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Second disaster for Elon Musk, Tesla announces worst ever quarterly losses

Why the hate against Elon Musk? Sure he could've had some other alternative to the car being sent to space but for the most part he has done a lot of good with his money and fame.

Its bcuz of him that electric vehicles became widely popular. He invested almost everything he had into Tesla which was sinking at the time. He cares for issues like global warming and that's why he also ventured into making solar panels(solar roof tiles), Tesla batteries etc.

...and as for sending the car into space...even that could be due to a lot of reasons. It could be that bcuz it was the very first time Falcon Heavy was being launched and they didn't wanna trust an expensive satellite, probe or whatever other actually useful thing to an experimental rocket. Secondly it could be that launching a car(Elon Musk's car at that) into space would generate a lot of buzz in the media making SpaceX popular, which can be good for the company.

Because he is an egomanic just like Donald Trump, see this for an example:

Business Insider - Elon Musk Sent These Angry Emails To Tesla When He Wasn't Getting Enough Press Attention

At one point, the lack of attention made him feel "incredibly insulted," as evidenced by emails he sent to Tesla employees in 2006.

Musk was so affected by the lack of recognition that he threatened to fire a senior member of the Tesla team if he didn't get him more press.


If you check the article, Tesla was getting press attention, but he was upset because he himself (Elon Musk) was not getting press attention, hence all the threats.

Plus, his name makes him sound like a male perfume.
 
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Why the hate against Elon Musk? Sure he could've had some other alternative to the car being sent to space but for the most part he has done a lot of good with his money and fame.

Its bcuz of him that electric vehicles became widely popular. He invested almost everything he had into Tesla which was sinking at the time. He cares for issues like global warming and that's why he also ventured into making solar panels(solar roof tiles), Tesla batteries etc.

...and as for sending the car into space...even that could be due to a lot of reasons. It could be that bcuz it was the very first time Falcon Heavy was being launched and they didn't wanna trust an expensive satellite, probe or whatever other actually useful thing to an experimental rocket. Secondly it could be that launching a car(Elon Musk's car at that) into space would generate a lot of buzz in the media making SpaceX popular, which can be good for the company.
Why the hate? I'll keep it simple. It's called jealousy.
 
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Because he is an egomanic just like Donald Trump, see this for an example:

Business Insider - Elon Musk Sent These Angry Emails To Tesla When He Wasn't Getting Enough Press Attention

At one point, the lack of attention made him feel "incredibly insulted," as evidenced by emails he sent to Tesla employees in 2006.

Musk was so affected by the lack of recognition that he threatened to fire a senior member of the Tesla team if he didn't get him more press.


If you check the article, Tesla was getting press attention, but he was upset because he himself (Elon Musk) was not getting press attention, hence all the threats.

Plus, his name makes him sound like a male perfume.
So what if his name sounds like a male perfume(it doesn't to me...but I see u r going off his last name)? He didn't get to pick his own name. It was his parents.

As for his emails...even if we assume it to be true that he has a big ego and wants fame...so what? Everyone has their quirks. That's not what defines him...that's not his legacy. If he was like Kim Kardashian, only hungry for fame and had no productive contribution to society then...sure I'll agree with u.

...but unlike Kim Kardashian and others like her, he has made a worldwide positive impact. As soon as Tesla came on the scene, all the major car companies starting rolling out their EVs...and he played a major part in that when he saved Tesla from the verge of bankruptcy by investing his money he got by selling off PayPal. This would have a measurable positive impact on the whole world at a relatively large scale as more and more ppl start buying EVs. Not to mention the positive impact his other ventures have had like the Tesla battery and solar cells. Most of us just recycle or try to conserve water and have some tiny impact at a personal level...he is using his money and fame to drive this positive change at a global level. In my book that's a lot better than those Arab princes buying jets and boats for themselves.
 
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So after Elon Musk sent that Tesla car into space, and after it missed both the Mars orbit and the asteroid belt, another blow:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/07/tesla-quarterly-loss-elon-musk-spacex

Loss of $675.4m announced day after Musk’s car sent into space in test of SpaceX rocket

The tech billionaire Elon Musk sent one of his Tesla electric cars into space yesterday, a day before the company that built it announced its biggest ever quarterly loss.

Musk’s Tesla electric car and energy storage company lost $675.4m in the three months ending 31 December, the company announced on Thursday, compared with a loss of $121m for the same period last year.

The company has been spending heavily as it rolls out the next generation of electric cars, the Model 3 sedan, a semi truck and other products.

The company has struggled to keep up with is production targets for the Model 3 but said it would probably build about 2,500 Model 3s per week by the end of the first quarter and that it plans to reach its goal of 5,000 vehicles per week by the end of the second quarter.
It was a good show by Elon. He did that the day before announcing quarterly results hoping people will remember his sideshow instead of the stock.stock down 8.63%
 
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As for his emails...even if we assume it to be true that he has a big ego and wants fame...so what? Everyone has their quirks. That's not what defines him...that's not his legacy. If he was like Kim Kardashian, only hungry for fame and had no productive contribution to society then...sure I'll agree with u.

The fact that we are even mentioning Elon Musk and Kim Kardashian in the same sentence is pretty damning.

According to Wikipedia, Elon Musk is the 53rd richest person on the planet. Yet his ego seems to be bigger than the rest combined.

And the people who are driving the technological and ecological change are the employees who are working for him, the same ones he threatens to fire because of his egomaniac obsession with how much press attention he is personally getting.

And by the way, I'm not happy that Tesla is reaching record losses or that his rocket missed both Mars and the asteroid belt. After all it will be his employees who suffer, not him.
 
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The fact that we are even mentioning Elon Musk and Kim Kardashian in the same sentence is pretty damning.

According to Wikipedia, Elon Musk is the 53rd richest person on the planet. Yet his ego seems to be bigger than the rest combined.

And the people who are driving the technological and ecological change are the employees who are working for him, the same ones he threatens to fire because of his egomaniac obsession with how much press attention he is personally getting.

And by the way, I'm not happy that Tesla is reaching record losses or that his rocket missed both Mars and the asteroid belt. After all it will be his employees who suffer, not him.
All I'm saying is that everyone has a few bad things about them...nobody is an angel here. What my point is that among the many rich ppl, he is one of the few that's making a positive impact. There's other rich idiots who don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves...like take Martin Shkreli for example. He bought the rights to a life saving drug that treats life threatening condition called toxoplasmosis and raised its price by 5000%, putting it well out of reach of an average person.

...as for how he spends his money...he bought a record released by Wu Tang Clan...of which they only released one. They will never release these songs ever so whoever buys that record will have the exclusive songs all to themselves that no one has ever heard of. Now that's a pretty stupid thing to do anyways to buy something like that for a million dollars. What's even more stupid is that reportedly he just had it framed or something and never listened to it himself.

So basically the point is there's plenty of rich ppl who are in a position to make a positive impact but they don't give a crap. Still it's their money and they can do whatever they please with it...but I would at least give credit where it's due when someone makes better choices with their money or power.
 
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If you check the article, Tesla was getting press attention, but he was upset because he himself (Elon Musk) was not getting press attention, hence all the threats.

I guess no other company received more better coverage than Tesla even before the launch. So, I do not think the launch made the automaker any more public than it was before. But still, it will remain a money-losing business at the cost of investors.

The fact it the entire US media has been for long in cohort to promote the automaker. For years and it does not seem to be working.
 
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The only real difference between Elon Musk and Donald Trump when it comes to ego, is at least Donald Trump doesn't sound like some weird kind of male perfume.

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Back to Earth: Tesla's losses grow on Model 3 delays

Updated: 2018-02-09
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Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla Inc. [Photo/VCG]

The day after Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk blasted his Tesla Roadster into space, his electric car company's mounting losses brought him back to Earth again.

Tesla Inc posted a record quarterly net loss of $675 million in the fourth quarter, up from a net loss of $121 million in the same period a year ago. The Palo Alto, California-based automaker is struggling to meet production targets for its first mass-market car, the Model 3 sedan. It's also spending heavily on future vehicles, including a semi that's supposed to go into production next year.

Tesla lost $1.96 billion for the full year, a record for the company and nearly three times its loss of $675 million in 2016. Tesla has never made a full-year profit since it went public in 2010.

Tesla's adjusted fourth-quarter loss of $3.04 per share was ahead of Wall Street's estimated loss of $3.15 per share, according to analysts polled by FactSet. The adjusted loss eliminates onetime expenses, including stock-based compensation. Revenue for the quarter was $3.3 billion, which was in line with analysts' forecasts.

Tesla's total revenue for 2017 was $11.8 billion, which was also in line with analysts' forecasts.

Musk is a masterful marketer, and the red ink may not stem investors' excitement. The company's shares jumped 3 percent to close at $345 on Wednesday after SpaceX successfully launched its Falcon Heavy rocket with Musk's cherry red Roadster as its cargo. The convertible, with a dummy in a space suit at its wheel, is now heading toward an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

While Tesla's true believers love these stunts, some analysts are questioning whether Musk should be spending more time fixing Tesla's woes. Clement Thibault, a senior analyst with the website Investing.com, grumbled about Musk's recent fundraising efforts for The Boring Co, his new tunnel-drilling company.

"He appears to be more eager to sell hats and flamethrowers rather than meeting previously stated production targets for Tesla vehicles," Thibault wrote in a note to investors.

Musk said Tesla has learned some valuable lessons about production and is steadily resolving problems with the Model 3. For example, he said, the company has nearly completed an automated battery module assembly line which will speed production at its Nevada battery factory.

"If we can send a Roadster to the asteroid belt, we can probably solve Model 3 production. It's just a matter of time," Musk said on a conference call with analysts.

Here are some issues Tesla is facing:

Shifting targets: Tesla delivered 103,181 vehicles last year, up 35 percent over 2016 and ahead of its targets. But it fell woefully short on the Model 3, which went into production in July. Tesla made just 2,425 Model 3s in the fourth quarter and has pushed back production targets multiple times. On Wednesday, Musk reiterated Tesla's most recent guidance, saying Tesla plans to be making 10,000 Model 3s per month by the end of the first quarter and 20,000 per month by the end of the second quarter.

CEO pay: This will be Musk's first earnings call since last month's announcement of a proposed all-or-nothing pay package for him. The package requires Tesla, which is worth a little less than $60 billion now, to grow in $50 billion leaps to a staggering $650 billion market capitalization over the next decade. If Tesla doesn't meet those goals, Musk won't get paid. If it does, the package could vault him into the ranks of the world's richest people.

Cash burn: Tesla has lofty targets, including building a plant in China and launching a small SUV in 2020. It's also on the hook to build charging stations for its network of semi trucks. All that costs money, which Tesla is burning through at a fast clip. Tesla ended the fourth quarter with $3.4 billion in cash; its capital expenditures were $3.4 billion in 2017 and it said they will likely grow slightly this year as the company adds more stores, service centers and fast-charging Supercharger stations.

China has been one of the fastest-growing markets for Tesla. According to statistics from the China Passenger Car Association, the company delivered 13,500 cars to China in the first three quarters of 2017, more than double from a year earlier.

Analysts say its sales in the world's largest car market would grow even further if it can improve the production of the cheaper Model 3 sedan.

Tesla unveiled plans to produce the Model 3 sedan and the upcoming Model Y crossover in China in about three years. It confirmed to China Daily late last year that it was in talks with the Shanghai municipal government to build a plant in the region.

Cui Dongshu, secretary-general of CPCA, said Tesla's decision to make cars in China would be a win-win move as it will not only boost its sales, but also set a good example in quality for new energy carmakers in the country.

AP - China Daily
 
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Considering China has yet to build a rocket that has actually reached Mars it seems rather hilarious to call the Falcon Heavy test launch a failure because a car (LOL!!) is going to overshoot a Mars orbit. I can’t believe he is serious!

Must be because their space program is on hold when this happened to their “monster” rocket:

http://spacenews.com/long-march-5-failure-to-postpone-chinas-lunar-exploration-program/

Guess what, China only spend very little money comparing to the US in their space mission, because today's space mission is economically meaningless and pointless, only for bragging rights, most have little feasible usage, like shoot a car to Mars and missed lol.

Just stay tunned about the real deal in space mission when China develop now: electronic-magnetic launcher that can not only launch satellites to orbit, but rockets and parts of space station as well, such things are real deal that could make space travel/space city/space ship become economically feasible.

Thats the real deal in man's space mission and a real breakingthrough, unlike the hype that you are getting an orgasm from now.

Belong is the first Chinese rocket builit solely for electronic-magnetic launcher, which gives you an idea how far behind you guys are lol:
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http://mil.sohu.com/20170109/n478192358.shtml?t=1483955919785
 
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Guess what, China only spend very little money comparing to the US in their space mission, because today's space mission is economically meaningless and pointless, only for bragging rights, most have little feasible usage, like shoot a car to Mars and missed lol.

Just stay tunned about the real deal in space mission when China develop now: electronic-magnetic launcher that can not only launch satellites to orbit, but rockets and parts of space station as well, such things are real deal that could make space travel/space city/space ship become economically feasible.

Thats the real deal in man's space mission and a real breakingthrough, unlike the hype that you are getting an orgasm from now.

Belong is the first Chinese rocket builit solely for electronic-magnetic launcher, which gives you an idea how far behind you guys are lol:
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http://mil.sohu.com/20170109/n478192358.shtml?t=1483955919785

Maybe you should simply dump funding of your Long March rockets and concentrate on your electromagnetic one's instead of complaining about your small budget.

SpaceX: Falcon Heavy
Payload to LEO 63,800 kg (140,700 lb)
Payload to GTO 26,700 kg (58,900 lb)

China: Long March 5 (cz5)
Payload to LEO 23,000 kg (51,000 lb)
Payload to GTO 13,000 kg (29,000 lb)

Gotta love all the sudden burn the Chinese members here are feeling by posting anti Elon Musk threads!!
 
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I'm buying more Tesla stocks while they are cheap. Tesla, Oracle, Nvidia, AMD are in my portfolio. Will sell some Ether and will buy some Broadcom/Intel next month.
 
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Maybe Tesla should rename their Chinese Model S cars the “Falcon Heavy” and the 3 the “cz5”
See, he burns cash for years and nothing happens. Wallstreet, the US gov willjust print money and subsidize this genius, while private Chinese companies like Linkspace with AI vertical landing technology has got to use mediocre funding to do their research. :enjoy:. Only an indiot can think he is a genius...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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