Saudi source: Turkish bases cannot be allowed in the kingdom

[The Accountant]

Really?

Combat radius of F-15 series aircraft = 1200 miles
Combat radius of F-16 series aircraft = 340 miles

F-15 series aircraft are designed to achieve 'air superiority' in combat operations; they are equipped with vastly superior sensors and their engagement profile is much greater than that of any MMRCA in existence. They will get a lock on F-16 series aircraft earlier and that would be the end of it.

Make no mistake about it! F-15SA in Saudi inventory are equipped with all that. US is also committed to upgrade the older F-15C in Saudi inventory to F-15SA standards.

References:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294
http://www.deagel.com/Combat-Aircraft/F-15SA_a000535009.aspx

And Saudi Royal Air Force also operates a fleet of AWACS - fully upgraded recently: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-05-23-Boeing-Completes-Radar-Upgrade-for-Saudi-Arabias-AWACS-Fleet


F-15 easily.

Well bro you are talking about war is just about more powerful machine ... i think we all here no professional readiness of KSA armed forces ...

 

[Avicenna]

I cited that example just to illustrate the point of extremes of equipment and an unanticipated outcome.

In reality Turkish pilots are probably better trained and more capable than Saudi pilots. Other factors would come into play as well in terms of support for the actual combatants in terms of radar coverage, communications and networking. My money would be on the Turks.

 

[Hindustani78]

Turkish forces are going to be deployed in Qatar. Seems Turkish forces will be along with American forces as the Iranians, Chinese are holding naval exercises .

 

[LeGenD]

So much more into the equation than the info you posted. Case in point 1970's NVAF Mig-17s shooting down USAF and USN F-4s and the like.

F-4 was not an 'air superiority' combat aircraft, my friend. F-14 and F-15 were the outcome of American shortcomings in Aerial combat in Vietnam: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/vietnam2-air-dog-fight.htm

More here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-15-history.htm

Well bro you are talking about war is just about more powerful machine ... i think we all here no professional readiness of KSA armed forces ...

I understand that brother but KSA armed forces have their fair share of experiences and continue to learn. It would be foolish to underestimate them.

A pilot has to be really incompetent if he is not able to bring numerous advantages of F-15 to bear in combat operations. That machine literally helps you.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Turkey relaised their depency to USA will never end to secure their regimes. I said their regimes ,not their country because noone in Ummah can imagine a war against a state that has Macca and Medine.Turkey wants to end KSA's and Others depency to USA on defence.
Why we need their independence on their policies? because their politics objectives are to protect their regimes and that became dangerous for other countries. They became partners of USA to re-design middle east.USA uses them also gets their money.
For example supporting of coup or kurdish terrorist never gains anything to UAE and to KSA for the future.Turkey has changed its mentality and declared that he will fight against terrorism on their sources and MIT got permission to operations on abroad.
Most of terrorism activities related with outside and its not only for Turkey for most of other countries also.I dont want KSA became a direct target of Turkey but not the same for UAE. If they have really supported coup they must take what they deserve.

Turkey wants to end KSA and Gulf countries dependence in U.S/West in defence?
Where do you think Turkey itself most of its weapons and military tech from?
Do you know that Turkey has been a part of NATO(which has served them well) for over half a century now?
So what's all this talk of making others muslim countries to stop havibg military ties and buying weapons from the West when almost every single muslim country has been doing that for as long as we can remember?
As I said before all this trivial talk is just trivial talk to be honest. Qatar knows that only the U.S/West have the military might and even interests/stakes to protect them if push comes to shove and bring the Saudis on the negotiation table to solve this issue, given the leverage/ties they have over other Arab countries. Unfortunately Turkey doesn't have much leverage over Arab/gulf states and is not seen as a neutral stakeholder anyway.

However, having said that I still think KSA ,Egypt and other Arab/Gulf states have to ease their views and sanctions over Qatar. I believe they can take other measures to show their unhappiness towards Qatar's ruler actions or foreign policy of supporting groups they don't like. The draconian measures they have used so far is not good for both sides. Especially the people in these countries who have family/close links with Qatar.

 

[Hindustani78]

Turkey wants to end KSA and Gulf countries dependence in U.S/West in defence?
Where do you think Turkey itself most of its weapons and military tech from?
Do you know that Turkey has been a part of NATO(which has served them well) for over half a century now?
So what's all this talk of making others muslim countries to stop havibg military ties and buying weapons from the West when almost every single muslim countries do just that?

Actually all the nations in that region are having defense industries and in case of full scale war, trained soldiers are being required and Population wise , manpower is there from Turkey, Egypt, African nations to defend religious places and on that Indian Esablishment is even having friendly relations with GCC.

 

[The Accountant]

F-4 was not an 'air superiority' combat aircraft, my friend. F-14 and F-15 were the outcome of American shortcomings in Aerial combat in Vietnam: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/vietnam2-air-dog-fight.htm

More here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-15-history.htm


I understand that brother but KSA armed forces have their fair share of experiences and continue to learn. It would be foolish to underestimate them.

A pilot has to be really incompetent if he is not able to bring numerous advantages of F-15 to bear in combat operations. That machine literally helps you.

Agreed brother but Turkish F16s are also great except for range their sensors are quite at par with f15s ... So a fighter with 90% of capablity in good hands can easily get upper hand ...

Remember difference between readiness of KSA and Turkish pilots are huge ... For example Pakistan pilots with inferrior Arab fighter aircrafts overcame Isreali superior fighters whereas Israelis are also formidable pilots so Turkish standards are somewhere close to PAF but on the contrary Arab pilots are just ordinary pilots ...

 

[mike2000 is back]

Agreed brother but Turkish F16s are also great except for range their sensors are quite at par with f15s ... So a fighter with 90% of capablity in good hands can easily get upper hand ...

Remember difference between readiness of KSA and Turkish pilots are huge ... For example Pakistan pilots with inferrior Arab fighter aircrafts overcame Isreali superior fighters whereas Israelis are also formidable pilots so Turkish standards are somewhere close to PAF but on the contrary Arab pilots are just ordinary pilots ...

That's just too much assumptions. Lol

 

[HannibalBarca]

Turkey wants to end KSA and Gulf countries dependence in U.S/West in defence?
Where do you think Turkey itself most of its weapons and military tech from?
Do you know that Turkey has been a part of NATO(which has served them well) for over half a century now?
So what's all this talk of making others muslim countries to stop havibg military ties and buying weapons from the West when almost every single muslim country has been doing that for as long as we can remember?
As I said before all this trivial talk is just trivial talk to be honest. Qatar knows that only the U.S/West have the military might and even interests/stakes to protect them if push comes to shove and bring the Saudis on the negotiation table to solve this issue, given the leverage/ties they have over other Arab countries. Unfortunately Turkey doesn't have much leverage over Arab/gulf states and is not seen as a neutral stakeholder anyway.

However, having said that I still think KSA ,Egypt and other Arab/Gulf states have to ease their views and sanctions over Qatar. I believe they can take other measures to show their unhappiness towards Qatar's ruler actions or foreign policy of supporting groups they don't like. The draconian measures they have used so far is not good for both sides. Especially the people in these countries who have family/close links with Qatar.

Well the wheel is turning... few centuries back... it was the EU who were buying from the Ottoman empire...
Anyway... having leverage is mostly from those who are "really" showing their strenght/muscles... showing them without turning back and you will get a leverage power... So if Turkey want to be seen as one... they gonna flex some muscles and keep it... but it's something they can't do anymore... they are seen as weak since the RU-TR and Syrian conflict... when they accepted defeat against Putin and Assad... for their own interest ( it's not something bad, but with this move , they lost some sort of foreign power & respect...)

In the End , the Gulf crisis will end... and everyone will be back to normal OR the weak of yesterday will take his chance to be back on the "boos" trail... we will see...

As for Def Biz..; well it's another heaven in the making... meaning a race to "sell"&"make" therefore a rise in indegenious def around the block... a bad news in the long term for Western suppliers...

 

[Hindustani78]

June 15, 2017

US officials have agreed to sell a whopping $12 billion in F-15 fighter jets to Qatar, according to the Pentagon.

The deal was signed yesterday after a visit to Washington by Qatar’s Minister of State for Defense Khalid Al Attiyah.

The fighter jets will be built by Boeing and “give Qatar a state of the art capability and increase security cooperation and interoperability between the United States and Qatar,” the US Department of Defense said.

Reports that up to 36 jets have been agreed upon, Last year , there was talk of Qatar buying 72 F-15 Strike Eagle jets for $21 billion.

Qatar is home to the largest US air base in the region.

Speaking to Charlie Rose this week, former prime minister Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani said:

“I think the United States as the super power country in the world should be more thoughtful when they support measures like this. They are our ally and our friends and we expect from our friends to be fair – not to help us, but to be fair.”

But “in the end the United States will do the right thing,” he added.

 

[Baybars Han]

So the fake Khalifah wants to create a military base in Saudi Arabia while we have already sent 15-18 of our F-15 fighters to protect his skys from any foreign aggression.
This Erdo is being funny and everyday he exposes how stubid he is to the public.

hahaha. Yes they are there to protect us We urgently need the saudis for protection

 

[LeGenD]

Agreed brother but Turkish F16s are also great except for range their sensors are quite at par with f15s ... So a fighter with 90% of capablity in good hands can easily get upper hand ...

Remember difference between readiness of KSA and Turkish pilots are huge ... For example Pakistan pilots with inferrior Arab fighter aircrafts overcame Isreali superior fighters whereas Israelis are also formidable pilots so Turkish standards are somewhere close to PAF but on the contrary Arab pilots are just ordinary pilots ...

My friend,

F-16 can never be 90% of F-15 in capabilities; not even close. Technical disparity is too vast. F-16 turns into a major threat at shorter distances but objective of F-15 is to detect opponent(s) from vast distances and bring its massive firepower to bear before opponent(s) can close the gap to nullify some of its advantages.

We live in the era of 'smart machines' that can not only take a lot of workload off the pilot during combat operations but assist him in the matters of combat on top of it. The era of 'ace pilots' is coming to an end, slowly but surely.

Conversely, I fully acknowledge the importance of decent tactics. No matter what toys you have, it eventually comes down to the workforce (and management) to utilize them effectively. Saudi Royal Air Force packs lot of firepower and capability but it cannot take a quality opponent like Turkey lightly. Those fancy toys will grant Saudi tremendous situational awareness and opportunities to strike at opponents from safer distances but they need to execute their operations with good teamwork and timing in order to succeed in the end.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Pakistan is too dependent on Saudis to be neutral

sorry but you arnt pakistani so keep out.

 

[Hindustani78]

That's just too much assumptions. Lol

Qatar is getting 36 F-15 Strike Eagle and they are going to be deployed at the US base and here the Qataris citizens seems to be interested in knowing , have the pilots training already done or not ?

 

[salarsikander]

Pakistan is too dependent on Saudis to be neutral

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