Serum has no right to halt vaccine supply as payment made in advance: Papon

[HostileInsurgent]

Actually BD made a better choice than Pakistan did.

Pakistan is relying on a lower efficacy Chinese vaccine where one dose to all intents is useless, according to real-world Chile data.

Right now BD has provided effective protection to around 5-6% of its population, compared to 1% for Pakistan.

BD stocks of AstraZeneca will run out in 10 days but 3 things:

1. Nearly all the protection from AstraZeneca vaccine comes after the 1st dose
2. 2nd dose is recommeded after 12 weeks
3. US is handing out its huge unneeded stockpile of 60 million AstraZeneca doses in the latter half of May and BD will probably get a few million of these.


The chances are, as estimated by SII, that India will resume exports in late May/early June as by then they would have jabbed their most vulnerable 20% and so will have less need to use all the vaccines they manufacture.


As for Chinese vaccines in general, Turkey has used 23 million doses of Chinese vaccine since January and has had to go into lockdown just now. Chile also did the same last month and it immunised a high proportion of its population with Chinese vaccine to Pfizer in the ratio 90:10. Yes it is not just the vaccine at play here but the evidence is starting to suggest that Chinese vaccines have lower efficacy than Western ones.


Modi's export ban has pushed BD to turn to Russia both for emergency purchase of 4 million Sputnik doses, that will arrive later on this month, and local production in 2nd half of this year. BD has also given the go-ahead for human trials of its own mRNA vaccine.

Our cases will peak tomorrow as per ministry of health so I pray for better.

 

[UKBengali]

Absolute bollocks mate. In India people are dieing who were already fully vaccinated. I have seen you used the chile example before, literally holding on to straws here.

In Pakistan all my folks are now fully vaccinated by Sinopharm. Its a very seamless process and managed professionally. The issue is the citizens of Pakistan not coming forth to register themselves due to stupid dogmas and what not.

Even Philippine president got himself vaccinated by Chinese vaccine few days ago when his FM was having go at China.

Bottom line is, on such serious matters like vaccine, you dont want to rely on a very complex supply chain, rather go for "one stop shop", which today is only China, and to some extent, Russia.

Proof please as regards India.

AstraZeneca vaccine is very effective and maybe slightly less so with India new variant, but remember only now India is at 10% vaccination level and so vast majority dead over last month were almost certainly not vaccinated.
Anyway even if “lots” with AstraZeneca died in India that is the fault of lack of oxygen supply in India as all vaccines are much better at preventing deaths than hospitalisations. Not AstraZeneca’s fault if India let the virus out too early in vaccination program and so did not have basic oxygen supplies to save those with severe disease.



Chile is unfortunate but Turkey as well? Unfortunate but the Chinese vaccine is almost certainly less effective than the Western vaccine.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Proof please as regards India.

AstraZeneca vaccine is very effective and maybe slightly less so with India new variant, but remember only now India is at 10% vaccination level and so majority dead over last month were almost certainly not vaccinated.
Anyway even if “lots” with AstraZeneca died in India that is the fault of lack of oxygen supply in India as all vaccines are much better at preventing deaths than hospitalisations. Not AstraZeneca’s fault if India let the virus out too early in vaccination program and so did not have basic oxygen supplies to save those with severe disease.



Chile is unfortunate but Turkey as well? Unfortunate but the Chinese vaccine is almost certainly less effective than the Western vaccine.

Mate what are you smoking. Astrazenca has been banned in how many countries? Even America hasnt approved it for its local use! Efficency data is questionable but what is not are the side effects. All bad news are surrounding the AstraZeneca unfortunately. You are holding on a third world Chile, here within EU this is what is happening:

Denmark permanently turns back on AstraZeneca – Oxford vaccine banned | World | News | Express.co.uk

Denmark permanently turns back on AstraZeneca – vaccine banned over 'serious side effects'


Covid-19: 180 people died after vaccination in India till March 29, over 6 crore inoculated by then (scroll.in)

As many as 180 people have died in India till March 29, after being vaccinated against coronavirus


If you follow the media coverage on the fiasco in India, there has been many testimonies by the people talking about how their loved ones dieing despite being vaccinated.

 

[Jackdaws]

India can invoke National Emergency and stop all vaccine exports Made In India for internal use. Of course, if Serum Institute has a plant overseas it can supply from that to meet its obligations. Such failsafes are built into contract.

 

[Chhatrapati]

They did not sign contracts with specific delivery dates unlike India.

Anyway like I say BD probably won't even need India for next 1-2 months if US can give a few million doses by the end of this month from its 60 million stockpile of AstraZeneca.

Modi is an idiot who still does not understand Covid-19 SOPs and has pushed BD into diversifying it's sources and becoming more self-reliant.
BD is now going ahead with full human trials on its own mRNA vaccine.

Incompetence? India is a test case of how not to handle a pandemic. Your incompetence is there for the world to see.

Only question is who is the biggest idiot leader in this whole pandemic? Bolsanaro or Modi? Vote now.

They signed an MOU with you, not a contract.

Why would the US give BD 60 million doses? Any agreements signed? I don't know if you did for the procurement, if so, do give me more on that.

Modi may or maynot be an idiot, I'm not sure how much vaccine supply to BD comes up in his mind, and there is no COVID-19 SOP apart from wearing a mask and treating the infected ones, vaccinate, avoid crowding. I don't know about your human trials, but it took all countries a year or two to develop vaccines. It's not like making candies, even with one of the worlds largest production capacity we are able to produce only around 100 million doses a month. Imagine you, making a vaccine, completing double blindsided trials, mind you, our covaxin haven't published the full data on the 3rd phase, it takes months.

How is India incompetent, almost all countries where Covid ravaged faced similar situations of shortages of bed, and supplies. Even the western nations couldn't deal with it effectively. Forget India who has a per capita income of a few thousand dollars.

Modi is an idiot for sending vaccines to a bunch of ungrateful SOBs who doesn't deserve the goodwill. He should've prioritized vaccination in India before sharing it with others. Although a few million doses would not have made any difference and given we vaccinate more than two million people a day.

 

[Jackdaws]

They signed an MOU with you, not a contract.

Why would the US give BD 60 million doses? Any agreements signed? I don't know if you did for the procurement, if so, do give me more on that.

Modi may or maynot be an idiot, I'm not sure how much vaccine supply to BD comes up in his mind, and there is no COVID-19 SOP apart from wearing a mask and treating the infected ones, vaccinate, avoid crowding. I don't know about your human trials, but it took all countries a year or two to develop vaccines. It's not like making candies, even with one of the worlds largest production capacity we are able to produce only around 100 million doses a month. Imagine you, making a vaccine, completing double blindsided trials, mind you, our covaxin haven't published the full data on the 3rd phase, it takes months.

How is India incompetent, almost all countries where Covid ravaged faced similar situations of shortages of bed, and supplies. Even the western nations couldn't deal with it effectively. Forget India who has a per capita income of a few thousand dollars.

Modi is an idiot for sending vaccines to a bunch of ungrateful SOBs who doesn't deserve the goodwill. He should've prioritized vaccination in India before sharing it with others. Although a few million doses would not have made any difference and given we vaccinate more than two million people a day.

Let's not forget. Bangladesh is a quasi colony of India. We must take care of them too.

 

[UKBengali]

Mate what are you smoking. Astrazenca has been banned in how many countries? Even America hasnt approved it for its local use! Efficency data is questionable but what is not are the side effects. All bad news are surrounding the AstraZeneca unfortunately. You are holding on a third world Chile, here within EU this is what is happening:

Denmark permanently turns back on AstraZeneca – Oxford vaccine banned | World | News | Express.co.uk

Denmark permanently turns back on AstraZeneca – vaccine banned over 'serious side effects'


Covid-19: 180 people died after vaccination in India till March 29, over 6 crore inoculated by then (scroll.in)

As many as 180 people have died in India till March 29, after being vaccinated against coronavirus


If you follow the media coverage on the fiasco in India, there has been many testimonies by the people talking about how their loved ones dieing despite being vaccinated.

Turkey explanation please and then we can carry on with this.

 

[fallstuff]

Actually, we do, just like any other country including the UK who prioritized their citizens in the supply of Astrazeneca vaccines over the rest of Europe or the US who did the same. We too can prioritize the production and supply to us than the rest because we are in an increased covid spread. So, exporting vaccines while we have a shortage is not ideal.

Now coming to India, you can wish you can take us out completely, but if you want to vaccinate more than 150+ million people, you cannot do that with Russian or Chinese vaccines which are going to cost you billions of dollars. You will end up buying from us. So please reserve the hate Modi for a second. You can hate him after he gives them which usually is the case with you lot.

What the BD govt is going to end up doing is create hysteria of vaccine shortage, with people queueing up en masse and then blame India for your own incompetency.

Only an Indian understand this logic, it makes no sense at all !

Proof please as regards India.

AstraZeneca vaccine is very effective and maybe slightly less so with India new variant, but remember only now India is at 10% vaccination level and so vast majority dead over last month were almost certainly not vaccinated.
Anyway even if “lots” with AstraZeneca died in India that is the fault of lack of oxygen supply in India as all vaccines are much better at preventing deaths than hospitalisations. Not AstraZeneca’s fault if India let the virus out too early in vaccination program and so did not have basic oxygen supplies to save those with severe disease.



Chile is unfortunate but Turkey as well? Unfortunate but the Chinese vaccine is almost certainly less effective than the Western vaccine.

I don't blame India as Indians did what they always do, but blame the esteemed BD Govt for placing all the eggs in the Indian basket.