Serum has no right to halt vaccine supply as payment made in advance: Papon

[Saiful Islam]

RIP to the Indian and truckloads of Muslims are dying let's not forget this.

 

[The Ronin]

Why on Earth would India export vaccines when Indians are lying dead on the streets left and right?

Let us leave this India obsession and India centric paranoia to certain other countries and focus on our own deficiencies.

Why are we not publicly funding Bongavax development?

Tell that to Bilkis Banu who gave love reaction to your thread and cried about "Indian Dhokeybazi" at the same time a lot. What a weirdo!! Unnecessary obsession and paranoia about India is his area of expertise. You won't see this guy crying about USA vaccine politics.

I will say both parties have point. Serum institute is legally bound to supply us the vaccines they took money for and if there's a breach in deal we CAN sue them. We signed deal with Serum Institute not India. On the other hand your point is right too. We have no choice but to consider India's crisis on humanitarian ground. Any country will prioritize itself first in this kinda crisis. USA did, not sure about our deshi chagla politicians but i would've done it too. Doesn't matter if that breaks any deal.

Funding wasn't that necessary, Globe Biotech already developed it by itself. What necessary was timely approval of trial of Bongavax and our moronic leaders failed to do it due to their greed and politics. When other countries using everything they can get, our faggots are only worried foreign vaccines and nasal spray when Globe Biotech is ready to supply 10 million doses of vaccines per month.

Indian states run out of Covid-19 vaccines, nationwide inoculation delayed

Several Indian states have run out of Covid-19 vaccines a day before a planned widening of a nationwide inoculation drive, authorities said on Friday, as new infections in the crisis-hit country surged to another daily record.

www.thedailystar.net

Why did we not obtain the Astrazenica licence earlier?

Serum Institute obtained the licence before us for local production and regional distribution. Could we get that even after India getting the licence?

 

[Bilal9]

Two Covid related news report discussing India situation. Sorry Bengali only.

 

[casual]

seems like it'll be a while before India will have any vaccines for export. can Bangladesh demand a refund and sue for damages?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Serum Institute cannot deliver the vaccine to Bangladesh right now as the local demand has increased and the government put an export ban given the situation in India. And GoI has every right to halt the supply of vaccine to other countries. Once we get out of this difficult situation, we may unblock the supplies, those who want should wait for it instead of going gaga over it. Don't be emotional fools, think logically.

 

[fallstuff]

Bangladesh can sue India’s Serum: legal experts

Bangladesh can sue the Serum Institute of India Private Limited on the charge of breaching the contract by not supplying the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine as per a contract it signed with Bangladesh, according to legal experts.

On April 25, Bangladesh suspended its first dose of Covid vaccination for an indefinite period after the Serum Institute broke the deal of supplying three crore of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. The suspension came after Serum supplied only 70 lakh doses in two months against the purchase deal for supplying three crore doses in six months.

The legal experts cited the example of the European Union which launched legal action against the coronavirus vaccine manufacturer AstraZeneca to sue the company for not respecting its vaccine supply contract, and for not having a ‘reliable’ plan to ensure timely deliveries.

‘A breach of contract has definitely occurred by not providing the dose,’ arbitration expert and Supreme Court Moin Gani told New Age.

He said that the type of legal remedy for the damage can be determined after examining the terms and conditions of the contract.

He added that there are different legal remedies for different types of contracts.

A contract between Bangladesh’s government and that of India would follow one procedure while the contract between two private entities of the two countries would follow another procedure, he said.

Under the agreement, the Serum Institute of India should provide Bangladesh with 50 lakh doses each month starting from January 2021 but supplied 50 lakh doses in January and then 20 lakh doses in February before suspending the supply in March.

According to Finance Division officials, Bangladesh has already paid Tk 1,455.08 crore to the Serum Institute in two instalments for the procurement of 1.5 crore vaccine doses in advance.

Another arbitration expert and SC lawyer Md Asaduzzaman said that Serum must be sued for breaching the contract.

He said that the cause of action of the case would depend on the arbitration clauses of the tripartite agreement.

He said that a commercial arbitration case could be lodged with the International Arbitration Court by the government for breaching a commercial contract.

He said that if the deal does not contain any arbitration clause, then the course of action would be different and in that case, Bangladesh would have to file a case either in India or in Bangladesh.

Asaduzzaman said that everything will depend on how the deal was signed.

Dhaka University’s law professor Asif Nazrul said that the government should prosecute the Serum Institute to pressurise India for getting the dose as per the deal.

He also suggested that the government should hire a good lawyer to fight the case.

He said that under the contract law, Serum could only be excused from supplying the remaining doses in case of the collapse of its lab because of the natural disaster.

Arbitration expert and SC lawyer Md Mustafizur Rahman Khan said that it would be unwise to make any comment without going through the contract papers.

In a press release, the Directorate General of Health Services on April 25 said that the first-dose Covid vaccination would remain suspended until further order.

‘The Serum has failed to supply promised vaccines due to its export ban,’ DGHS line director Robed Amin told New Age after the virtual press conference in which he appealed for more supply from the Serum Institute.

‘We have asked Beximco Pharmaceuticals, the company responsible for bringing the vaccine doses from the Serum Institute under a tripartite agreement involving the Bangladesh government, to arrange for at least 20 lakh doses at the earliest possible time,’ Robed said in the press conference.

Bangladesh does not have in store enough vaccine doses to administer the second shot of the double-dose vaccine on more than 14 lakh people while another 14 lakh who registered for the vaccination but are yet to receive the jab.

The health agency data showed that until Sunday 5,818,400 people had received the first jab of the vaccine and 2,326,866 of them had their second dose.

Bangladesh has now over 20 lakh doses in store out of the 32 lakh doses it received as a gift from India in addition to the 70 lakh doses supplied by the Serum Institute.

The Indian High Commission in Dhaka issued the diplomatic note in response to a request from Bangladesh’s foreign ministry to expedite the supply of Serum’s Covid vaccine as per the deal.

A total of 72,24,307 people have registered online for inoculation until April 25, just before the government decided to suspend the first dose of the Covid vaccine.

Bangladesh can sue India’s Serum: legal experts

Bangladesh can sue the Serum Institute of India Private Limited on the charge of breaching the contract by not supplying the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine as per a contract it signed with Bangladesh, according to...

www.newagebd.net

Contracts always have clauses about unforseen events such as Government action, emergency declaration, and things like natural calamity.

 

[UKBengali]

Serum Institute cannot deliver the vaccine to Bangladesh right now as the local demand has increased and the government put an export ban given the situation in India. And GoI has every right to halt the supply of vaccine to other countries. Once we get out of this difficult situation, we may unblock the supplies, those who want should wait for it instead of going gaga over it. Don't be emotional fools, think logically.

Actually you don't have any right to block the sale of vaccines from a contractual point of view. Maybe ethnically as thousands are dying every day in India, some people in BD will understand the reasons why.

BD is ok at this time but when 2nd doses are due by early June, if that idiot Modi does not lift the ban then even the most-pro people in BD government will hate Modi with a passion.

Get the pandemic under control by following SOPs which a 5 year old child can understand and resume exports to BD by early June at the latest.

BD has already taking the necessary actions to take India out of the loop completely by next year by sourcing 4 million Sputnik vaccines from Russia to arrive later on this month and a production line will be set up to produce 10s of millions of doses this year and next.
Also, USA may give some millions of their 60 million spare AstraZeneca doses to BD as an insurance against Modi not resuming supplies in time for those in BD that need the 2nd dose.

I am not too happy that BD asked China for their low-efficacy Sinopharm vaccine and 500,000 doses will arrive in the first half of this month - suppose BD government thinks something is better than nothing.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Actually you don't have any right to block the sale of vaccines from a contractual point of view. Maybe ethnically as thousands are dying every day in India, some people in BD will understand the reasons why.

BD is ok at this time but when 2nd doses are due by early June, if that idiot Modi does not lift the ban then even the most-pro people in BD government will hate Modi with a passion.

Get the pandemic under control by following SOPs which a 5 year old child can understand and resume exports to BD by early June at the latest.

BD has already taking the necessary actions to take India out of the loop completely by next year by sourcing 4 million Sputnik vaccines from Russia to arrive later on this month and a production line will be set up to produce 10s of millions of doses this year and next.
Also, USA may give some millions of their 60 million spare AstraZeneca doses to BD as an insurance against Modi not resuming supplies in time for those in BD that need the 2nd dose.

I am not too happy that BD asked China for their low-efficacy Sinopharm vaccine and 500,000 doses will arrive in the first half of this month - suppose BD government thinks something is better than nothing.

Actually, we do, just like any other country including the UK who prioritized their citizens in the supply of Astrazeneca vaccines over the rest of Europe or the US who did the same. We too can prioritize the production and supply to us than the rest because we are in an increased covid spread. So, exporting vaccines while we have a shortage is not ideal.

Now coming to India, you can wish you can take us out completely, but if you want to vaccinate more than 150+ million people, you cannot do that with Russian or Chinese vaccines which are going to cost you billions of dollars. You will end up buying from us. So please reserve the hate Modi for a second. You can hate him after he gives them which usually is the case with you lot.

What the BD govt is going to end up doing is create hysteria of vaccine shortage, with people queueing up en masse and then blame India for your own incompetency.

 

[UKBengali]

Actually, we do, just like any other country including the UK who prioritized their citizens in the supply of Astrazeneca vaccines over the rest of Europe or the US who did the same. We too can prioritize the production and supply to us than the rest because we are in an increased covid spread. So, exporting vaccines while we have a shortage is not ideal.

Now coming to India, you can wish you can take us out completely, but if you want to vaccinate more than 150+ million people, you cannot do that with Russian or Chinese vaccines which are going to cost you billions of dollars. You will end up buying from us. So please reserve the hate Modi for a second. You can hate him after he gives them which usually is the case with you lot.

What the BD govt is going to end up doing is create hysteria of vaccine shortage, with people queueing up en masse and then blame India for your own incompetency.

They did not sign contracts with specific delivery dates unlike India.

Anyway like I say BD probably won't even need India for next 1-2 months if US can give a few million doses by the end of this month from its 60 million stockpile of AstraZeneca.

Modi is an idiot who still does not understand Covid-19 SOPs and has pushed BD into diversifying it's sources and becoming more self-reliant.
BD is now going ahead with full human trials on its own mRNA vaccine.

Incompetence? India is a test case of how not to handle a pandemic. Your incompetence is there for the world to see.

Only question is who is the biggest idiot leader in this whole pandemic? Bolsanaro or Modi? Vote now.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

My info comes from media interviews of Indian doctors. People who have already been infected previously as well as people that have been fully vaccinated are dying in the current wave in India. Maybe it has to do with mutant strains that are more virulent.

Yes, I have heard this on many video clips on youtube covering the Indian covid fiasco. People indeed are dieing despite being fully vaccinated.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bad planning from BD government. Relying on someone who in turn is relying on another country for raw materials! Vaccines are unfortunately becoming a strategic issue for every nation. Should have done the due diligence. That is where I commend Pakistani decision maker, going to China, a "one stop shop".

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Bad planning from BD government. Relying on someone who in turn is relying on another country for raw materials! Vaccines are unfortunately becoming a strategic issue for every nation. Should have done the due diligence. That is where I commend Pakistani decision maker, going to China, a "one stop shop".

Raw materials is for SII’s license made American vaccine NOVAVAX, we make raw materials for Covishield and Covaxin locally.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Raw materials is for SII’s license made American vaccine NOVAVAX, we make raw materials for Covishield and Covaxin locally.

Its not just raw materials but the manufacturing equipment as well. That why I said the nations needs to look into "one stop shop" which at the moment, is only China.

Explained: Why does India need Covid-19 vaccine ingredients from US? | Explained News,The Indian Express

 

[UKBengali]

Bad planning from BD government. Relying on someone who in turn is relying on another country for raw materials! Vaccines are unfortunately becoming a strategic issue for every nation. Should have done the due diligence. That is where I commend Pakistani decision maker, going to China, a "one stop shop".

Actually BD made a better choice than Pakistan did.

Pakistan is relying on a lower efficacy Chinese vaccine where one dose to all intents is useless, according to real-world Chile data.

Right now BD has provided effective protection to around 5-6% of its population, compared to 1% for Pakistan.

BD stocks of AstraZeneca will run out in 10 days but 3 things:

1. Nearly all the protection from AstraZeneca vaccine comes after the 1st dose
2. 2nd dose is recommeded after 12 weeks
3. US is handing out its huge unneeded stockpile of 60 million AstraZeneca doses in the latter half of May and BD will probably get a few million of these.


The chances are, as estimated by SII, that India will resume exports in late May/early June as by then they would have jabbed their most vulnerable 20% and so will have less need to use all the vaccines they manufacture.


As for Chinese vaccines in general, Turkey has used 23 million doses of Chinese vaccine since January and has had to go into lockdown just now. Chile also did the same last month and it immunised a high proportion of its population with Chinese vaccine to Pfizer in the ratio 90:10. Yes it is not just the vaccine at play here but the evidence is starting to suggest that Chinese vaccines have lower efficacy than Western ones.


Modi's export ban has pushed BD to turn to Russia both for emergency purchase of 4 million Sputnik doses, that will arrive later on this month, and local production in 2nd half of this year. BD has also given the go-ahead for human trials of its own mRNA vaccine.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually BD made a better choice than Pakistan did.

Pakistan is relying on a lower efficacy Chinese vaccine where one dose to all intents is useless, according to real-world Chile data.

Right now BD has provided effective protection to around 5-6% of its population, compared to 1% for Pakistan.

BD stocks of AstraZeneca will run out in 10 days but 3 things:

1. Nearly all the protection from AstraZeneca vaccine comes after the 1st dose
2. 2nd dose is recommeded after 12 weeks
3. US is handing out its huge unneeded stockpile of 60 million AstraZeneca doses in the latter half of May and BD will probably get a few million of these.


The chances are, as estimated by SII, that India will resume exports in late May/early June as by then they would have jabbed their most vulnerable 20% and so will have less need to use all the vaccines they manufacture.


As for Chinese vaccines in general, Turkey has used 23 million doses of Chinese vaccine since January and has had to go into lockdown just now. Chile also did the same last month and it immunised a high proportion of its population with Chinese vaccine to Pfizer in the ratio 90:10. Yes it is not just the vaccine at play here but the evidence is starting to suggest that Chinese vaccines have lower efficacy than Western ones.


Modi's export ban has pushed BD to turn to Russia both for emergency purchase of 4 million Sputnik doses, that will arrive later on this month, and local production in 2nd half of this year. BD has also given the go-ahead for human trials of its own mRNA vaccine.

Absolute bollocks mate. In India people are dieing who were already fully vaccinated. I have seen you used the chile example before, literally holding on to straws here.

In Pakistan all my folks are now fully vaccinated by Sinopharm. Its a very seamless process and managed professionally. The issue is the citizens of Pakistan not coming forth to register themselves due to stupid dogmas and what not.

Even Philippine president got himself vaccinated by Chinese vaccine few days ago when his FM was having go at China.

Bottom line is, on such serious matters like vaccine, you dont want to rely on a very complex supply chain, rather go for "one stop shop", which today is only China, and to some extent, Russia.