Secularists should 'mend ways or leave country', says PTI lawmaker

[Verve]

And what has Banking practices got to do with Secularism ???



Quote Jinnah's words if you can, not your own

Pillars of the state based on Islam yet governance is Secular ... hahahah .. you are

Your argument has been nullified and rejection of all 'isms' (that includes Secularism) referenced as well.

Keep regurgitating whatever you are paid to spread.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Your argument has been nullified. Keep regurgitating whatever you are paid to spread.

Whatever helps you sleep at night ...

 

[Verve]

Whatever helps you sleep at night ...

I'm part of the majority that will have our way, and you are that tiny minority who be fuming your whole lifetime because you failed to have your way.

Sleep well Mr Secular/Liberal or whatever mix you are

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For other PDF members: ..

Jinnah:

• February 1948 at Malir Cantt. You have to safeguard our ‘Islamic Democracy’, based on social justice and for the furtherance of the principles of Islamic equality and brotherhood; social equality and unity are the cardinal principles of our ‘Deen’ and our civilizational and cultural values.

• 23 March 1948, at Chittagong. I can say with conviction that our system of governance shall be based on the foundation of basic principles of Islam, which shall be democratic. These principles are applicable in our lives now as these were thirteen hundred years ago.

There has never been any mention of Secular Democracy or any system based on any other ideology/concept/religion other than Islam. Whenever Jinnah talked of governance, he clearly stated Islam as the foundation.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I'm part of the majority that will have our way, and you are that tiny minority who be fuming your whole lifetime because you failed to have your way.

The obedience of the majority is forbidden in Quran anyway, as they follow the guess work:

https://quranonly.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/majority-vs-quran/

 

[Verve]

The obedience of the majority is forbidden in Quran anyway, as they follow the guess work:

https://quranonly.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/majority-vs-quran/

Allah S.W.T also says to establish His prescribed system on the land. You are clearly ignoring that command and twisting what I said as 'obedience'.

Minorities like you want to establish systems that Allah does not prescribe.

 

[AUz]

The obedience of the majority is forbidden in Quran anyway, as they follow the guess work:

https://quranonly.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/majority-vs-quran/

Shares a link from "Quranonly" heretic group that do not even acknowledge any sunnah or hadiths, and are not even Muslims by consensus of scholars of Islam.

Yeah, next time site a Vishnu website for your claim regarding Islam. Very credible Mr Secular Liberal

 

[M. Sarmad]

Allah S.W.T also says to establish His prescribed system on the land. You are clearly ignoring that command and twisting what I said as 'obedience'.

Minorities like you want to establish systems that Allah does not prescribe.

Please quote the Ayat/Surah in which Allah has said that

Shares a link from "Quranonly" heretic group that do not even acknowledge any sunnah or hadiths, and are not even Muslims by consensus of scholars of Islam.

Yeah, next time site a Vishnu website for your claim regarding Islam. Very credible Mr Secular Liberal

So Now those who follow Qur'an are not Muslims according to you ??

You are laughing at Quranic verses ??

May Allah guide you

 

[Verve]

Please quote the Ayat/Surah in which Allah has said that

Go read The Quran. A lot of misconceptions will be cleared and I'm not here to spoon feed you.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Go read The Quran. A lot of misconceptions will be cleared and I'm not here to spoon feed you.

Why don't you read it yourself ? And Please refrain from attributing false statements to Allah S.W.T./Quran

You are doing it for the second time now (on this thread)

 

[Verve]

Why don't you read it yourself ? And Please refrain from attributing false statements to Allah S.W.T./Quran

You are doing it for the second time now (on this thread)

It is you who has been exposed a liar and propagandist here ... and now you are accusing me of blasphemy! Wow!

 

[M. Sarmad]

It is you who has been exposed a liar and propagandist here ... and now you are accusing me of blasphemy! Wow!

Listen kid, I have been tolerating you and trying to educate you. But if you choose to remain ignorant, it's up to you.

First you lied that Allah has declared Freethinkers as unbelievers. And now you have lied again that Allah has commanded us to establish his prescribed system on the land. And when asked to quote exact verse/surah you start calling others liar.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:

Who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against Allah to lead astray men without knowledge? (6:144)



You should be careful, very careful, when discussing such matters. Differences aside, we are all Muslims and we all believe in Qur'an as the unaltered word of Allah almighty.

Peace

 

[Verve]

Listen kid, I have been tolerating you and trying to educate you. But if you choose to remain ignorant, it's up to you.

First you lied that Allah has declared Freethinkers as unbelievers. And now you have lied again that Allah has told us to establish his prescribed system. And when asked to quote verse/surah you start calling other liars.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:

Who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against Allah to lead astray men without knowledge? (6:144)



You should be careful, very careful, when discussing such matters. Differences aside, we are all Muslims and we all believe in Qur'an as the unaltered word of Allah almighty.

Peace

Your education is not required. I did not enrol in your class.


And Allah sent us Quran and the Prophets (PBUT) for what purposes? And do you think Quran is mute on the rule of law?

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book (the Quran) fully detailed ?" 6:114

 

[M. Sarmad]

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book (the Quran) fully detailed ?" 6:114

[say thou:] "Am I, then, to look unto anyone but God for judgment [as to what is right and wrong], when it is He who has bestowed upon you from on high this divine writ, clearly spelling out the truth?" (Trans: Muhammad Asad)

"hakaman" means "judge"

http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/114/


إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

Command/Judgement rests with Allah alone

 

[Verve]

[say thou:] "Am I, then, to look unto anyone but God for judgment [as to what is right and wrong], when it is He who has bestowed upon you from on high this divine writ, clearly spelling out the truth?" (Trans: Muhammad Asad)

"hakaman" means "judge"

There are various translations.

Hakaman means 'judge' AND 'source of law' both.

Command/Judgement rests with Allah alone

Yes, and Quran communicates those.

 

[VCheng]

The answer is so simple that it is north worth saying. 1973 Constitution was the only one unanimously accepted by all the parties. I would therefore do away with all the amendments in the constitution which were enacted by Zia-ul Haq.

Even before we get to the Constitution, we still have a more basic problem to address and that is the lack of any basis for the State to become the enforcer of religion. What needs to be done away with is the Objectives Resolution and all that is based off of it.