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Sell JF-17 to African countries

I was wondering why PAF doesn’t sell its entire fleet of 50 ~ 80 odd JF-17 block 1s to African countries after overhaul and upgrade of radar and avionics to block 1.5 standards. At let’s say 10 million a piece+ spares and weapons. These air forces like Congo etc. will use them for ground attack and some air defence.

this would free up resources to buy more block 3s and 4s

k
Bhai saheb.
On the one hand we have a shortage of 4th generation planes, cannot replace more than 1 squadron a year, still hace a 100 plus legacy fighters and you want to sell your 4th generation fighter to them. What will you replace them with when your yearly output to date is 12 planes as per PAF plans and statements.
Bhai khairiyat? Can you explain the logic again in light of the information above.
A
 
??????? Respectfully confused…… is this not the Pakistani Defence forum where we debate Pakistani defense related questions?…


I disagree with you assessments. The mirages will have to stay for a while till we build or acquire a twin engine heavy payload strike platform. So these can’t be replaced by block 1s

f-7pg are cheaper to fly and provide cas and point air Defense against Indian drones at a much much cheaper price point ….so no

so f-16s , mirages , if-17 block 2 and 3s are here to stay for a while. why spend in maintaining and flying the Ja-17 block 1s when we can sell them and build more if-17 block 3s


the cost of acquisition is much lower than cost of operation …. may I respectfully suggest reading an economics book or two

k

wash your face few times and read the forum. You will get all the answers. If you don't understand, then post questions that are relevant and make sense.

JF-17 Block3 and J-10C will replace F-7p /pg and most of the Mirage III/V. Maybe one squadron of Mirage will stay until 2024.


Current inventory


AircraftOriginTypeVariantIn serviceNotes
Combat Aircraft
Mirage 5Franceattack5EF/F/PA92[93]of which 2 5DPA2 variants provide training
Mirage IIIFranceinterceptorIIIEP/OF/RP87of which 18 IIIBE/D/DP variants conversion provide training[93]
Chengdu J-7ChinafighterF-7PG135[93]
Chengdu J-10ChinamultiroleJ-10c36 on order[94]
JF-17 ThunderChina / Pakistanmultirole138[95][96][97]50 on order[95][96][97]
F-16 Fighting FalconUnited StatesmultiroleF-16A/C75[93]of which 31 B/D variants provide conversion training[93]



Combat Squadrons
SquadronNicknameRoleCommandWingDate EstablishedBaseAircraftNotes
2 SquadronMinhasiansMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing15 April 1956PAF Base ShahbazJF-17[4][5][6][7][8]
5 SquadronFalconsMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing15 August 1947PAF Base ShahbazF-16C/D Block 52+[9]
7 SquadronBanditsTactical AttackSouthern Air Command32 TA WingJune 1960PAF Base MasroorMirage III ROSE I
8 SquadronHaidersTactical AttackSouthern Air Command32 TA Wing11 May 1960PAF Base MasroorMirage 5PA2/PA3[10]
9 SquadronGriffinsMulti-roleCentral Air Command38 MR Wing3 January 1944PAF Base MushafF-16AM/BM[11]
11 SquadronArrowsMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing1 January 1949PAF Base ShahbazF-16 AM/BM[12]
14 SquadronTail ChoppersMulti-roleCentral Air Command34 TA Wing1 November 1948PAF Base RafiquiJF-17[13][7][8]
15 SquadronCobrasTactical AttackCentral Air Command33 TA Wing5 June 1956PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5PA
16 SquadronBlack PanthersMulti-roleNorthern Air Command33 Tactical WingApril 1957PAF Base MinhasJF-17[14]
17 SquadronTigersAir SuperiorityNorthern Air Command36 TA Wing1 April 1957PAF Base PeshawarF-7PG[15]
23 SquadronTalonsAir SuperioritySouthern Air Command31 AS Wing16 March 1961PAF Base SamungliF-7PG[15]
25 SquadronEaglesTactical AttackCentral Air Command34 TA WingJanuary 1966PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5 ROSE II[16][17]
26 SquadronBlack SpidersMulti-roleNorthern Air Command36 TA Wing30 August 1967PAF Base PeshawarJF-17[18]
27 SquadronZarrarsTactical AttackCentral Air Command34 TA WingApril 2007PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5 ROSE III[19]
28 SquadronPhoenixesMulti-roleSouthern Air Command31 AS Wing28 February 2018PAF Base SamungliJF-17[20]
 
Why only JF 17?, Pakistan can sell weapons to Sri Lanka and others and get Tea and other items and can sell imported items in the country...
 
Why only JF 17?, Pakistan can sell weapons to Sri Lanka and others and get Tea and other items and can sell imported items in the country...
Ban Tea. Waste of foreign exchange. Nation is so addicted to it and they wouldn’t do a thing without gulping few cups.

like American analysts stated in his classified report, “Pakistanis are nation at rest”. matlab Faring qom.
 
Bhai saheb.
On the one hand we have a shortage of 4th generation planes, cannot replace more than 1 squadron a year, still hace a 100 plus legacy fighters and you want to sell your 4th generation fighter to them. What will you replace them with when your yearly output to date is 12 planes as per PAF plans and statements.
Bhai khairiyat? Can you explain the logic again in light of the information above.
A
Jf-17 block 1 are more 3.5 gen than 4 , block 2 onwards are 4 gen …. So why keep jf-17 block 1 they and f-7pg are a strain on our operational budget.

k
 
Jf-17 block 1 and 2 will be upgraded to block 3 standard. These birds will be deadly with aesa + pl-15 and pl-10e. We should think about replacing pg’s and mirages first before jf-17’s
 
Jf-17 block 1 and 2 will be upgraded to block 3 standard. These birds will be deadly with aesa + pl-15 and pl-10e. We should think about replacing pg’s and mirages first before jf-17’s
How will you do that without major structural upgrades, will it be cheaper than buying a brand new jf-17 block 3 ???? While we do wait for this upgrade to block 1. We will incur the cost of maintain these aircraft.

why not sell these for 25 ish million each and from the money build more block 3s and upgrade block 2s?

Why not build up to 40 jf-17s a year????
k
 
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I was wondering why PAF doesn’t sell its entire fleet of 50 ~ 80 odd JF-17 block 1s to African countries after overhaul and upgrade of radar and avionics to block 1.5 standards. At let’s say 10 million a piece+ spares and weapons. These air forces like Congo etc. will use them for ground attack and some air defence.

this would free up resources to buy more block 3s and 4s

k
There aren't as many countries capable of operating a fighter fleet as there were back in the Cold War days. You're right in that surplus Block-Is could be a great deal, I don't see DRC or other Sub-Saharan African countries being able to buy them, even for $10 mil per aircraft. IMO the biggest market for Block-Is will be private firms offering DACT services to NATO.
 
How will you do that without major structural upgrades, will it be cheaper than buying a brand new jf-17 block 3 ???? While we do wait for this upgrade to block 1. We will incur the cost of maintain these aircraft.

why not sell these for 25 ish million each and from the money build more block 3s and upgrade block 2s?

Why not build up to 40 jf-17s a year????
k
Where is this queue of countries wanting to buy the jf17 block1s.
Strawman argument.
 
Where is this queue of countries wanting to buy the jf17 block1s.
Strawman argument.
Congo , Botswana, Central African Republic , Sudan both of them and one day somalia, the problem is a lock of marketing and effectiveness of our foreign missions which are sitting on their asses . Most of African is run by the Chinese why doesn’t our foreign ministry not prioritize weapons sale in all parts of Africa, Eastern Europe , Sri Lanka and smaller Asian countries like combos is, Thailand etc.

k
I am not going to name the person but when hong kong was being returned to China there was an Indian business man that would be on the ruling council l. Our dumb *** ambassador was sitting pretty till the Pakistanis in Hong Kong raised hell and started protesting outside the Pakistani embassy. On this the ambassador wrote a letter to the paksitani embassy in peaking now Beijing and a Pakistani was also added to the council. One fing Letter is all it took

k
 
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Can African countries buy jf-17???, Most of them extremely poor and war stricken

Good luck selling anything with that attitude. By the way, Africa is made of many countries, many which have higher GDP than you country. Have some humility and stop speaking like some super power. Parts of your country have it worse than even the poorest African countries.
 
I was wondering why PAF doesn’t sell its entire fleet of 50 ~ 80 odd JF-17 block 1s to African countries after overhaul and upgrade of radar and avionics to block 1.5 standards. At let’s say 10 million a piece+ spares and weapons. These air forces like Congo etc. will use them for ground attack and some air defence.

this would free up resources to buy more block 3s and 4s

k

I thought PAF had already upgraded all/most of Block1s to Block2s, thats what i had read a few years ago
 
wash your face few times and read the forum. You will get all the answers. If you don't understand, then post questions that are relevant and make sense.

JF-17 Block3 and J-10C will replace F-7p /pg and most of the Mirage III/V. Maybe one squadron of Mirage will stay until 2024.


Current inventory


AircraftOriginTypeVariantIn serviceNotes
Combat Aircraft
Mirage 5Franceattack5EF/F/PA92[93]of which 2 5DPA2 variants provide training
Mirage IIIFranceinterceptorIIIEP/OF/RP87of which 18 IIIBE/D/DP variants conversion provide training[93]
Chengdu J-7ChinafighterF-7PG135[93]
Chengdu J-10ChinamultiroleJ-10c36 on order[94]
JF-17 ThunderChina / Pakistanmultirole138[95][96][97]50 on order[95][96][97]
F-16 Fighting FalconUnited StatesmultiroleF-16A/C75[93]of which 31 B/D variants provide conversion training[93]



Combat Squadrons
SquadronNicknameRoleCommandWingDate EstablishedBaseAircraftNotes
2 SquadronMinhasiansMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing15 April 1956PAF Base ShahbazJF-17[4][5][6][7][8]
5 SquadronFalconsMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing15 August 1947PAF Base ShahbazF-16C/D Block 52+[9]
7 SquadronBanditsTactical AttackSouthern Air Command32 TA WingJune 1960PAF Base MasroorMirage III ROSE I
8 SquadronHaidersTactical AttackSouthern Air Command32 TA Wing11 May 1960PAF Base MasroorMirage 5PA2/PA3[10]
9 SquadronGriffinsMulti-roleCentral Air Command38 MR Wing3 January 1944PAF Base MushafF-16AM/BM[11]
11 SquadronArrowsMulti-roleSouthern Air Command39 Tactical Wing1 January 1949PAF Base ShahbazF-16 AM/BM[12]
14 SquadronTail ChoppersMulti-roleCentral Air Command34 TA Wing1 November 1948PAF Base RafiquiJF-17[13][7][8]
15 SquadronCobrasTactical AttackCentral Air Command33 TA Wing5 June 1956PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5PA
16 SquadronBlack PanthersMulti-roleNorthern Air Command33 Tactical WingApril 1957PAF Base MinhasJF-17[14]
17 SquadronTigersAir SuperiorityNorthern Air Command36 TA Wing1 April 1957PAF Base PeshawarF-7PG[15]
23 SquadronTalonsAir SuperioritySouthern Air Command31 AS Wing16 March 1961PAF Base SamungliF-7PG[15]
25 SquadronEaglesTactical AttackCentral Air Command34 TA WingJanuary 1966PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5 ROSE II[16][17]
26 SquadronBlack SpidersMulti-roleNorthern Air Command36 TA Wing30 August 1967PAF Base PeshawarJF-17[18]
27 SquadronZarrarsTactical AttackCentral Air Command34 TA WingApril 2007PAF Base RafiquiMirage 5 ROSE III[19]
28 SquadronPhoenixesMulti-roleSouthern Air Command31 AS Wing28 February 2018PAF Base SamungliJF-17[20]

awwwww you can make tables so cute 🥰, what else can you do ????

this is soooooo dumb that I won’t even respond to this …… the most advanced aircraft in PAF inventory J-10c is bought to replace our f-7pg just because there squadron number is the same……..

Kinney war desiay na kay sassti bheng na piya kar yara!!!!

k
 
Block 1s are cannon fodder. I had heard we could produce 25/ year now due to second production line ?

k
wrong. no such thing as a block 1 in PAF inventory. they all have been upgraded to block 2s and the block 2s are no cannon fodders by any attack of the imagination.
 

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