SC: It's' Bangladeshi nationalism:Fifth Amendment Ruling

[bd_4_ever]

dude i have nothing against bd but burmese land forces are way more capable than BD and they are experienced in fighting guerrillas. if the fight goes on burmese soil than there is no chance for BD. because burmese mastered jungle warfare.

Well, though i will not go into an argument about this....as this is not the right thread....but just would like to point out that BD never had or never will attack any nation....i am sure people are well aware about this fact....

However, apart from experience....the insurgents burmese fight is their own people, who just picked guns to protect their survival....ones who were farmers or workers before....burmese had never fought a professional army and nor did we....and basing upon known facts and history, i gave my conclusion....

I used to hear this new saying...."Perfect practice makes a man perfect"....i guess that implies here and that makes sense....

but here are some people those think that bd is more powerful than even USA both economically and militarily.

Well, most of the people i know live in reality....so we or you know whom to ignore and whom not....isnt it??

Anyways, back to topic....


Cheers!!!

 

[M_Saint]

yeah, I can understand that.... war criminal trial of the jamaati rajakars just started. BTW awami is not our brother but our stooge, and those people run BD. lol we are Indians, that ghulam azam rajkar just run away from BD watching Indians coming during 1971. lol

There wasn't a single Jamaati in the original war criminal list. And the RAZAKAARS were mostly the-then union, Thana etc chairmen's recruits(???????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???? ???? ????? ???????????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? || The Daily), where not even one Jamaati's name appeared either. You claimed to know more about BD than Idune, so you probably knew more Bangla than him too. Awamy-malaun-rapists took JI's help in 60's to throw Ayub out then it formed GOVT in 96 with JI's help again. It even offered partnership in coalition ship too(Mukti juddah industry[/B] too,

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and the relevant article,
[url=http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2005/06/09/death-lies-and-videotape/]Death, Lies, and Videotape by Nebojsa Malic -- Antiwar.com),

had nothing to do by fascist Rawamy malauns except hiding their failures to run the country and distracting people's attention in selling it to IND(?????? ???? ?????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? -????? || The Daily Sangram).
History proves that whenever those fascists schemed into power by wearing democratic mask, country went downward spiral.

And if your lying-mouth frothed again to blame Golam Azam running away Pakistan then remember Hasina bibi became 'JI Ameeri' by going to his house and asking prayers from him.
For the sane readers, please note that Prof. Azam got stucked in W PAK during war like many others and he made more efforts than even Ershad to come back, for example he came back by taking risk in the last days of war but his flight couldn't land due to heavy fighting. So, stop spreading absolute BS to make us "In lies we believe" member(In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood and Bioterrorism - Official Release) as you didn't know anything more than Indian produce shyte included 'Stop genocide'(::Welcome to Daily Naya Diganta::)

 

[Al-zakir]

Bengali and Bangladeshi are the synonyms of two. ]

No it is not. late president Zia-ur-Rehman incorporated Islamic identity, culture and faith with Bangladeshi nationalism whereas Bengali stand for Hindu-Muslim as same element. We are the torchbearer of Bangladeshi nationalism so do not tell us Bangladeshi and Bengali is a same thing. We reject your dhoti imposed Bengaliyat. I literally punched a guy for calling me Bengali with derogatory tone.

We are proud Muslim Bangladeshi while you can stay Bengali and be happy with your dhoti culture.

 

[Al-zakir]

)) i think two days back when i commented that Bangladeshis preferred to be identified as Bangladeshis instead of Indian version of "Bengali", then a BD member apparently pro-India commented that pre 47 tactics/politics wont work.


I am glad that BD constitution has cleared the air

Right! As skies pointed out on his post that Most Muslims take pride on Bangladeshi nationalism although we do have some dhoti lovers. Their Hindu gene is too strong thus consider them wasted property.

 

[scrumpy]

Awamy-malaun-rapists
fascist Rawamy malauns
dhoti culture
Hindu gene
Bharati dalals

Some of the wierd and wonderful terms seen regularly on Bangladeshi threads. These were collected from the last few comments. To be frank, many of them I don't even understand. But considering the context they are used in, it is apparent that they are meant to insult with racist or even casteist undertones. Given the fact that these are repeatedly used in these threads without attracting any censure, I am assuming that the use of such remarks on these threads are condoned.

This is all right with me. But for the contributors to these threads, please keep in mind that these labels you use just make it so damn hard to understand what you are going on about.

 

[Sliver]

Awamy-malaun-rapists
fascist Rawamy malauns
dhoti culture
Hindu gene
Bharati dalals

Some of the wierd and wonderful terms seen regularly on Bangladeshi threads. These were collected from the last few comments. To be frank, many of them I don't even understand. But considering the context they are used in, it is apparent that they are meant to insult with racist or even casteist undertones. Given the fact that these are repeatedly used in these threads without attracting any censure, I am assuming that the use of such remarks on these threads are condoned.

This is all right with me. But for the contributors to these threads, please keep in mind that these labels you use just make it so damn hard to understand what you are going on about.

try using any islamic related or pakistani related "undertone" influenced remarks... this is a "Pakistan Defence Forum" what do you expect?

I second the above post. Mods, why are these "racist" remarks tolerated. Dhoti clad Hindu influenced Bengali - what is wrong with Dhoti or even Hindus?

if there is something wrong with the word Bengali - is it because it is "derogotary - Dhoti?"

Why not concentrate the courts time on some useful matters? Does your identity or your way of practicing your religion change if you are called a Bengali or a Bangladeshi?? Maybe, but still, "Bharti Dalal", "Dhoti Clad Hindu".. was not in a good taste.

Just my opinion. This is still your forum and will abide by your rules as long as I stay here.

 

[Skies]

No it is not. late president Zia-ur-Rehman incorporated Islamic identity, culture and faith with Bangladeshi nationalism whereas Bengali stand for Hindu-Muslim as same element. We are the torchbearer of Bangladeshi nationalism so do not tell us Bangladeshi and Bengali is a same thing. We reject your dhoti imposed Bengaliyat. I literally punched a guy for calling me Bengali with derogatory tone.

We are proud Muslim Bangladeshi while you can stay Bengali and be happy with your dhoti culture.

I like crazy people.

BTW, I do not know where idj bro got this bs. He still could not answer that if Bangladeshi and Banglali have the same meanings then why its a conflicted issue, why Fifth Amendment to the constitution has commented that the nationalism will be 'Bangladeshi' instead of 'Bengali'. Instead of telling how these are same words, he is telling who feel offend to what!

 

[Al-zakir]

I like crazy people.

BTW, I do not know where idj bro got this bs. He still could not answer that if Bangladeshi and Banglali have the same meanings then why its a conflicted issue, why Fifth Amendment to the constitution has commented that the nationalism will be 'Bangladeshi' instead of 'Bengali'. Instead of telling how these are same words, he is telling who feel offend to what!

Iajdani thinking most likely align with Hindus and that is because he think that he is more Hindu then Muslim. I for one would not call him bro because he will cut your throat while ain't looking so be careful form people like him.

Awami will most likely reestablish hinduani secular constitution very soon so this would first to step to Hinduanize Bangladesh.

Some Bangladeshi accused me of unfair the way I treat Awami league. But I for one can not believe that any Muslim would delete this important inclusion from our constitution. If Awami do not trust the almighty Allah then they do not have any right to rule over Muslims. Bangladeshi Muslims must declare them Malaun and over throw them out of office.

"Pledging that the high ideals of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah

Supreme Court scraps 5th amendment of constitution with modification

The verdict paves the way for restoration of preamble and articles 8, 9, 10, 12, 25, 38 and 142 of ‘72 constitution

Thursday July 29 2010 01:27:24 AM BDT

The Appellate Division of the Supreme Court Tuesday upheld the High Court verdict that scrapped the 5th Amendment of the Constitution, with certain modifications recognizing citizens of Bangladesh as Bangladeshis.(UNB)

The modified judgment of the six-member Appellate Division paved the way for restoration of the Preamble and Articles 8, 9, 10, 12, 25, 38 and 142 of the 1972 Constitution.

On August 29 in 2005, the High Court in a historic verdict declared illegal the 5th amendment to the constitution, meaning that the rules of Khandker Mushtaque Ahmed, Abu Sadaat Mohammad Sayem, and Maj General Ziaur Rahman from August 15, 1975 to April 9, 1979 were unlawful.

In the first paragraph of the Preamble, it will now be read as "a historic struggle for national liberation" instead of "a historic war for national independence."

The verdict also restored in the 2nd paragraph of the Preamble of the original Constitution the words "Pledging that the high ideals of nationalism, socialism, democracy and secularism" which inspired our heroic people to dedicate themselves to, and our brave martyrs to sacrifice their lives in, the national liberation struggle, shall be the fundamental principles of the Constitution.

It replaces the words "Pledging that the high ideals of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah, nationalism, democracy and socialism meaning economic and social justice, which inspired our heroic people to dedicate themselves to, and our brave martyrs to sacrifice their lives in, the war of national independence, shall be the fundamental principles of the Constitution.

The Article 8 (1) of the 1972 Constitution will revive the words "The principles of nationalism, socialism, democracy and secularism, together with the principles derived from them as set out in this Part, shall constitute the fundamental principles of state policy."

It replaces the words inserted through the 5th amendment by the words "The principles of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah, nationalism, democracy and socialism meaning economic and social justice," together with the principles derived as set out in this Part, shall constitute the fundamental principles of state policy."

The Appellate Division verdict deleted the Clause (1A) of Article 8 saying that absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah shall be the basis of all actions".

The verdict paves the way for restoration of Article 12 of the original Constitution that says: The principle of secularism shall be realized by the elimination of - (a) communalism in all its forms.

Following the verdict, Article 38 with proviso will be restored. Article 38 says "Every citizen shall have the right to form associations or unions, subject to any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interests of morality or public order:

"Provided that no persons shall have the right to form, or be a member or otherwise take part in the activities of, any communal or other association or union which in the name or on the basis of any religion has or its object, or pursues, a political purpose."

In their observations the Appellate Division judges put on record their total disapproval of Martial Law and suspension of the Constitution or any part thereof in any form.

"The perpetrators of such illegalities should also be suitably punished and condemned so that in future no adventurist, no usurper, would dare to defy the people, their Constitution, their Government, established by them with their consent," the verdict said.

The Appellate Division, however, said: It is the Parliament which can make law in this regard. Let us bid farewell to all kinds of extra constitutional adventure for ever.

It said: "We are of the view that in the spirit of the Preamble and also Article 7 of the Constitution the Military Rule, direct or indirect, is to be shunned once for all."

"Let it be made clear that Military Rule was wrongly justified in the past and it ought not to be justified in future on any ground, principle, doctrine or theory whatsoever as the same is against the dignity, honour and glory of the nation that it achieved after great sacrifice; it is against the dignity and honour of the people of Bangladesh who are committed to uphold the sovereignty and integrity of the nation by all means."

 

[EjazR]

Al-zakir, what you are indulging in is takfir and is a serious sin. I would suggest you edit your post on accusing iajdani.

And what the SC decision is mainly about is that the military rule usurped the state and broke their promise and trust under the constitution. Amanat(trust) is an integral part of Islam and the military rule at that period had broken away with that. Hence any amendments done afterward were illegal.

Now the democratically elected govt. can restore or keep the amendment which were "good" and get rid of those which are unnecessary. But the fact that the amendment itself was illegal--there is no doubt about it as the SC judgment has ruled .

It is high time that Muslims come out of this defeatist mentality of using Islam for political purposes whenever they get the chance. Turkey is a secular country and probably has much more backbone than many of the so called "Islamic" states. This shows in a way that the use of Islam politically is only to cover the failings of the rulers in the socio-economic fields and divert the gullible masses attention from their own wrongdoings.

 

[TopCat]

I like crazy people.

BTW, I do not know where idj bro got this bs. He still could not answer that if Bangladeshi and Banglali have the same meanings then why its a conflicted issue, why Fifth Amendment to the constitution has commented that the nationalism will be 'Bangladeshi' instead of 'Bengali'. Instead of telling how these are same words, he is telling who feel offend to what!

Where in constitution ever introduced Bengali nationalism? But it was left to the parliament to decide in the original 1972 constitution. in 5th ammendment this clause was replaced by Bangladeshi nationalism. AL or any other party never opposed. Bengali nationalism was never been in original Constitution.
You people were brainwashed with unnecessary debate for political mileage.

 

[humanfirst]

@alzakir
your abuse of hindus,dhoti culture in etc is simply disgusting.You can moan all those bs if you find awami bringing even a speck of hinduism(shirk or induction of hindu religious texts to education or anything like that)to bangladesh.If awami league want to bring secularism how the fcuk is hinduism or dothi culture related to it?If enough people supports you,you can make even suicide bombing and getting 72 virgins your national sport,we dont care a rats a$$.Just stop keep abusing hindus or india for whatever your elected leaders do.

 

[idune]

It is high time that Muslims come out of this defeatist mentality of using Islam for political purposes whenever they get the chance. Turkey is a secular country and probably has much more backbone than many of the so called "Islamic" states. This shows in a way that the use of Islam politically is only to cover the failings of the rulers in the socio-economic fields and divert the gullible masses attention from their own wrongdoings.

First,you have no clue about world of geo politics so dont shame yourself with stupid statement like that.

Second, indians are so desperate to defend Awami "secular" project is evidence enough indians instigation hindu dominance agenda.

 

[scrumpy]

First,you have no clue about world of geo politics so dont shame yourself with stupid statement like that.

Don't know about Ejaz's grasp on geo politics but he does seem to have a lot more grace then you have.

Second, indians are so desperate to defend Awami "secular" project is evidence enough indians instigation hindu dominance agenda.

Another what was that moment.

 

[EjazR]

@idune

I will not comment on YOUR understanding of geo-politics as it is self evident.

But what I was highlighting is the UnISlamic actions of a number of posters who are using insults and derogatory references in the name of Islam.

Quran 6:108
And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did.

If you and other posters want to follow the Quran, pay heed to this verse. That is why I said it is more important to be muslims than to keep shouting "Islam in danger" and abusing other religions every chance people can get as it shows that they are nothing but hypocrites / munafiqs.

First become followers of Islam by bringing the moral values in your personal lives which includes tolerance, respect and speaking the truth and not breaking the trust.

 

[idune]

@idune

I will not comment on YOUR understanding of geo-politics as it is self evident.

But what I was highlighting is the UnISlamic actions of a number of posters who are using insults and derogatory references in the name of Islam.

If you and other posters want to follow the Quran, pay heed to this verse. That is why I said it is more important to be muslims than to keep shouting "Islam in danger" and abusing other religions every chance people can get as it shows that they are nothing but hypocrites / munafiqs.

First become followers of Islam by bringing the moral values in your personal lives which includes tolerance, respect and speaking the truth and not breaking the trust.

Using out of context verse from the Quran to hide indian deception is nothing new but an evident decption ploy.

But even with your deception, indians are oximoronic to the core. You try to take shelter in the Quran to hide your deception yet oppose Muslim and Islamic identity of Bangladesh (or elsewhere).

Another word indians are nothing but opportunist deceiver will bite the same hand that protects them. Perhaps, this should be lesson for people who has not realized the fact.