Secularists should 'mend ways or leave country', says PTI lawmaker

[M. Sarmad]

Believe what you want.

When the 4 eyes will question you in your grave, tell them that you were a free-thinker and took Quran as a mere suggestion.

I didn't say that, did I ? I only pointed it to you that you were mistaken in translating "Al-Fujjar(a)" as "Freethinkers" ... It means "Evil-Doers"

 

[Verve]

He will keep beating around the bush, its a method that works for them so leave him in his condition, his ego will never allow him to see reason, i have debated with a lot of goora athiests and liberals online and they offer real arguments and one enjoys debating with them, they raise valid questions and accept reason when answer is given because they really believe their ideologies to be right hence are not hypocrittes and can be made to see reason with a little effort but these desi liberals are hypocritted, remember the hypcrittes of medina were more dangerous than the kuffar of makkah, these desi liberals are born out of half inferiority complex, quater wanabe gora, quater pleasing the current powerful, they have no original thought process of thier own, they just follow which ever light discos more...


Allahs word is a mere suggestion to them yet the word of a human body of parliment must be enforced according to them...

Yes, I live amongst these liberal secular goras and they consider liberalism and secularism to be 'belief systems' completely disconnected from all religion. You are right, our desi liberals/seculars are trying to retain the label of being muslims but turning Islam into some sort of liberal/secular version they want to somehow come to an agreement with.

I didn't say that, did I ? I only pointed it to you that you were mistaken in translating "Al-Fujjar(a)" as "Freethinkers" ... It means "Evil-Doers"

Go with your thinking and live this test, no one is coming in your way and no one can. Allah knows all your thoughts, think what you want but just bear in mind that there is no hiding from Him.

Good luck with your test.

 

[Finer]

I'm going to open a thread soon where liberals and seculars should join in to form a desired constitution of Pakistan.



I have posted the examples before, specifically on Libertines. Time permitting, I will find and post the exac ayats.

That is not example or better yet, no verse to relate on the specific topic. We will wait.

 

[M. Sarmad]

As for state laws, majority decides. No minority is always happy with what the majority decides. That's how it goes.

Generous treatment of minorities and granting them equal rights is not a commendable Western Secular principle but a mandatory Islamic injunction

 

[Verve]

That is not example or better yet, no verse for the specific topic. We will wait.

I guess you also missed it, and soon you will also come up with different translations.

 

[Finer]

I didn't say that, did I ? I only pointed it to you that you were mistaken in translating "Al-Fujjar(a)" as "Freethinkers" ... It means "Evil-Doers"

I was wondering the same. Why would GOD be against Freethinkers when GOD encourages us to seek the knowledge with open-mind in the first place? Due to the poor translation from Verve, now it makes sense if the topic was to divulge on Evil-Doers.

Thanks for the clarification.

I guess you also missed it, and soon you will also come up with different translations.

What? Clearly, you are not man of the knowledge when it comes to Holy Quran which has been clarified by @Azlan Haider.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Secularists must leave Pakistan. They do not belong here.

 

[Verve]

Generous treatment of minorities and granting them equal rights is not a commendable Western Secular principle but a mandatory Islamic injunction

And Quranic laws provide that protection for minorities, clearly. And equal rights doesn't mean that minorities can dictate muslims living according to their ways or to put up with their vulgarities.

Commendable Western Seculars have banned head scarf and burkinis.

 

[Finer]

Secularists must leave Pakistan. They do not belong here.

Backward conservatives must leave Canada. They do not belong in the progressive Canada.

 

[The Sandman]

Backward conservatives must leave Canada. They do not belong in the progressive Canada.

"Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire - and never will you find for them a helper" - 4:145
I just don't have words for the hypocrisy that is being shown not only here but also by the mullahs and the irony is that he lives in one of the most liberal countries...

 

[Awan68]

I was wondering the same. Why would GOD be against Freethinkers when GOD encourages us to seek the knowledge with open-mind in the first place? Due to the poor translation from Verve, now it makes sense if the topic was to divulge on Evil-Doers.

Thanks for the clarification.



What? Clearly, you are not man of the knowledge when it comes to Holy Quran which has been clarified by @Azlan Haider.

Lol werent u defending nawaz shareef on another thread n here i see u lecturing on freethinking, lol

 

[M. Sarmad]

And Quranic laws provide that protection for minorities, clearly.

But unfortunately, discrimination against minorities is embedded in the Constitution and Laws of Islamic Republic of Pakistan !!

 

[Verve]

I was wondering the same. Why would GOD be against Freethinkers when GOD encourages us to seek the knowledge with open-mind in the first place? Due to the poor translation from Verve, now it makes sense if the topic was to divulge on Evil-Doers.

Thanks for the clarification.



What? Clearly, you are not man of the knowledge when it comes to Holy Quran which has been clarified by @Azlan Haider.

As you say. A J Arberry's english translation is considered one of the best around, but each to their own.

"Be men possessed of minds' is not free-thinkers .... Time and time again, Quran says to reflect on Allah's creations and commands. This does not mean to reflect on things ignoring Allah's words and signs. When you start ignoring Allah's commands as mere suggestions, you become free-thinkers.

 

[Finer]

80:42
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Translation by A. J. Arberry: those -- they are the unbelievers, the libertines.

What Surah is that verse from? Clearly you are picking three words instead of the whole Surah to give better clarity for the understanding which is not really your strong suit.

As you say. A J Arberry's english translation is considered one of the best around, but each to their own.

"Be men possessed of minds' is not free-thinkers .... Time and time again, Quran says to reflect on Allah's creations and commands and think/reflect. This does not mean to reflect on things ignoring Allah's words and signs. When you start ignoring Allah's commands as mere suggestions, you become free-thinkers.

Care to explain how exactly free-thinkers ignores Allah's words and signs? Again, the examples would be nice since you are struggling to make your points clear.

 

[Awan68]

"Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire - and never will you find for them a helper" - 4:145
I just don't have words for the hypocrisy that is being shown not only here but also by the mullahs. How ironic that he lives in one of the most liberal countries...

Yara why are u enforcing the above verse on us when u believe that quranic verses must never be enforced but only be voluntarily followed??, whos bieng a hypocritte now, using quranic verses to debate the advocates of quranic law, ur hypocrissy is on whole another level dude...