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Second disaster for Elon Musk, Tesla announces worst ever quarterly losses

Yes, it is the Chinese members of this forum who have caused Tesla to suffer a $2 billion loss this year alone, almost triple the loss from last year. And it's also the Chinese members here who caused the rocket to miss both Mars and the asteroid belt. :P

And it is Chinese members who will make Tesla suffer even a larger loss this year because it is China's fault to be world's largest e-vehicle producing and consuming nation.

I don't think Tesla has a problem in the marketing department, with Elon Musk prancing around the world doing everything he can to be the center of attention (a bit like Donald Trump but with a more annoying name, and less threats of nuclear war).

I do not think the launch added any further publicity and it won't reflect on tesla's sales because the brand already had all the possible publicity and support by the US media. If the previous publicity led to a $2billion loss, I think the current publicity will only provide some Kardashian style flame and die out until the next big ego-booster with borrowed money is carried out.
 
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And it is Chinese members who will make Tesla suffer even a larger loss this year because it is China's fault to be world's largest e-vehicle producing and consuming nation.

China is now the largest consumer market in the world.

One of the reasons the iPhone X had to cut their production was because there was low demand for it in China.

These products will never beat domestic alternatives in China. Though I wonder why we didn't straight up ban Apple from China after they blocked Huawei in the US.
 
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The Market Is Finally Tired of Tesla Inc’s Broken Promises
CEO Elon Musk looks like he's strung investors along for the last time
By JAMES BRUMLEY, InvestorPlace Feature Writer

Here we go again.

On Wednesday, Tesla Inc (NASDAQ:TSLA) chief executive Elon Musk made some bold promises about near-term production and near-term profitability. Specifically, the celebrity CEO believes sustained quarterly income for the loss-laden carmaker will soon become a reality. But that promise is largely predicated on a pace of Model 3 production that’s still well above the current pace.

At a different time and with a different history, such an outlook would have catapulted Tesla stock higher. Having heard these promises before, though — with most of them ending up unmet — it should come as no surprise TSLA shares didn’t charge higher in after-hours trading.

It’s a problem. Tesla stock is a name that has historically largely moved in response to traders’ hopes. Now they’ve learned that can’t really afford to get their hopes up.

Tesla Earnings Recap

By Tesla standards, the fourth quarter results and the discussion packaged along with them were relatively typical. The company ended up losing a little less than expected and generating a little more revenue than expected. But Tesla is still miles away from an actual (or even an operating) profit.

The specifics: For the quarter ending December, Tesla turned $3.29 billion worth of revenue into an operating loss of $3.04 per share of Tesla stock.

The top line was well above the year-earlier total of $2.28 billion in sales, mostly thanks to a rise in auto sales, though solar and energy storage sales were also up. But, the operating loss widened from the $2.92 per share loss booked in the fourth quarter of 2016. Analysts were expecting a loss of $3.12 per share of TSLA, and revenue of $3.28 billion.

That wasn’t the eye-popping part of the report though. In the shareholder letter detailing last quarter’s results, Elon Musk commented:

“At some point in 2018, we expect to begin generating positive quarterly operating income on a sustained basis. With the planned ramp of both Model 3 and our energy storage products, our rate of revenue growth this year is poised to significantly exceed last year’s growth rate… We continue to target weekly Model 3 production rates of 2,500 by the end of Q1 and 5,000 by the end of Q2.”

For perspective, Tesla delivered 1,542 Model 3 cars during the quarter.

It all sounds compelling enough. Trouble is, investors have heard this bullish chatter too many times in the past to trust in the present.

Heard it All Before

To be crystal clear, most CEOs put on a bullish game face, spreading optimism appropriately. Optimism isn’t the issue with Musk.

The issue with Musk is a long history of overpromising and under-delivering, so much so that the market now assumes there’s little to no truth in his most recent round of expectations.

There are certainly good reasons for current and would-be owners of Tesla stock to entertain those doubts:

In early 2016, Musk predicted non-GAAP profitability for the year, GAAP profitability for the fourth quarter of the year, and positive cash flow for the full year. It didn’t happen.

In July of last year Musk suggested to Tesla stock owners that the company would be able to crank out 20,000 Model 3 vehicles per week by the end of the year. The company shipped only 1,542 for the whole quarter.

In October of 2016, Musk said he didn’t foresee Tesla or SolarCity needing to raise more cash, either through the sale of shares or the issuance of debt. It was a true statement, but only for a short while. In August of last year, the company issued $1.8 billion in new debt.

https://investorplace.com/2018/02/tesla-stock-broken-promises/#.Wn-p5NY1PA1
 
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The Market Is Finally Tired of Tesla Inc’s Broken Promises
CEO Elon Musk looks like he's strung investors along for the last time

By JAMES BRUMLEY, InvestorPlace Feature Writer

Here we go again.

On Wednesday, Tesla Inc (NASDAQ:TSLA) chief executive Elon Musk made some bold promises about near-term production and near-term profitability. Specifically, the celebrity CEO believes sustained quarterly income for the loss-laden carmaker will soon become a reality. But that promise is largely predicated on a pace of Model 3 production that’s still well above the current pace.

At a different time and with a different history, such an outlook would have catapulted Tesla stock higher. Having heard these promises before, though — with most of them ending up unmet — it should come as no surprise TSLA shares didn’t charge higher in after-hours trading.

It’s a problem. Tesla stock is a name that has historically largely moved in response to traders’ hopes. Now they’ve learned that can’t really afford to get their hopes up.

Tesla Earnings Recap

By Tesla standards, the fourth quarter results and the discussion packaged along with them were relatively typical. The company ended up losing a little less than expected and generating a little more revenue than expected. But Tesla is still miles away from an actual (or even an operating) profit.

The specifics: For the quarter ending December, Tesla turned $3.29 billion worth of revenue into an operating loss of $3.04 per share of Tesla stock.

The top line was well above the year-earlier total of $2.28 billion in sales, mostly thanks to a rise in auto sales, though solar and energy storage sales were also up. But, the operating loss widened from the $2.92 per share loss booked in the fourth quarter of 2016. Analysts were expecting a loss of $3.12 per share of TSLA, and revenue of $3.28 billion.

That wasn’t the eye-popping part of the report though. In the shareholder letter detailing last quarter’s results, Elon Musk commented:

“At some point in 2018, we expect to begin generating positive quarterly operating income on a sustained basis. With the planned ramp of both Model 3 and our energy storage products, our rate of revenue growth this year is poised to significantly exceed last year’s growth rate… We continue to target weekly Model 3 production rates of 2,500 by the end of Q1 and 5,000 by the end of Q2.”

For perspective, Tesla delivered 1,542 Model 3 cars during the quarter.

It all sounds compelling enough. Trouble is, investors have heard this bullish chatter too many times in the past to trust in the present.

Heard it All Before

To be crystal clear, most CEOs put on a bullish game face, spreading optimism appropriately. Optimism isn’t the issue with Musk.

The issue with Musk is a long history of overpromising and under-delivering, so much so that the market now assumes there’s little to no truth in his most recent round of expectations.

There are certainly good reasons for current and would-be owners of Tesla stock to entertain those doubts:

In early 2016, Musk predicted non-GAAP profitability for the year, GAAP profitability for the fourth quarter of the year, and positive cash flow for the full year. It didn’t happen.

In July of last year Musk suggested to Tesla stock owners that the company would be able to crank out 20,000 Model 3 vehicles per week by the end of the year. The company shipped only 1,542 for the whole quarter.

In October of 2016, Musk said he didn’t foresee Tesla or SolarCity needing to raise more cash, either through the sale of shares or the issuance of debt. It was a true statement, but only for a short while. In August of last year, the company issued $1.8 billion in new debt.

https://investorplace.com/2018/02/tesla-stock-broken-promises/#.Wn-p5NY1PA1

This guy is just hype. His only contribution is some seed funding and his dream. The rest is using wallstreet casino funding.

Well I guess since the Chang’e 3 mission to the moon was a failure we can call not orbiting a car around Mars (lol at the seriousness of this...as if they were really waiting for some proper Mars alignment or something) a failure.
This guy is such an obvious Indiot...American just don't give a damn about Chang'e. Been there and done that. :rofl:
 
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Telsa is a zombie. As soon as competitors starts coming in, the bubble will pop. Being first does not guarantee a win.
 
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China is now the largest consumer market in the world.

One of the reasons the iPhone X had to cut their production was because there was low demand for it in China.

These products will never beat domestic alternatives in China. Though I wonder why we didn't straight up ban Apple from China after they blocked Huawei in the US.

Yes, the US startups can only thrive under protective domestic laws and extreme media hype, utilizing the US MSMs global outreach (+English).

Once they face competition from equal or better peers (in China pr in Europe), they tend to suffer market share because publicity built on snake oil salesman style marketing does not work in the long run, especially when the competition offers better products.

I think China will keep its cards hidden and hit back the US when it is the most vulnerable, now, with the US government protection of Apple or not, they are losing market share and Huawei is on a growing streak.

The issue with Musk is a long history of overpromising and under-delivering, so much so that the market now assumes there’s little to no truth in his most recent round of expectations.

That's a market profiteer on fake propaganda and media hype. In the long run, that's unsustainable, especially when there are lots of realistic and better alternatives.
 
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