class(P-17)..

7 possibly based on french frigate la fayette (P-17A)..

3 on the way from russia (advance talwar)...

3-4 might be the follow on order...

9 left after decommisionf nilgiri class frigate..

so by 2022-2025 we will have 35-40 frigate ..:woot::azn:
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12 of shivalik class(P-17)..

7 possibly based on french frigate la fayette (P-17A)..

3 on the way from russia (advance talwar)...

3-4 might be the follow on order...

9 left after decommisionf nilgiri class frigate..

so by 2022-2025 we will have 35-40 frigate ..:woot::azn:
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Depends. With govt aquiring more shipyards and new large private shipyards coming up, new projects will come up. These projections are based on the current capabilities of GRSE, CSL, MDL, GSL, Vizag etc.
We are in need of a larget sub fleet as well.
 
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GE LM2500 gas turbine

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GE LM 2500 Gas Turbine prior to encapsulation.


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SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6 STC diesel engine



The PA6 B-STC is the latest development of the PA6 range. This engine type has been developed to meet the requirements of various markets.

Fast ferry and frigate propulsion with the STC version regarding mass/power ratio, operating torque envelope, overall dimensions, fuel consumption and smoke particularly in partial load operation. This engine version, available in 12, 16, 18 and 20 cylinders offers outputs up to 8910 kW for the 20 cylinder model.
 
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