Saudi-led Islamic military alliance: counterterrorism or counter Iran?

[veg]

Iran was invited to join, wasn't it? Why didn't it?
You should also know that Egypt and the majority of the member countries don't stand against Iran. Egypt has conflicted with Saudiya on that matter quite a bit, and that includes its stand on Syria as well.

So the idea that this entire thing is formed to counter Iran is frankly silly.

May be you are right.
But one reality is this Saudia was unable to make clear the "motives" of this army.
This allied army has not been used against ISIS.
This allied army has not been used againt al-Shabab.
This allied army has not been used against any one.

All countries asking for help only and want their own army to fight ISIS. None of them showed any wish for men of this allied army.

In the total absence of any such clarity, one doubt very much that actually Saudia wanted to create this alliance against Iran, as it is using the gulf countries alliance against Iran.

 

[veg]

Shia militias are definitely terrorists by all accounts. From Hezbollah cultists to Houthi cultists to numerous Shia militias in Iraq who are led by traitors and who have taken part in mass-murders themselves. No different to Daesh other than doing it more silently. Local reports confirm all this. I can post first-hand accounts by locals or documentaries made by serious media (local as non-local) about this.

It is insane to say that Hizbullah is ISIS.

And in Iraq, it were not the Shia Malitias who started any of the bloodshed.

Firstly it was the mighty KSA which constantly supported Saddam Hussain to kill thousands of Iraqi Shias.

Then it were again the Baathists and Iraqi Salafies who "initially" killed thousands of Shias after Saddam Hussain by labelling them to be Kafir Rafidhies and companions of US. They made suicide bombing of Shia civilians HALAL.

It was only after that the reaction came from the Shias of Iraq and they started killing them.

So, NO, Shias were never the terrorists or Takfiries.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It is insane to say that Hizbullah is ISIS.

And in Iraq, it were not the Shia Malitias who started any of the bloodshed.

Firstly it was the mighty KSA which constantly supported Saddam Hussain to kill thousands of Iraqi Shias.

Then it were again the Baathists and Iraqi Salafies who "initially" killed thousands of Shias after Saddam Hussain by labelling them to be Kafir Rafidhies and companions of US. They made suicide bombing of Shia civilians HALAL.

It was only after that the reaction came from the Shias of Iraq and they started killing them.

So, NO, Shias were never the terrorists or Takfiries.

Hezbollah, Houthis, various Shia militias, Daesh and other armed terrorist groups are guilty of suicide bombings, mass-murder, 100's of terrorist attacks, backwardness and inability to achieve anything.

Saddam Hussein was not a sectarian. He could not care less about sect. Iraqis of all ethnic and religious background where targeted if they went against him. It had nothing to do with sectarianism. The only reason why Iraqi Shia Arabs in the south were targeted was because they rebelled against his rule using violence. Some also fought against their own country on the side of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

KSA's relations with Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athis were complicated. There was no alliance. Iraq and Syria tried to spread Ba'athism to other Arab states, KSA included, and planned assassination attempts and tried to create instability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Action_Party_–_Arabian_Peninsula

It was only after the Iraq-Iran war that KSA/Arab world had nothing to do with started, that KSA (rightly so) decided to support an fellow Arab neighbor over some foreign hostile Mullah fanatics that were openly talking about expansion. However that quickly ended when Saddam Hussein turned against Kuwait and later when he fired scud missiles at KSA. From that point onwards there were no ties until Saddam Hussein was removed in 2003.

So once again you are lying but that is expected from a biased, uniformed and Arab-obsessed individual that keeps obsessing about Arab affairs.

As for suicide bombings, I don't know any Sunni Muslim cleric (or any cleric from KSA for that matter) that support it but I do know that the first time "Muslims" used suicide bombings were in the early 1980's and it was done by your beloved Hezbollah. Not only that the Iraqi Dawa Islamic Party (Shias) did suicide bombings too before almost everyone else.

It was back in December 1981.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Iraqi_embassy_bombing

Shia terrorist groups in Iraq have killed as many people as Daesh if not more since 2003. Right now they are doing it as well.

Sure, Bashar al-Assad is a Shia Alawi regime which have killed many more people than the so-called Sunni Muslim Saddam Hussein regime. So much for your nonsense.

The Iranian Mullah's did also not kill anybody when they came to power. They just randomly executed 10.000 + people within just 1 year in 1988.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners

Not talking about their persecution of non-Shias inside Iran.

You are a Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah drone that keeps interfering in internal Arab matters as a foreigner. I refuse to give you the privilege of me replying to your nonsense. It's over.

 

[raptor22]

I hope There's no need, honestly, they've been mentioned already by [USER=167867]@Saif al-Arab . If Iran thinks Saudiya is to blame for the terrorism out there, then joining the alliance would've been the best thing for it to do. Then it can call out Saudiya in front of all other 40 nations, yet it didn't. That's more damning and suspicious of Iran than anything against Saudiya to be perfectly straight with you.

I'll tell you what I think is an even more important role for both, Iran and Saudiya and that is to control the radical, freak clerics in both countries. We have the same problem in Egypt too BTW so I'm not pointing the finger out of hypocrisy, just to be clear. But separating whatever larger groups that Iran supports or that Saudiya allegedly supports, if both take a larger role in muzzling these freaks' traps and stopping them from gurgling all their twisted interpretations and promotion of hatred, that would go a long way and Saudiya has actually already started this exact thing.[/USER]

If they wanted to fight terrorism they could have started it by fighting isis in Iraq and Syria, it's been almost 2 years of creation of such an alliance the Q is what they've done? while as I said earlier they considered isis as the main terrorist group (what they claimed) which is destroying Islam face. during the same period we pushed back isis and it's about to be eradicated from Syria and Iraq. Fighting terrorism doesn't need these alliances but mostly political will.
We don't support any terrorist group. Do you know any?

 

[veg]

Hezbollah, Houthis, various Shia militias, Daesh and other armed terrorist groups are guilty of suicide bombings, mass-murder, 100's of terrorist attacks, backwardness and inability to achieve anything.

Insane.
Hizbullah never did any suicide bombing against any civilians.
This award goes only to the Saudi backed mindset where they issued the fatwas of takfeer and then killed thousands of Shia civilians in Pakistan and Iraq in the suicide bombings.

Before the emergence of Saudi thought in Pakistan, there were no suicide bombings. Actually it still never happened in Pakistan that ever any normal Sunni attacked any Shia or any Shia attacked any Sunni.

But the Saudi ideology followers in Pakistan are involved in killing of not only Shias, but also they killed thousands of Sunnies in the suicide bombings.

Saddam Hussein was not a sectarian. He could not care less about sect. Iraqis of all ethnic and religious background where targeted if they went against him. It had nothing to do with sectarianism. The only reason why Iraqi Shia Arabs in the south were targeted was because they rebelled against his rule using violence. Some also fought against their own country on the side of Iran.

Off course it became Sectarian while South was Shia and Saddam was supported mainly by the Sunnies. Therefore, even if Saddam himself little to do with the religion, but he and the group of Sunnies who was supporting him, they were deadly against the Shias and killed thousands of them.

These are only your "Double Standards" where you blame Assad for killing of Syrian Sunnies (although they are Ikhwanies), but in case of Saddam you make killing of Shias Halal for him, while Assad has the majority Sunni support against the Ikhwani and Salafi rebels.

KSA's relations with Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athis were complicated. There was no alliance. Iraq and Syria tried to spread Ba'athism to other Arab states, KSA included, and planned assassination attempts and tried to create instability.

May be, but when it came to killing the Shias of Iraq, then Saudia was always truly behind Saddam Hussain.

It was only after the Iraq-Iran war that KSA/Arab world had nothing to do with started, that KSA (rightly so) decided to support an fellow Arab neighbor over some foreign hostile Mullah fanatics that were openly talking about expansion.

Every one has the right to expand it's ideology through Tableegh. Iran did no practical harm to Saudia, but Saudia feared that revolution could come in Saudia too which could have toppled the corrupt King family from the throne.

However that quickly ended when Saddam Hussein turned against Kuwait and later when he fired scud missiles at KSA. From that point onwards there were no ties until Saddam Hussein was removed in 2003.

You claim is devoid of any logic.
It were 8 long years where Saudia supported Saddam Hussain for killing thousands of Shias and Billions of Dollars were given to Saddam by Saudia.
Yes indeed Saudia is culprit when it comes to the killing of those thousands of Shias.

As for suicide bombings, I don't know any Sunni Muslim cleric (or any cleric from KSA for that matter) that support it but I do know that the first time "Muslims" used suicide bombings were in the early 1980's and it was done by your beloved Hezbollah. Not only that the Iraqi Dawa Islamic Party (Shias) did suicide bombings too before almost everyone else.

All over the world, all the Takfiri organizations and all the suicide bombing related organizations follow the Saudi school of thought. Not a single Sunni or Shia organization was involved in it.
Sipah Sahaba leaders were warmly welcomed by Saudi Authorities.

And once again Hezbullah never did any suicide bombing against any civilians, contrary to Saudi backed organizations, which were involved in the open suicide bombings of Shia civilians and women and children.

Shia terrorist groups in Iraq have killed as many people as Daesh if not more since 2003. Right now they are doing it as well.

Once again NO.
Shias of Iraq didn't start Takfir, or didn't start killing of Sunnies of Iraq.
But it were the Sunni Groups who were supporting Saddam Hussain, who earlier during Saddam era killed Shias, and afterwards too continued killing the Shias through suicide bombings. You could never ever run from this reality.
The Saddam supporting Sunni groups though that it is their birth right to kill the Shias and rule the Iraq (same as in Bahrain now). Only after that Iraqi Shias showed the reaction and involved in killings.

 

[mike2000 is back]

And on the flip side of that is how they've done an amazing job curbing the rise of extremism and terrorism within Tunisia. This member nation here will be a huge contributor since they have this record of success that will be invaluable to the others.

I would have thought that it will be far easier for Tunisian government to curb such elements within its society, since Tunisia is not only a very small country (easier to manage) but its also one of the most democratic and Liberal Muslim country in the region. So I guess its easier to handle.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I would have thought that it will be far easier for Tunisian government to curb such elements within its society, since Tunisia is not only a very small country (easier to manage) but its also one of the most democratic and Liberal Muslim country in the region. So I guess its easier to handle.

After the revo...a political void was present... therefore no restriction were put in place...

AND ISIS in Syria in 2011-2012(13) didn't exist... Going to Syria to help wasn't seen as a crime..; EU countries did also give the opportunity of some to go there... it' s not onlyTunisia...
That's smthing a lot of ppl seems to forget...

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

1) Pakistan's economic and military cooperation with KSA is many times bigger than their cooperation with Iran and that has been the case for decades. The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is located in KSA and the GCC. Millions upon millions of Pakistanis are dependent on the remittances that derive from this community. I am not even talking about the other over 20 Arab countries. Only a complete ignorant clown would even attempt to make it sound like Iran is more important for Pakistan than the entire Arab world. Let alone just 1 Arab country in the form of KSA.

According to a recent poll in Pakistan, the Pakistani people (PDF is no representation) look at China and KSA as their closest allies and partners.

Agreed, bro. Iranians are clever and using Shia card to fool Pakistanis so that Pakistan can abstain from joining. Thankfully Pakistan noticed that and joined simple but good heart Arabs. I respect Arabs, the common ones.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Agreed, bro. Iranians are clever and using Shia card to fool Pakistanis so that Pakistan can abstain from joining. Thankfully Pakistan noticed that and joined simple but good heart Arabs. I respect Arabs, the common ones.

I don't care about sects at all bro, but to destroy this narrative once and for all, there are more Shias in the Arab world than in Iran and Pakistan combined. KSA alone has a bigger Shia minority than 90% of all Muslim countries as Shias have almost no presence in most Muslim countries outside of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, KSA, Turkey, Bahrain, Kuwait, Azerbaijan and Yemen.

Iran was invited but they refused to join. Iran is free to create their own Islamic Military Alliance and invite Pakistan or whoever they want to. They have not done that. Personally I know why because the Islamic Military Alliance main job is to deal with armed militias/terrorist groups who act outside of the jurisprudence of the state. In other words proxies. Iran's entire foreign policy depends on proxies. Thus I do understand why they have not joined.

If this alliance is supposed anti-Iran, it must be proven. Baseless accusations are easy to make.

Lastly nobody threatened Pakistan with a loaded gun to its head and told it that is has to join. Pakistan can at all times leave. Those people that took the decision and the likes of Raheel Sharif are much more qualified to have a say on this and know 1000 times more about what is going on than the average PDF user, in fact all PDF users combined. That's the reality.

If Arabs hated Pakistan as claimed so many times, why have Arab countries hosted more Pakistanis than any other countries of the world while we easily could have invited others? If Arabs hate Pakistanis, why is it that 1000's of Pakistanis marry with Arabs and vice versa? If Arabs hate Pakistan, why is it that Arab countries have helped Pakistan economically and diplomatically arguably more than any other people in the past 70 years?

Sure, now Arabs will be blamed because a few individual Arabs have supported dubious groups in Pakistan or even terrorist groups (which 1000's of locals have too) so that means that Arabs hate Pakistanis. The same waste of space (as I call them) have harmed the Arab world even more than Pakistan. Or a tiny minority of Pakistanis overall, have experienced supposed racism, as if racism does not work both ways by the ignorant lot as we have seen confirmed on PDF time and time again.

We should be equal partners and our people have no need to have mistrust or create hostility. We have a 1400 year old Islamic bond let alone a 5000 + years old historical bond that dates back to the IVC and ancient civilizations native to Arabia, Iraq (mostly those two) in the Arab world.

People whether Pakistanis (mostly Pakistanis since this is a Pakistani forum) who have a problem with Arab regime x or y should make that clear instead of attacking entire Arab countries or Arabs from Arab country x or y. It would be no different to Arabs attacking Pakistan due to Pakistani politicians, past actions of the military, some controversial clerics and what not. Or because some Pakistanis write anti-Arab drivel online. Hopefully you will understand my point.

Arabs should not look at Pakistanis as some holy figures nor vice versa. We should have an equal and pragmatic partnership. This is what I wish for.

Now wait for the usual lot to kickstart their drivel and anti-Arab bias to derail my truthful post based solely on facts and nothing else.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I don't care about sects at all bro, but to destroy this narrative once and for all, there are more Shias in the Arab world than in Iran and Pakistan combined. KSA alone has a bigger Shia minority than 90% of all Muslim countries as Shias have almost no presence in most Muslim countries outside of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, KSA, Turkey, Bahrain, Kuwait, Azerbaijan and Yemen.

Iran was invited but they refused to join. Iran is free to create their own Islamic Military Alliance and invite Pakistan or whoever they want to. They have not done that. Personally I know why because the Islamic Military Alliance main job is to deal with armed militias/terrorist groups who act outside of the jurisprudence of the state. In other words proxies. Iran's entire foreign policy depends on proxies. Thus I do understand why they have not joined.

If this alliance is supposed anti-Iran, it must be proven. Baseless accusations are easy to make.

Lastly nobody threatened Pakistan with a loaded gun to its head and told it that is has to join. Pakistan can at all times leave. Those people that took the decision and the likes of Raheel Sharif are much more qualified to have a say on this and know 1000 times more about what is going on than the average PDF user, in fact all PDF users combined. That's the reality.

If Arabs hated Pakistan as claimed so many times, why have Arab countries hosted more Pakistanis than any other countries of the world while we easily could have invited others? If Arabs hate Pakistanis, why is it that 1000's of Pakistanis marry with Arabs and vice versa? If Arabs hate Pakistan, why is it that Arab countries have helped Pakistan economically and diplomatically arguably more than any other people in the past 70 years?

Sure, now Arabs will be blamed because a few individual Arabs have supported dubious groups in Pakistan or even terrorist groups (which 1000's of locals have too) so that means that Arabs hate Pakistanis. Or a tiny minority of Pakistanis overall, have experienced supposed racism, as if racism does not work both ways by the ignorant lot as we have seen confirmed on PDF time and time again.

We should be equal partners and our people have no need to have mistrust or create hostility. We have a 1400 year old Islamic bond let alone a 5000 + years old historical bond that dates back to the IVC and ancient civilizations native to Arabia, Iraq (mostly those two) in the Arab world.

People whether Pakistanis (mostly Pakistanis since this is a Pakistani forum) who have a problem with Arab regime x or y should make that clear instead of attacking entire Arab countries or Arabs from Arab country x or y. It would be no different to Arabs attacking Pakistan due to Pakistani politicians, past actions of the military, some controversial clerics and what not. Or because some Pakistanis write anti-Arab drivel online. Hopefully you will understand my point.

Arabs should not look at Pakistanis as some holy figures nor vice versa. We should have an equal and pragmatic partnership. This is what I wish for.

Thanks for your such lengthy post and good writing. I agree with you. I don't agree with my government too often. Doesn't mean People start abusing me due to some stupid actions of my government. I also never demand anyone to respect my government but people and country....So, as a whole, let me tell you...Pakistanis greatly admire and adore Arabs and KSA as a whole...Saudi government also did a lot for Hajj pilgrims...I have been told about that by people here in Pakistan....We Pakistanis, I think, also have a defense pact with you guys...Defense pact of 1982 or 1984...I don't know exactly.

I wish best of luck to you and your community and great prosperity to Arabs regardless of difference of sects. Stay safe, keep guarding your countries....Pakistanis will be at forefront to help Saudis if any attack happens on Saudi sovereignty - a stance our civil/military leadership continuously elaborated...

Regarding this anti terror alliance, I hope we can learn from each other. The destabilization of countries must be stopped way before it reaches on our doors. This alliance has great potential and can grow like distinct military industrial complex - bringing everyone more closer politically, militarily and economically - a thing/isolation Iranians fear, so use Shia card despite knowing alliance is not against Shias.

 

[The SC]

The thread title is simply stupid..if not a sectarian flame starter..
There is the official site of the coalition with comprehensive content about its objectives..and that is made for anyone who want to know about it..
Iran was not invited to join, although there were some Pakistani attempts to brig it in.. but Iran refused!..
Tunisia is the proof that Daesh was friends with Usrael.. how else can one explain the killing of a Tunisian Engineer who developed drones for Hamas to be killed recently beside his home in Tunisia by Mossad agents..not to forget Abu Jihad PLO's number two after Arafat, assassination by Usrael commandos in Tunisia some time ago!!!? this raises a lot of questions about Tunisia..

If they wanted to fight terrorism they could have started it by fighting isis in Iraq and Syria, it's been almost 2 years of creation of such an alliance the Q is what they've done? while as I said earlier they considered isis as the main terrorist group (what they claimed) which is destroying Islam face. during the same period we pushed back isis and it's about to be eradicated from Syria and Iraq. Fighting terrorism doesn't need these alliances but mostly political will.
We don't support any terrorist group. Do you know any?

Actually, this alliance is still in its infancy..it was not there when these wars against ISIS were going on.. it is rather in response to those events why it was created, its main aim is to prevent such events from happening again.. you can read about its aims on its official website.. if you can connect the dots, the picture will be much clearer to you..

 

[AmirPatriot]

@veg don't waste your time with Hasani, his fascist talk, insulting of various nations and members will get him banned soon enough as it always does.

@Gomig-21 you keep saying everyone is happy and good as if the ummah actually works and how Iran should join this alliance to fight terrorism.

Let me tell you right off the bat that discounting feel good rhetoric like fighting terrorism "together!", "ummah!", holding hands and all that fantasy looks like purely a PR campaign in Iran's eyes (Don't think that is just conspiracy theories, international PR firms are very much a thing and are useful for Saudi which even the biggest of Saudi supporters will agree is viewed poorly by the general public in the west). Iran's perspective is that the furthest lengths this alliance will go to fighting anything whether it is terrorist or not is getting a few more countries involved in Yemen. Don't even think of it fighting Hezbollah. And by the way Iran doesn't regard any of those groups as terrorists. It is quite telling that Iran, Iraq and Syria (none of them in this Saudi alliance) who have been at the forefront of fighting the menace of ISIS and have in all practical terms defeated have it by just helping each other (and some help from the Russians). We didn't need to be in a 40 country alliance to defeat ISIS.

You also say that the fact that Pakistan was talking about inviting Iran and other countries that aren't anti-Iran joined it is proof that it isn't an anti-Iran alliance. But the fact is that all the countries joined for different reasons. Most of the more significant countries like UAE, Egypt, Pakistan etc. joined because they are pro-Saudi and are likely to follow Saudi initiatives, especially if it does not include a specific public anti-Iran agenda. Remember that as long as they say it isn't anti-Iran, then that is good enough of a reason because image counts. It brings plausible deniability. After all if Saudi openly said it is an anti-Iranian alliance many major countries like Pakistan wouldn't join. But just because they say it isn't anti-Iran doesn't mean the core of it isn't intended in countering Iranian regional allies like Hezbollah. The small and/or poor countries like Djibouti and Sudan are purely in there for the Saudi money (in the form of investments and the like), after all it's not like Djibouti has massive relations or trade with Iran anyway. Nothing to lose really.

Lastly this "Iran was invited" thing is just rubbish, Iran wasn't invited, Saudi allowed Pakistan to say that it wants Iran in. Smart move, Saudi gets easy PR that further convinces people it isn't an anti-Iran alliance, and Saudi already knows Iran won't join because as I've already explained it is against Iranian interests.

 

[Gomig-21]

@Gomig-21 you keep saying everyone is happy and good as if the ummah actually works and how Iran should join this alliance to fight terrorism.

It's a wonderful thing, bro. Happy, happy, happy.

Iran's perspective is that the furthest lengths this alliance will go to fighting anything whether it is terrorist or not is getting a few more countries involved in Yemen.

You really believe that? Yemen is almost completely in Saudi control and the Houthis are at each other's throats and the noose is tightening big time. That's why we're seeing those plastic missiles being fired because they're in desperation mode. The success of Houthi actions is far and few these days so what does that tell you? And the in-fighting is only a result that it's coming to an end and the Arab coalition is working.

And BTW, do you realize that what you say makes all these other countries pawns to Saudiya? I realize many anti Saudi/anti MbS/anti Egypt etc. think that, but that's not the ground reality. As a matter of fact, if you take Egypt only, it's involvement in Yemen was reconnaissance because Saudi is an important ally to Egypt and vice versa. What you're saying is Pakistan is a pawn, Turkey is a pawn, Egypt is a pawn etc etc. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's the simplistic, anti Saudi sentiment at full throttle.

Don't even think of it fighting Hezbollah.

Not to take anything away from Hezbollah, but that's a bit of an exaggeration. That group also needs reforming from this alliance.

And by the way Iran doesn't regard any of those groups as terrorists.

Of course not, they're just Iran's paws, pawns, proxies and tentacles doing Iran's dirty work for some $ and weapons. So what makes Iran any different than what it accuses Saudiya of? lol What it should've done is join and if Saudiya and others called Iran out, Iran could leverage her wishes against those. It could've brought a lot to the table and helped in the fight against the insects. Very simple, yet it didn't.

This is exactly why it didn't join, because it knew it was going to be called out to do more about giving up its pawny proxies for the betterment of the Muslim world, and of course it's not going to do that. Let's not even get into the certain Shia message that's preached against the Sunnah. The radical Shias clerics who insult the Prophet's (SallAllahu Aleyhi wa Salam) wife (RadialAllahu A'nha) and how the Mullas don't utter a word against that. Haraam. We need unity, not division. This alliance will make that a big part of the message or preaching the real Islam and will target those individuals who preach that despicable rubbish. It would've been much better if Iran was helping...

And BTW, in case you're thinking this is one-sided, the same ones on the opposite side of the spectrum in Saudiya & Egypt and Turkey etc. will be targeted just the same. So this is hardly a Sunnah/Shia thing.

It is quite telling that Iran, Iraq and Syria (none of them in this Saudi alliance) who have been at the forefront of fighting the menace of ISIS and have in all practical terms defeated have it by just helping each other (and some help from the Russians). We didn't need to be in a 40 country alliance to defeat ISIS.

You know what they've defeated? They've defeated something called ISIS, but they haven't defeated terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. What they defeated is a visible group, an entire coakroachial, cretenical, verminial entity that had a presence and a location and could be found and targeted. The real Terrorism -- although very much affiliated with cretanical ISIS -- is a whole other ball game. Just come to northern Sinai and see for yourself. Or how about being in the Iranian Parliament on June 7th of this year. Or the VBIEDs or suicide bombers in the souks of Iraq or Pakistan or even Tunisia. That is the dark element of terrorism that is hidden and very difficult to eradicate and BTW, unfortunately if we don't band together and cure this cancer, it will morph into something much more difficult than ISIS. This is the major goal of this alliance, Granted it's the primary goal, but nonetheless, one of the main goals. Getting a grip on the radical messages from twisted clerics preaching death and destruction is another. Neutralizing the discord between us Muslims is another huge element. Showing what Islam is really about instead of what these twisted cockroaches are doing, is also a major part of what this alliance is about.

How could these countries not be part of this?! Shame on them! Pure and simple. Algeria? Iraq? Syria? Iran? Absolutely SHAMEFUL! What these countries have done is they've sown seeds of divisiveness. Not good, not good at all.

After all if Saudi openly said it is an anti-Iranian alliance many major countries like Pakistan wouldn't join.

So you're saying Saudiya fooled all these other countries including Turkey, Tunisia, and Pakistan while at the same time that Pakistan is being fooled into this alliance, it allowed one of its most coveted generals to lead it as it's getting duped and fooled by Saudiya? Not sure Pakistanis would like that if they thought there was any truth to it.

Lastly this "Iran was invited" thing is just rubbish, Iran wasn't invited, Saudi allowed Pakistan to say that it wants Iran in. Smart move, Saudi gets easy PR that further convinces people it isn't an anti-Iran alliance, and Saudi already knows Iran won't join because as I've already explained it is against Iranian interests.

So basically what you're saying is Iran was in fact invited. Let's stop beating around the bush about who was invited or who didn't get a birthday card with hugs and kisses. Who cares who when why and how? The fact that it was invited is pure and simply enough. And BTW, it was invited from the start as this was a open alliance for ALL Muslim countries. You don't get an invitation card with flowers and an envoy bearing gifts etc., you just bring your rear end down to the table and become a member to fight this wicked, evil force that is frankly destroying our region, while the entire west is laughing at us being killed by this scum of the earth, and doing it in the name of our great religion. If this cause doesn't unite us, there is no hope whatsoever and I hold those who didn't join fully responsible for the alienation and being traitors of the Muslim world.

 

[BATMAN]

Turkmens in Iraq and Syria are heavily mixed with Arabs and have become Arabized to a large extend after so many centuries of presence. 800-500 years in fact. Similarly to the large number of Arabs that lived in Anatolia pre-Ottomans and who were later Turkified. No oppression. As for oppression of minorities, you need to look at the region's champion number 1 and take a look at Iran where Turk is used as an insult and where Turks are compared to donkeys.

Are you an Iranian by any account as many users believe here?

Here enjoy:

Pathetic from this serial troll.

Face it, Turkey has a much larger and more important border with the Arab world (Syria and Iraq), has much deeper economic cooperation with the Arab world than Iran and hosts nowadays millions of Arabs (5 million +). Tiny Qatar is probably/arguably not a much less important economic partner than 80 million big Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Turkish_relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Arab_League#Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_Arab_world

Without Arabs no Ottomans either.

This Fenasi Kerim troll is an obvious Iranian false-flagger. Explains his obsession about KSA and Arabs.

In informed about it on this forum, many years ago.
All sectarians become my enemy.

 

[Timur]

May be you are right.
But one reality is this Saudia was unable to make clear the "motives" of this army.
This allied army has not been used against ISIS.
This allied army has not been used againt al-Shabab.
This allied army has not been used against any one.

All countries asking for help only and want their own army to fight ISIS. None of them showed any wish for men of this allied army.

In the total absence of any such clarity, one doubt very much that actually Saudia wanted to create this alliance against Iran, as it is using the gulf countries alliance against Iran.

because this army is a paper army.. everything sa is doing it is for its own games.. today they show you the muslim face but they already began to open up the country step by step and the regime will show its true face in some time..

Turkmens in Iraq and Syria are heavily mixed with Arabs and have become Arabized to a large extend

that some of them are not aware is true but large amounts of them will just show you the grey wolf in your face for that comment..

if some are lost than it is the idiotic policy of turkey to call them turkmen they would not have lost identity if some politicians would not have acted badly and destructive by selling out territories in iraq and so on or just forgetting them..

Secondly yes I would welcome a war between Saudi Arabia and Iran

than welcome it and wait for your turn.. as if destabilizing iran would not mean that we will be the next target... we or iranians if one is lost than the other will suffer toolike iraq is lost and the whole region is on fire..