Saudi-led Islamic military alliance: counterterrorism or counter Iran?

[Saif al-Arab]

dude they just Invented contracted marriage
so you can get married to nice iraqi lady for month or year hahahaha
what a clones

It's a shame that a great country like Iraq has been hijacked by those clowns. But if the majority (a large number of brainwashed Iraqi Shia Arabs) have such visions for their country, then so be it but unfortunately we can no longer trust this community due to their political views. It's a sad thing that sect separates brothers and in many cases even families (millions of us have distant relatives across the border and vice versa - probably more than any other neighboring country) but you need to draw a line in the sand at one point. MbS knows it and he won't tolerate us acting as some charity clown with nothing in return but envy, false accusations etc.

Let them continue to blame all their failures, the fact that they live in totally failed entities, on outsiders. That will surely "help" them solve those problems. Meanwhile we (KSA and GCC) are improving on all fronts and quickly and entering a very promising future.

What I am most happy about is that more and more people in KSA are becoming pragmatic like me and understanding that what we were taught as kids is mostly a mirage. We can do perfectly without such likes. No need for them at all. They need us more than vice versa.

that's quite childish of you...
Anyway...
Best regards

Speaking about AQAP, I hope that the 5000 Tunisians that have joined Daesh (most in terms of numbers and most by far compared to population size) won't cause any troubles in Tunisia if they return.

Anyway...
Best regards

 

[Max]

This we can only answer after officials tell us what is on disposal of alliance like structure, equipment, manpower etc.

What i can guess is that this alliance will be for capacity building, training and equipping soldiers, sharing experience and intel for local operations. Not expecting something like NATO.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Speaking about AQAP, I hope that the 5000 Tunisians that have joined Daesh (most in terms of numbers and most by far compared to population size) won't cause any troubles in Tunisia if they return.

Anyway...
Best regards

YOu getting even lower...
Anyway... speaking of Hadi seems critical for some...
I will not play this game of number and keep my Saoudis numbers in ISIS to myself..;since it's in no way representatif of the country neither the people... neither the first subject of this discussion about Hadi...

I hoped Arabs were better than Iranian members when it comes to that...but I'm pushed to believe otherwise..at tleast here...

Anyway
Best regards.

ps!: Don't worry about us...since only 1.5k are still alive abroad...and we know each one of them...so they gonna getpicked at the airport like the few hundreds past 3 years or get killed by passing via the Tunsiian/libyan border, like the 30 dead since last year...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

YOu getting even lower...
Anyway... speaking of Hadi seems critical for some...
I will not play this game of number and keep my Saoudis numbers in ISIS to myself..;since it's in no way representatif of the country neither the people... neither the first subject of this discussion about Hadi...

I hoped Arabs were better than Iranian members when it comes to that...but I'm pushed to believe otherwise..at tleast here...

Anyway
Best regards.

ps!: Don't worry about us...since only 1.5k are still alive abroad...and we know each one of them...so they gonna getpicked at the airport like the few hundreds past 3 years or get killed by passing via the Tunsiian/libyan border, like the 30 dead since last year...

Not any "lower" than you. You started posting the usual unfounded nonsense/propaganda against KSA. It's not the first time that I have seen this from you. This is not productive criticism from a supposed brother.

2000 Saudi Arabians have joined Daesh compared to a native population of almost 30 million. KSA is a direct neighbor of Iraq and KSA has deep family, clan and tribal ties to Iraq that only Syria comes close to. On the other hand 10 million big secular Tunisia several 1000 km away (another continent altogether even) has contributed with 5000 as per most sources.

If you used as much energy on the real enemies as you do on your own, it would be a good start but unfortunately Arabs are very good at useless "souq talk" as I call it aimed at their own.

As for worrying, trust me, KSA is the most capable country in the region along with Israel (arguably) to deal with terrorists. Our track record compared to challenges at hand speaks for itself.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Not any "lower" than you. You started posting the usual unfounded nonsense/propaganda against KSA. It's not the first time that I have seen this from you. This is not productive criticism from a supposed brother.

2000 Saudi Arabians have joined KSA compared to a native population of almost 30 million. KSA is a direct neighbor of Iraq and KSA has deep family, clan and tribal ties to Iraq that only Syria comes close to. On the other hand 10 million big secular Tunisia several 1000 km away has contributed with 5000 as per most sources.

If you used as much energy on the real enemies as you do on your own, it would be a good start but unfortunately Arabs are very good at useless "souq talk" as I call it.

As for worrying, trust me, KSA is the most capable country in the region along with Israel to deal with terrorists. Our track record speaks for itself.

Again... I never spoke about KSA supporting AQ in yemen...
And you can't even see your mistakes when it came to this discussion... by labeling me as "somthing"... Don't worry you're not alone.
Proportionality has nothing to do in "numbers"... and if you want to compare..do it at least with AQ back in the days... or you forgot where ben laden come from... See.. I can do it..; but it' snot healthy for the debate.

As for the brother thing... Iam.. but not to your gov. I will not hold my tongue for the benefit of ties... When someting is xrong or not entirely true..;you say it to your brother...only the hypocrit will keep it to himself...

If you felt offended about my comment... I can't say I care..; but I do understand. That's why I will cut it right now,

Best regards.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Again... I never spoke about KSA supporting AQ in yemen...
And you can't even see your mistakes when it came to this discussion... by labeling me as "somthing"... Don't worry you're not alone.
Proportionality has nothing to do in "numbers"... and if you want to compare..do it at least with AQ back in the days... or you forgot where ben laden come from... See.. I can do it..; but it' snot healthy for the debate.

As for the brother thing... Iam.. but not to your gov. I will not hold my tongue for the benefit of ties... When someting is xrong or not entirely true..;you say it to your brother...only the hypocrit will keep it to himself...

If you felt offended about my comment... I can't say I care..; but I do understand. That's why I will cut it right now,

Best regards.

You did by writing unfounded nonsense/propaganda of Hadi supposedly working with AQAP with the blessing of KSA while the same KSA/UAE is attacked by AQAP and fighting against them. You know the same AQAP that KSA completely rooted out 10 years ago. The same AQAP that KSA and the US are bombing with drones and fighter jets for years. Such nonsense cannot be taken seriously.

Terrorism did not emerge in KSA. Saudi Arabians did not invent it. Al-Qaeda was not founded in KSA. Saudi Arabians that were part of Al-Qaeda can be counted on 3-4 hands.

As for OBL he was half Yemeni and half Syrian. Just born in KSA. So he is not a Saudi Arabian. Not to say that he was stripped off his citizenship (which he only got due to his father's connections) in 1994. Long before any attack by Al-Qaeda. Nice try though.

Why not make this clear then? Why can't too many Arabs distinguish between government in place and people and country? You think that we will take insults against the country lightly just because you do not like the government in power? And let's be honest here, Saudi Arabia's government is in many ways much better than other Arab governments. At least the government manages to secure prosperity, stability, development and progress. Something that many Arab and Muslim nations, even resource-rich, fail tremendously at. Credit where credit is due.

Non-biased and serious criticism is more than welcome but not propaganda nonsense. Also rather than worrying about Arab regimes (I too dislike most and I could criticize your government's stance too for instance on many fronts) we should rather worry about the real enemies.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You did by writing unfounded nonsense/propaganda of Hadi supposedly working with AQAP with the blessing of KSA while the same KSA/UAE is attacked by AQAP and fighting against them. You know the same AQAP that KSA completely rooted out 10 years ago. The same AQAP that KSA and the US are bombing with drones and fighter jets for years. Such nonsense cannot be taken seriously.

Terrorism did not emerge in KSA. Saudi Arabians did not invent it. Al-Qaeda was not founded in KSA. Saudi Arabians that were part of Al-Qaeda can be counted on 3-4 hands.

As for OBL he was half Yemeni and half Syrian. Just born in KSA. So he is not a Saudi Arabian. Not to say that he was stripped off his citizenship in 1994. Long before any attack by Al-Qaeda. Nice try though.

Why not make this clear then? Why can't too many Arabs distinguish between government in place and people and country? You think that we will take insults against the country lightly just because you do not like the government in power? And let's be honest here, Saudi Arabia's government is in many ways much better than other Arab governments. At least the government manages to secure prosperity, stability and development. Something that many Arab and Muslim nations, even resource-rich, fail tremendously at. Credit where credit is due.

See again... you are wrong... I said Hadi had EX-AQ in as some of his support...

As for ben laden... he was a saudi... too... so you can argue that he was not or only half... it's your problem.
A critic or observation is not an Insult... that's what you should distinguish btw... Like the one you mentioned 5k TN in ISIS... it's the truth..;why should I be offended? if you say TN gov did nothing in such matters, if it's true, why should I take it as an insult?

An insult= f*ck you - Arabs are pigs - Arabs are rapist - Arabs f*ck goats... See that's insults...

As for KSa prosperity... she did well better than others , that's for sure ( exemple libya per exemple) BUT when you take into account other coutries with no ressources do 1000x better than KSA rich lands..; then they didn't do so well... it' s been a century that they have this richlands... and in a century... countries with nothing went to nothing to the Top place.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

See again... you are wrong... I say Hadi had EX-AQ in as some of his support...

As for ben laden... ha was saudi... too... so you can argue that he was not or only half...
A critic or observationis not an Insult... that's what you should distinguish btw... Like the one wyoumentioned 5k Tn in ISIS... it's the truth..;why should I be offended? if you say TN gov did nothing in such matters, if it's true, why should I take it as an insult?

An insult= f*ck you - Arabs are pigs - Arabs are rapist - Arabs f*ck goats... See that's insults...

As for KSa prosperity... she did well better than others , that's for sure ( exemple libya per exemple) BUT when you take into account other coutries with no ressources do 1000x better than KSA rich lands..; then they didn't do so well... it' s been a century that they have this richlands... and in a century... countries with nothingwen to to 100 to Top place.

You have failed to prove this. What support is it? Also being "ex" something is quite crucial don't you think? Did you know that one of the foremost experts on Daesh and a person that has cooperated very closely with the Iraqi intelligence services is a former Al-Qaeda in Iraq member?

He is a respected researcher as well who has appeared on state TV numerous times and private Iraqi and Arab channels.

https://twitter.com/hushamalhashimi?lang=ar

Which are those "many" others because as of today only 19 countries out of almost 200 have a bigger economy than KSA. As of today only around 20 countries or so offer better living standards to their people than the ones that Saudi Arabians enjoy.

And please for God's sake don't compare KSA or any other Middle Eastern/developing/non-European country with Western European countries or the US/Canada as it makes no sense for so many reasons.

Fact of the matter is that KSA and the GCC by large have done better than 99% of all other resource rich developing countries in the Arab/Muslim/developing world. So what I wrote is correct unless the opposite proves me and the world wrong. And by all accounts ever since MbS emerged, I don't see this trend changing but rather improving in KSA's case. Those fact is what creates an enormous butthurt among many of our so-called "brothers" out there.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Had this alliance be against Iran, Pakistan would never be the part of this alliance. I think Iran should at least trust Pakistan and join this alliance. Only by joining this, Iran can protect her interests better.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You have failed to prove this. What support is it? Also being "ex" something is quite crucial don't you think? Did you know that one of the foremost experts on Daesh and a person that has cooperated very closely with the Iraqi intelligence services is a former Al-Qaeda in Iraq member?

He is a respected researcher as well who has appeared on state TV numerous times and private Iraqi and Arab channels.

https://twitter.com/hushamalhashimi?lang=ar

Which are those "many" others because as of today only 19 countries out of almost 200 have a bigger economy than KSA. As of today only around 20 countries or so offer better living standards to their people than the ones that Saudi Arabians enjoy.

And please for God's sake don't compare KSA or any other Middle Eastern/developing/non-European country with Western European countries or the US/Canada as it makes no sense for so many reasons.

Fact of the matter is that KSA and the GCC by large have done better than 99% of all other resource rich developing countries in the Arab/Muslim/developing world. So what I wrote is correct unless the opposite proves me and the world wrong. And by all accounts ever since MbS emerged, I don't see this trend changing but rather improving in KSA's case. Those fact is what creates an enormous butthurt among many of our so-called "brothers" out there.

Well if you want exemple...or maybe it's unreceivable for you...
But after WW2 those EU countries were poorer than African ones... Maybe you don't care aboutit... but in this time KSA was alive and with his "oil"...
I see you with a spanish flag..;so I assume you know it's history... what they were back in the days... and thelist goes on... not gonna speak about Germany and his vatican gdp in the 50'...

Most of arabs don't even know what Mbs is doing... and the majority of Arabs/Muslims are only "maybe" envious of their money... not they way of life..; they had under their dictators more right and freedom than any GCC...

And since you think arabs are agaisnt Mbs.. well you are quite wrong..; or maybe that's how you see things..; But most are happy that KSA is changing and Finally use her money to build a strong country...

In the End... Whatever the result... I don't really care tbh... If it doesn't hold..then it's useless..whatever Communication is made about it. Only the result will speak of a success...

 

[HannibalBarca]

@The Eagle


Are you joking? Which EU countries were poorer than African ones after WW2? Not a single country was. Every European country in 1945 was light years ahead of all developing non-European countries. Are you for real?

BTW ever heard about the Marshall help?

Are you really going to compare that with KSA which had a population of what (2 million) 70 years ago? A newly united/founded country moreover in a region of the world (Middle East and Muslim world) that were even less advanced compared to Europe/West back then (70 years ago) than they are today. Can't believe what I am reading.

Wrong. Nobody would prefer to live in Libya under Gaddafi than your average GCC country. Also when it comes to freedoms (something that is quickly changing for the better in KSA and the wider GCC).

Correction. Arabs living in the Arab world are supportive by large. The Arab diaspora in the West on the other hand..... Well, they are by large uniformed, biased, envious and hateful, I have noticed. The likes found on Reddit etc.

So you don't care. Thanks for proving my previous points right and now the part about diaspora Arabs based in the West.

Some of EU countries like spain/portugal etc... were nothing... You can add any fact about it...but "even" a wiki page is enough for that...
As Marshall plan... GCC have all the oil of the world.. it's better than any marshall plan out there... just accept it... Those who were before you, didn't jumped on what KSA is doing today... they could have, they didn't for X reasons... but they didn't... But now with Mbs things are changing( it started a little before Mbs)

As for Gaddafi..; speak when you know it... under Gaddafi the libyan had more rights than KSA today... the problem with el Gaddafi... is his stupididty..; he gave gold to any libyans without giving them a future..; no Good schools neither Industries... but leaving under Gadaffi was not bad if you were a libyan... Libyan revo was about this lack of future... everyone had few cars/mansions/workers/ etc... but nothing to do with it...

As I said.. most of arabs don't know about KSA reforms neither about Mbs Role..; they still see it as it is before... a country who has every gold on earth and yet still far behind others in many fields... You can accpet this honest view of other arabs in the region or not..; it's your choice...

Ksa reforms is a good thing for everyone in the region, everyone...

Best regards.

ps: my last post... i willnot answer anymore on this subject, it's too much off topic already.

 

[SALMAN F]

Lol ok....

More like you Arabs are obsessed with Persians.

Arabs specially Sunnis don't know much about iran let alone obsessed with them unlike show arabs who have religious ties to iran only not even cultural ties

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Some of EU countries like spain/portugal etc... were nothing... You can add any fact about it...but "even" a wiki page is enough for that...
As Marshall plan... GCC have all the oil of the world.. it's better than any marshall plan out there... just accept it... Those who were before you, didn't jumped on what KSA is doing today... they could have, they didn't for X reasons... but they didn't... But now with Mbs things are changing( it started a little before Mbs)

As for Gaddafi..; speak when you know it... under Gaddafi the libyan had more rights than KSA today... the problem with el Gaddafi... is his stupididty..; he gave gold to any libyans without giving them a future..; no Good schools neither Industries... but leaving under Gadaffi was not bad if you were a libyan... Libyan revo was about this lack of future... everyone had few cars/mansions/workers/ etc... but nothing to do with it...

As I said.. most of arabs don't know about KSA reforms neither about Mbs Role..; they still see it as it is before... a country who has every gold on earth and yet still far behind others in many fields... You can accpet this honest view of other arabs in the region or not..; it's your choice...

Ksa reforms is a good thing for everyone in the region, everyone...

Best regards.

Bro, are you joking or out of your mind? No disrespect.

I have lived in Spain and I have relatives from/who live in Spain. To compare Spain under Franco with KSA or your average (even the best off) Muslim nation/developing non-Western nation 70 years ago (excluding Japan) makes no sense whatsoever. Spain was one of the greatest and most rich empires not long ago. Look at all the wealth found in your average Spanish city. There is a reason why only Italy has more World UNESCO Heritage Sites and China if I am not wrong. Spain is a rich country in terms of resources too.

Similar can be said about Portugal but to a smaller extend due to demography and size.

You are blabbering for the sake of it IMO.

Once again no other resource-rich country in the Arab/Muslim/developing world have done better than KSA and the GCC. Not a single one. From Venezuela to Nigeria to Central Asian states to mention a few. Or regional, similarly resource-rich, countries.

As for comparing KSA 70 years ago with Western European countries, I am not going to entertain that idea. It's just trolling in my view.

No they did not, lol. Any Libyan that voiced his displeasure tended to disappoint. Nowhere close to KSA. Libyans had a hard time to even leave the country. The right of education home and abroad, a great infrastructure, a great healthcare system are personal rights too. Ridiculous to compare IMO.

BTW Libya's population for most of the 4 DECADES that Gaddafi ruled was the size of Riyadh. Can't compare. Libya should be compared with Kuwait or UAE.

Arabs specially Sunnis don't know much about iran let alone obsessed with them unlike show arabs who have religious ties to iran only not even cultural ties

Arabs don't care about Iran indeed. It's tiny Iran that has an Arab-obsession due to events 1400 years ago not the other way around. Ties were mostly cordial between the GCC and Iraq (the only Arab regions bordering Iran or having some kind of historical ties to them) pre-1979 and millions of Arabs live in Iran and a sizable portion of people in the GCC have a small degree of ancestral ties to Iran. Funny when Arab Muslims have shaped Iran tremendously for the past 1400 years and when our Semitic ancestors basically created Iranian civilization when Iran and Iranians appeared for the first time in history some 2800-3000 years ago.

BTW the ignorance is bigger the other way around, lol. Until 100.000's if not millions of Iranians reach UAE, Iraq or KSA.

Anyway this thread is about the Islamic Military Alliance (41 nation strong and growing) that was founded and is headed by KSA. The Mullah's ruling Iran declined joining so they should create their own Islamic Military Alliance and see how many nations will join it.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Iran is far more important to Turkey

Since when has Iran ever been important to Turkey? Is this the same Iran that supports terror on the Turkic race? Iranian Supporting genocide of Turkmens of Iraq/Syria is now our friend???

I prefer the Arab world over Iran.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Islamic anti-terror coalition is not against any country, sect or religion, says commander
NOOR NUGALI | Published — Monday 27 November 2017

Saudi Lt. Gen. Abdullah Al-Saleh (right) and Gen. Raheel Sharif, the military commander of the IMCTC, attend a press conference during the first meeting of the defense ministers of the 41-member coalition in Riyadh on Sunday. (AFP)

RIYADH: Gen. Raheel Sharif, the military commander of the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition (IMCTC), said on Sunday the coalition’s sole objective is to fight against terrorism and it is not against any country, sect or religion.
At the IMCTC Ministers of Defense Council in Riyadh, Gen. Sharif said: “A number of our member countries are under tremendous pressure while fighting well established terrorist organizations due to capacity shortages of their armed forces and law enforcement agencies.”
The coalition will act as a platform to assist member countries in their counterterrorism operations through intelligence sharing and capacity building, he said.
“The vision of IMCTC is to have a collective response against terrorism capable of leading and coordinating the efforts of member countries with high efficiency and effectiveness,” said Pakistan’s former military chief.
Explaining the mechanism of the coalition, he said it is divided into four main domains.
The first domain, Gen. Sharif said, will focus on countering terrorist Ideology. “Effort will be made to preserve and promote Islam’s universal message of moderation, tolerance and compassion, by creating intellectual, psychological and social impact to counter the perverted radical views.”
He said the IMCTC will also develop, produce and publish factual media content for dialogue to correct perceptions and discredit radical and extremist narratives.
“Next is terrorist financing. IMCTC will endeavor to dry up all types of financial support to terrorist organizations,” the retired Pakistani general said.
Responding to a query by Arab News about the likelihood of the coalition brokering a deal with social media companies in order to remove terrorist and extremist content, the IMCTC military commander said: “The collaboration is currently taking place. Besides fighting ideology, and denouncing the terrorist spirit, a lot of collaborations is going on.”
The IMCTC military commander said to improve coordination, joint exercise will be conducted based on near real-time scenarios demanding quick response and promoting a sense of solidarity and shared responsibility to fight terrorism.
In addition, IMCTC will create a state-of-the-art intelligence and information-sharing platform to counter terrorist networks their facilitators, abettors, sympathizers and financiers. After correlating and incisive analysis of critical information, actionable intelligence will be put in place, he said.
Responding to a query by Arab News about the likelihood of the coalition brokering a deal with social media companies in order to remove terrorist and extremist content, the IMCTC military commander said: “The collaboration is currently taking place. Besides fighting ideology, and denouncing the terrorist spirit, a lot of collaborations is going on.”

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1199631/saudi-arabia

So much for the empty barking. If nobodies on PDF are against this Islamic Military Alliance they should 1) try to convince their own governments (good luck, lol) or 2) try to convince their own governments of creating something similar or better (good luck, lol) instead of crying on PDF.