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Go eat lizard kid.

Go eat donkey brain and inject more farsi opium.

Speaking about food, Arab cuisine is much more diverse, famous, well-known and older than Farsi cuisine so you cannot compete on that front either.

In fact your tiny country and small population of Farsis (less than the population of 1 Arab country - Egypt) should not compete with us. In fact there are more Arabs in KSA and Yemen combined than you Farsis worldwide. It's a joke.

This is our living heritage that has lasted for 1400 + years.





Your biggest achievement was the conquest of ancient Semitic lands for a few decades while leaving nothing of worth or no influences whatsoever. Because you could not influence a superior and older culture. In fact it was the other way around. Adopting a Semitic language (Aramaic), religions, symbols, ancient capital cities (Babylon), adopting your first alphabet (A Semitic one as well as it is the oldest) etc. The list is VERY long.

Anyway I recently saw how ugly you look like. You look like the Gypsy beggars that you see in Europe but that is no surprise since you are closely related to them! Overweight to. Do something, man. I mean the overweight part. The rest you cannot do anything about outside of a nose job and some plastic surgery which we know is RAMPANT in Iran.

Go back to doing your Arabic homework that the Arab Mullah's in power force you to do.:lol:

Next month I should honor an ancient Yemeni king who slaughtered you Farsi invaders:

 
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Expect that Mongols only managed to capture Arab land solely in Iraq and parts of Syria for 2 years before they were defeated by the allied Arab and Turkic forces.

Ever heard about Ibn Taymiyyah (ra)? He described those times perfectly and was shaped by those times.

On the other hand Mongols pillaged modern-day Turkey and especially Central Asia and Iran much, much more and ruled the two last places for centuries. Mongol presence in the Arab world lasted 2 years only! From 1258 until 1260 and only involved Iraq and parts of Syria moreover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Central_Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_Khwarezmia

Not sure where you were taught history. In fact after the Mongols were defeated they became slaves like many other foreigners who lost on the battlefield. They were seen as uncivilized barbarians and rightly so.

Hulagu Khan of the Ilkhanate never could concentrate the bulk of his forces against the Mamluks because he was engaged in war against the Golden Horde.Without this war he would have swept the ME and Egypt.
 
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The only animal is you. Have you looked yourself in the mirror? I had the unpleasant experience of seeing you. Something I have not yet forgot. It was unpleasant to say the least.

Now do you see the topic of this thread? Hint, it's not about Iranian nose jobs or Iranian opium.

Hulagu Khan of the Ilkhanate never could concentrate the bulk of his forces against the Mamluks because he was engaged in war against the Golden Horde.Without this war he would have swept the ME and Egypt.

That is mere speculation. What we know is that Mongol presence in the Arab world lasted solely 2 years and eventually it was brutally defeated. Unlike the horrors that the Mongols brought upon Central Asia, modern-day Iran, Anatolia, Kievan Rus', Eastern Europe etc. long afterwards.

This is similar to how many historians believe that if Charles Martel had not won at the Battle of Tours much of Europe would have come under Arab rule and not only Spain, Portugal, parts of Southern France, Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, Crete etc.

Personally I don't believe that either of those two things would have occurred. Most likely more land would have been conquered by both parties (Arabs and Mongols) and their presence might have been longer but eventually they would have been defeated due to simple demographics, geography, their adversaries adaption to their tactics etc.

Anyway none of this would even have occurred had the Arab elites in the Abbasid Caliphate not focused most of their time on science, art, pleasures, architecture etc. rather than military that was outsourced to Mamluks (former slaves) etc. Anyway every empire sees its end either due to internal or external reasons.

Not to say undermining the traditional Arab military elites or internal rivalries of succession. The reason why foreigners were increasingly used was because rivaling dynasties, families etc. did not trust locals. For the first 400-500 years that was not the case but after employing this tactic things went downwards. No surprise, really. You can't expect loyalty from former slaves.

 
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Go eat donkey brain and inject more farsi opium.

Speaking about food, Arab cuisine is much more diverse, famous, well-known and older than Farsi cuisine so you cannot compete on that front either.

In fact your tiny country and small population of Farsis (less than the population of 1 Arab country - Egypt) should not compete with us. In fact there are more Arabs in KSA and Yemen combined than you Farsis worldwide. It's a joke.

This is our living heritage that has lasted for 1400 + years.





Your biggest achievement was the conquest of ancient Semitic lands for a few decades while leaving nothing of worth or no influences whatsoever. Because you could not influence a superior and older culture. In fact it was the other way around. Adopting a Semitic language (Aramaic), religions, symbols, ancient capital cities (Babylon), adopting your first alphabet (A Semitic one as well as it is the oldest) etc. The list is VERY long.

Anyway I recently saw how ugly you look like. You look like the Gypsy beggars that you see in Europe but that is no surprise since you are closely related to them! Overweight to. Do something, man. I mean the overweight part. The rest you cannot do anything about outside of a nose job and some plastic surgery which we know is RAMPANT in Iran.

Go back to doing your Arabic homework that the Arab Mullah's in power force you to do.:lol:

Next month I should honor an ancient Yemeni king who slaughtered you Farsi invaders:

Tazi camel piss drinker, check this thread:

https://defence.pk/threads/ancient-iranian-civilizations-since-12000-years-ago.393162


You Tazi (=dog in Persian language) should stop stealing Iraqi history. Go enjoy some camel piss instead.


@Faravahar @Rukarl
 
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Hulagu Khan of the Ilkhanate never could concentrate the bulk of his forces against the Mamluks because he was engaged in war against the Golden Horde.Without this war he would have swept the ME and Egypt.

Qutuz and Baibars was great military leaders too, you cant put that aside, but yes if Berke and Hulagu wasnt fighting nothing can stand in their way.
 
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Camel worshipper history of Mesopotamia and Iran has nothing to do with u.


History of Iran since 12000 years ago:


Tehran


Settlement of Tehran dates back over 7,000 years.[8] An important historical city in the area of modern-day Tehran, now absorbed by it, is known as "Rey", which is etymologically connected to the Old Persian and Avestan "Rhages".[9] The city was a major area of the Iranian speaking Medes andAchaemenids.

  1. In the Zoroastrian Avesta's Videvdad (i, 15), Rhaga is mentioned as the twelfth sacred place created by Ahura-Mazda.[10] In the Old Persian inscriptions (Behistun 2, 10–18), Rhaga appears as a province. From Rhaga, Darius the Great sent reinforcements to his father Hystaspes, who was putting down the rebellion in Parthia (Behistun 3, 1–10).[10]

    Rey is richer than many other ancient cities in the number of its historical monuments, among which one might refer to the 3000-year-old Gebri castle, the 5000-year-old Cheshmeh Ali hill, the 1000-year-old Bibi Shahr Banoo tomb and Shah Abbasi caravanserai. It has been home to pillars of science like Rhazes.

    The Damavand mountain located near the city also appears in the Shahnameh as the place where Freydun bounds the dragon-fiend Zahak. Damavand is important in Persian mythological and legendary events.[11]Kyumars, the Zoroastrian prototype of human beings and the first king in the Shahnameh, was said to have resided in Damavand.[11] In these legends, the foundation of the city of Damavand was attributed to him.[11]Arash the Archer, who sacrificed his body by giving all his strength to the arrow that demarcated Iran and Turan, shot his arrow from Mount Damavand.[11]This Persian legend was celebrated every year in theTiregan festival. A popular feast is reported to have been held in the city of Damavand on 7 Shawwal 1230, or in Gregorian calendar, 31 August 1815. During the alleged feast the people celebrated the anniversary of Zahak's death.[11] In the Zoroastrian legends, the tyrant Zahak is to finally be killed by the Iranian hero Garshaspbefore the final days.[11]

    In some Middle Persian texts, Rey is given as the birthplace of Zoroaster,[12] although modern historians generally place the birth of Zoroaster inKhorasan. In one Persian tradition, the legendary king Manuchehr was also born in Damavand.[11]

    There is also a shrine there, dedicated to commemorate Princess Shahr Banu, eldest daughter of the last ruler of the Sassanid Empire. She gave birth to Ali Zayn al Abidin (PBUH), the fourth holy Imam of the Shia Islam. This was through her marriage to Hussain ibn Ali (PBUH), the grandson of prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

    Tehran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rey, Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Zagros (Kermanshah)

    Signs of early agriculture date back as far as 9000 BC to the foothills of the Zagros Mountains,[13] in cities later named Anshan and Susa. Jarmo is one archaeological site in this area. Shanidar, where the ancient skeletal remains of Neanderthals have been found, is another.

    Some of the earliest evidence of wine production has been discovered in the Zagros Mountains; both the settlements of Hajji Firuz Tepe and Godin Tepe have given evidence of wine storage dating between 3500 and 5400 BC.[14]

    During early ancient times, the Zagros was the home of peoples such as the Kassites, Guti, Assyrians, Elamites andMitanni, who periodically invaded the Sumerian and/orAkkadian cities of Mesopotamia. The mountains create a geographic barrier between the flatlands of Mesopotamia, which is in Iraq, and the Iranian plateau. A small archive ofclay tablets detailing the complex interactions of these groups in the early second millennium BC has been found at Tell Shemshara along the Little Zab.[15] Tell Bazmusian, near Shemshara, was occupied between the sixth millennium BCE and the ninth century CE, although not continuously.[16]

    Zagros Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Kashan

    Archeological discoveries in the Sialk Hillocks which lie 4 km west of Kashan reveal that this region was one of the primary centers of civilization inpre-historic ages. Hence Kashan dates back to the Elamite period of Iran. The Sialk ziggurat still stands today in the suburbs of Kashan after 7,000 years.

    The artifacts uncovered at Sialk reside in the Louvre in Paris and the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art, and Iran's National Museum.

    Sialk, and the entire area around it, is thought to have first originated as a result of the pristine large water sources nearby that still run today. The Cheshmeh ye Soleiman (or "Solomon's Spring") has been bringing water to this area from nearby mountains for thousands of years.

    By some accounts although not all Kashan was the origin of the three wise men who followed the star that guided them to Bethlehem to witness thenativity of Jesus, as recounted in the Bible.[3] Whatever the historical validity of this story, the attribution of Kashan as their original home testifies to the city's prestige at the time the story was set down.

    Sultan Malik Shah I of the Seljuk dynasty ordered the building of a fortress in the middle of Kashan in the 11th century. The fortress walls, calledGhal'eh Jalali still stand today in central Kashan.

    Kashan was also a leisure vacation spot for SafaviKings. Bagh-e Fin (Fin Garden), specifically, is one of the most famous gardens of Iran. This beautiful garden with its pool and orchards was designed for Shah Abbas I as a classical Persian vision of paradise. The original Safavid buildings have been substantially replaced and rebuilt by the Qajar dynasty although the layout of trees and marble basins is close to the original. The garden itself however, was first founded 7000 years ago alongside the Cheshmeh-ye-Soleiman. The garden is also notorious as the site of the murder of Mirza Taghi Khan known as Amir Kabir, chancellor of Nasser-al-Din Shah, Iran's King in 1852.

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    Kashan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Tepe Sialk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Chogha Mish

    Tappeh-ye Choghā Mīsh (Persian language; ČOḠĀ MĪŠ) dating back to 6800 BC, is the site of a Chalcolithicsettlement in Western Iran, located in theKhuzistan Province on the Susiana Plain. It was occupied at the beginning of 6800 BC and continuously from the Neolithicup to the Proto-Literateperiod.

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    Musicians portrayed on pottery found at Chogha Mish

    Chogha Mish was a regional center during the late Uruk period of Mesopotamia and is important today for information about the development of writing. At Chogha Mish, evidence begins with an accounting system using clay tokens, over time changing to clay tablets with marks, finally to thecuneiform writing system.

    Chogha Mish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Chogha Bonut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Marhasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Haft Tepe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Chogha Zanbil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Signs of 9000-year-old settlement found in Iran's Behbahan


    Lorestan

    Lorestān bronze is a set of Early Iron Age bronze artifacts of various individual forms which have been recovered from Lorestān and Kermanshahareas in west-central Iran. They include a great number of weapons, ornaments, tools, and ceremonial objects. The artifacts were created by a major group of Persian aboriginals known as Lurs.

    Lorestani Bronze objects were taken illegally to Europe via Mesopotamia and to cover up most of the items taken they called them Mesopotamian while in fact there are no similarities what so ever between the Persian Bronze objects excavated in Lorestan 1943 to 1968, which were dated to be from 5000 BC. The hair pins and four men holding a cup were typical of that period which once again separates Iranian development from whatever was going on in so called Sumerian areas. Typical Lorestāni-style objects belong to the (Iranian) Iron Age (c. 1250-650 BC).

    The term "Lorestān bronze" is not normally used for earlier bronze artifacts from Luristan between the fourth millennium BC and the (Iranian) Bronze Age (c. 2900-1250 BC). These bronze objects were similar to those found in Mesopotamia and on the Iranian plateau.

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    Swords and axes from Lorestān; on exhibit at the Louvre Museum

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    Cave painting in Doushe cave, Lorestan, Iran, 8000 BC

    In 1930 a large quantity of canonical Lorestān bronze artifacts appeared on the Iranian and European antiquities markets as a result of plundering of tombs in this region. Since 1938 several scientific excavations were conducted by American, Danish, British, Belgian, and Iranian archaeologists on the graveyards with stone tombs in the northern Pish Kuh valleys and the southern Pusht Kuh of Lorestān.

    Lorestan Province - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lorestān Bronze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Zayandeh River (Ispahan)

    Zayandeh River Culture (تمدن زاینده رود, literally "Zāyandé-Rūd Civilization") is a hypothetical pre-historic culture that is theorized to have flourished around the Zayandeh River in Ispahan province of Iran in 6,000 BC.

    Archaeologists speculate that a possible early civilizationexisted along the banks of the Zayandeh River, developing at the same time as other ancient civilizations appeared alongside rivers in the region.

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    Link with Sialk and Marvdasht civilizations

    During the 2006 excavations, the Iranian archaeologistsuncovered some artifacts that they linked to those from Sialk and Marvdasht.[2]

    Zayandeh River Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Shahdad (Kerman)

    Shahdad (Persian: شهداد‎) is a city in and the capital of Shahdad District, in Kerman County, Kerman Province, Iran. At the 2006 census, its population was 4,097, in 1,010 families.

    Shahdad is the centre of Shahdad district which includes smaller cities and villages such as Sirch, Anduhjerd, Chehar Farsakh, Go-diz, Keshit, Ibrahim Abad, Joshan and Dehseif.

    The driving distance from Kermancity to Shahdad is 95 km. Shahdad is located at the edge of the Lut desert. The local climate is hot and dry. The main agricultural produce is date fruits.

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    Ancient bronze flag, Shahdad Kerman, Iran

    There are many castles and caravanserais at Shahdad and around. Examples are the Shafee Abaad castle and the Godeez castle. North of town theAratta civilization villageand dwarf humans are said to have existed since 6,000 BC. Sharain of emam Zadeh Zeyd, south of town, is the most respected religious site of Shahdad.

    The oldest metal flag in human history was found in this city.

    Shahdad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Tepe Yahya

    Tepe Yahya is an archaeological site in Kermān Province,Iran, some 220 km south of Kerman city, 90 km south of Baft city and 90 km south-west ofJiroft.

    Habitation spans the 6th to 2nd millennia BCE and the 10th to 4th centuries BCE. In the 3rd millennium BCE, the city was a production center ofchlorite pottery which were exported to Mesopotamia. In this period, the area was under Elamite influence, and tablets with Proto-Elamiteinscriptions were found. [1]

    The site is a circular mound, around 20 meters in height and around 187 meters in diameter. [2] It was excavated in six seasons from 1967 to 1975 by the American School of Prehistoric Research of the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology of Harvard University in a joint operation with what is now the Shiraz University. The expedition was under the direction of C. C. Lamberg-Karlovsky.

    Periodization is as follows:
    Period I Sasanian pre: 200 BC-400 A.D.
    Period II Achaemenian(?): 275-500 B.C.
    Period III Iron Age: 500-1000 B.C.
    Period IV A Elamite?: 2200-2500 B.C.
    IV B Proto-Elamite: 2500-3000 B.C.
    IV C Proto-Elamite: 3000-3400 B.C.
    Period V Yahya Culture: 3400-3800 B.C.
    Period VI Coarse Ware-Neolithic: 3800-4500 B.C.
    Period VII: 4500-5500 B.C.

    Tepe Yahya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Susa

    Susa (ˈsuːsə/; Persian: شوش‎Shush; [ʃuʃ]; Hebrew שׁוּשָׁן Shushān;Greek: Σοῦσα [ˈsuːsa]; Syriac: ܫܘܫShush; Old Persian Çūšā) was an ancient city of theElamite, First Persian Empire and Parthianempires of Iran. It is located in the lower Zagros Mountains about 250 km (160 mi) east of the Tigris River, between the Karkheh andDez Rivers.

    The modern Iranian town of Shush is located at the site of ancient Susa. Shush is the administrative capital of the Shush County of Iran's Khuzestanprovince. It had a population of 64,960 in 2005.[1]


    Map showing the area of the Elamite kingdom (in red) and the neighboring areas. The approximate Bronze Age extension of the Persian Gulf is shown.
    In historic literature, Susa appears in the very earliest Sumerian records: for example, it is described as one of the places obedient to Inanna, patron deity of Uruk, in Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta.

    Susa is also mentioned in the Ketuvim of the Hebrew Bibleby the name Shushan, mainly in Esther, but also once each in Nehemiah and Daniel. Both Daniel and Nehemiah lived in Susa during the Babylonian captivity of the 6th century BCE. Esther became queen there, and saved the Jews from genocide. A tomb presumed to be that of Daniel is located in the area, known as Shush-Daniel. The tomb is marked by an unusual white stone cone, which is neither regular nor symmetric. Many scholars believe it was at one point aStar of David. Susa is further mentioned in the Book of Jubilees(8:21 & 9:2) as one of the places within the inheritance of Shem and his eldest son Elam; and in 8:1, "Susan" is also named as the son (or daughter, in some translations) of Elam.

    Greek mythology attributed the founding of Susa to kingMemnon of Aethiopia, a character from Homer's Trojan War epic, the Iliad.

    Proto-Elamite

    In urban history, Susa is one of the oldest-known settlements of the region. Based on C14 dating, the foundation of a settlement there occurred as early as 4395 BCE (a calibrated radio-carbon date).[2] Archeologists have dated the first traces of an inhabited Neolithic village to c 7000 BCE. Evidence of a painted-pottery civilization has been dated to c 5000 BCE.[3] Its name in Elamite was written variously Ŝuŝan, Ŝuŝun, etc. The origin of the wordSusa is from the local city deity Inshushinak. Like itsChalcolithic neighbor Uruk, Susa began as a discrete settlement in the Susa I period (c 4000 BCE). Two settlements called Acropolis (7 ha) and Apadana (6.3 ha) by archeologists, would later merge to form Susa proper (18 ha).[4] The Apadana was enclosed by 6m thick walls oframmed earth. The founding of Susa corresponded with the abandonment of nearby villages. Potts suggests that the city may have been founded to try to reestablish the previously destroyed settlement at Chogha Mish.[4] Susa was firmly within the Uruk cultural sphere during the Uruk period. An imitation of the entire state apparatus of Uruk,proto-writing, cylinder seals with Sumerian motifs, and monumental architecture, is found at Susa. Susa may have been a colony of Uruk. As such, the periodization of Susa corresponds to Uruk; Early, Middle and Late Susa II periods (3800–3100 BCE) correspond to Early, Middle, and Late Uruk periods.

    By the middle Susa II period, the city had grown to 25 ha.[4]Susa III (3100–2900 BCE) corresponds with Uruk III period. Ambiguous reference to Elam (Cuneiform; NIM) appear also in this period in Sumerian records. Susa enters history during the Early Dynastic period of Sumer. A battle betweenKish and Susa is recorded in 2700 BCE.

    Susa Cemetery

    Shortly after Susa was first settled 6000 years ago, its inhabitants erected a temple on a monumental platform that rose over the flat surrounding landscape. The exceptional nature of the site is still recognizable today in the artistry of the ceramic vessels that were placed as offerings in a thousand or more graves near the base of the temple platform. Nearly two thousand pots were recovered from the cemetery most of them now in theLouvre. The vessels found are eloquent testimony to the artistic and technical achievements of their makers, and they hold clues about the organization of the society that commissioned them.[5] Painted ceramic vessels from Susa in the earliest first style are a late, regional version of the Mesopotamian Ubaid ceramic tradition that spread across the Near East during the fifth millennium B.C.[5]

    Susa I style was very much a product of the past and of influences from contemporary ceramic industries in the mountains of western Iran. The recurrence in close association of vessels of three types—a drinking goblet or beaker, a serving dish, and a small jar—implies the consumption of three types of food, apparently thought to be as necessary for life in the afterworld as it is in this one. Ceramics of these shapes, which were painted, constitute a large proportion of the vessels from the cemetery. Others are course cooking-type jars and bowls with simple bands painted on them and were probably the grave goods of the sites of humbler citizens as well as adolescents and, perhaps, children.[6] The pottery is carefully made by hand. Although a slow wheel may have been employed, the asymmetry of the vessels and the irregularity of the drawing of encircling lines and bands indicate that most of the work was done freehand.

    Susa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Elam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Tazi camel piss drinker, check this thread:

https://defence.pk/threads/ancient-iranian-civilizations-since-12000-years-ago.393162


You Tazi should stop stealing Iraqi history. Go end enjoy some camel piss.

Donkey piss drinker (using your language), do you think that an Arab and Semite, whose lands are the cradle of civilization and whose cultures and civilizations are the oldest in the entire world, are impressed with anything that comes out of Iran when your entire culture is heavily influenced by Semitic culture and civilizations? To this very day. In fact this is the core of your past civilizations as well. Of course nobody is impressed. You are not speaking to some Lithuanian here.

Iraq is a country that was created in 1919. What makes up modern-day Iraq is an Semitic and Arab heartland. Iraqi culture is Arab and Semitic culture. It is as obvious as your Yazd being an Iranian city.

The gentleman that I use as an avatar (that predates your countries existence by millennia, language, notion of anything called Iran etc.) was an Akkadian Semite and Akkadians originated in the Arabian Peninsula and Southern Levant.

You see every Arabic-speaker will understand much of ancient Semitic languages. I for instance can understand a lot of Aramaic which was the language that Prophet Isa (as) spoke and which you Farsis adopted as you adopted Arabic alphabet and language 1400 years ago.

Do you see this map from 2400 BC.



Slow down on the opium and do not waste my time. You should stop commenting on Arab-related topics as every Arab user here cannot stand you and secondly you are as relevant as a Papuan or Eskimo on such topics.

And here you have an Britannica article about another migration out of Arabia of ancient Semitic peoples called the Amorites who dominated neighboring Levant and Mesopotamia.

https://global.britannica.com/topic/Amorite

The founders of Babylon and some of the earliest city states in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites

So do not teach me the history of MY ancestors, kawli!

And recently a DNA study proved that modern-day Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians have the largest ancestral claim on the Neolithic civilizations that first appeared in Southern Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture


A culture that existed from 12.5000 BC to 9.500 BC whose people are known to have built the first Neolithic settlements on the planet as well as made the first attempts at agriculture, organized included. It was also arguably the first sedentary culture of this size in the world as well.


Here are the DNA results from this year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf


It's quite cool that Saudi Arabians (in particular as they scored the highest percentage, one sample 60.38%!), Palestinians, Jordanians, "Israeli" Bedouins and Egyptians (afterwards other Arabs in the Near East and other MENA people) show the strongest genetic affinity to the ancient Natufian culture (12.500 BC - 9.500 BC) that was not only the first settled Neolithic civilization/community in the world but the first culture and people who introduced farming and built the first known settlements! More so knowing that the Natufians did not hail from the outside whether nearby Europe or Africa! They were indigenous.

Nobody can steal our history!

Not to say that Arabia has a longer history of human habitation than any other region of the world outside of Eastern Africa. In fact Iran was a complete wasteland for millennia upon millennia while there were civilizations in Arabia. Not only that his ancestors lived in Arabia like that of every non-Sub-Saharan African.

https://defence.pk/threads/one-of-t...nt-tombs-discovered-in-ksa-from-space.443566/

Let the opium addict try to disprove scientific and historical facts now. Of course I know that I am speaking to a door who lives in his own parallel universe so I am wasting my time. The only thing this tool is doing on PDF is to spread anti-Arab nonsense despite not knowing how much influenced he is by the very same people that he hates. Let alone their previous ancestors. We should feel sad for him.

Not going to waste my time with him any longer. If I see him trolling in Arab-related topics I will simply report him or contact WebMaster personally. This post speaks for itself so I have no need to elaborate anymore.

@EgyptianAmerican brother, please take a look at my links. That is actual proof and science of history that is relevant for our glorious ancestors. This illiterate anti-Arab imbecile is trying to disrespect our ancestors who are admired and respected across the world.
 
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Apologies in advance for caps below but there is a limit to everything


POSTERS FROM SAUDI AND IRANIAN ORIGIN:

IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WHICH ONE OF YOU IS AWESOME THEN DO IT WITHOUT INSULTING EACH OTHER

DANGLE YOUR DICKS WITHOUT PISSING AT EACH OTHER., BE MODEST ABOUT WHAT EVER YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WORLD AND STOP ACTING LIKE ANIMALS.

THE SAD FACT IS THAT YOUR EGO WARS ARE HALLOW THERE IS NOTHING TO SHOW OR BRAG ABOUT
 
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Fair enough.

Why is it an admission of religion/Islam being man-made? It is merely a honest observation based on history and human interaction. We as humans have a free will to decide how we want to live our lives. Islam started as something "strange" (meaning it had few adherents) and Prophet Muhammad (saws) prophesied that Islam will become a "strange" phenomenon again. Meaning that there will be many followers who call themselves Muslim but the number of Muslims who will follow the teachings of Islam will be limited once again.

Who says that you have to follow any Sheikhs or scholars blindly? There are good and bad scholars just as there are good and bad Muslims. You have been blessed with an intellect and a free will and everything that you want to research in search for the truth is available for you and everyone else who is interested in seeking that truth. Depending on what they define as the truth.

Islam, like any other religion and ideology, has been and is misused by rulers and individuals for their own gains and other agendas that have little to do with what Islam teaches. That has almost always been the case and this is merely human nature and it follows the pattern of previous Prophets and their struggles with past societies. Do you think that it was any different say 200 years ago? It was not.

Anyway there is a key difference between Islam and Muslims.

What we witness today of problems in the Muslim world was also witnessed by our ancestors however that did not make them leave Islam. Neither should we.

Ordinary Muslims have a free will as you and I have. I could not care less what some cleric in say Tajikistan has to say about x or y. I have all the equipment I need to follow Islam as it was supposed to be followed. Studying and seeking to be righteous will always get you closer to God.

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With all due respect my friend, there is no free will in Islam. You can't leave Islam in a Muslim nation without facing serious consequences, possibly your own demise. Even those in the West, have trouble leaving Islam, they have to live a private lifestyle if they can even manage to, and that alone goes against the concept of free will. Many people end up in arranged marriages in the Muslim world, mostly affecting women, against their will. Usually for tribal reasons or religious reasons. There is so much that doesn't make sense with Islam, logic tells us it is full of errors and man made. Yet deep down, many of us still believe in a creator. This is something many people are discovering, and Christians/Jews have already discovered not too long ago.

As for the Hadith, I don't believe he said that, and rather it was fabricated in past two centuries. Some hadith that is true, was disregarded as 'weak', because it does not contain things that are sensible in the modern world. Like much of the end times hadiths, there is no 'Sufyani', 'Dajjal', or 'Mahdi', nor '12 thousand horsemen' to support him. Nor there is 'Gog and Magog'. None of that makes any sense at all. Nobody actually believes a single man can emerge and change the Muslim world, nobody believes a man will come out with special powers, fool people into disbelief, etc.... The 'Paradise' we are promised consists of rivers of milk, and gold cups, gold combs, this stuff is relevant and fascinating to those before us. To those of us alive today, we would envision a different kind of Paradise.

At the time of the Prophet, 'possession' and 'black magic' occurred. Nobody then knew that people being 'possessed' were actually just dealing with a mental illness. 'Black magic' is also not a real thing. Yet we were told these things are real, and some 'black magicians' would get killed for their actions. Nobody that is educated would stone a woman to death, yet we are told that is what God commanded. Islam seemed to lead so many people to their deaths. People devoted all their lives to spirituality, strict moral guidelines, and volunteering in war, and most suffered. Women and men. It made people miserable, and so many left Islam after the death of Prophet, the only way Islam survived was by fighting those who left it afterwards and maintaining it.

Even at time of Hussain, rape and murder occurred in Mecca and Medina. There's clearly something not right. And people have the right to believe what they want. But, clearly in the Muslim world, you do not have the right to leave Islam nor to free will. You are not allowed to criticize Islam, even if you are, most likely you will get killed, if not shunned by your family or community/nations people. We have people who are NOT in tune with reality. BECAUSE of our religion. Literally we are detached from reality.

So at this point, this so called savior character is long over due. All the 'end time sign' stuff occurred. God has to reassure people soon, within a year. And don't give us excuses that it is still decades away, no, it isn't. The world has dramatically changed. Every sign passed, except the sign 'Eurphates unveils treasure of Gold, every 99 out of 100 who fight over will die', and the 'Asteroid hitting earth'. We know these two things are bullshit and will never occur. They were only put in to get people to not doubt the so called 'salvation' that is coming, which would also make them doubt the religion as a whole as well.

So somebody lied, and some are continuing to lie. Or this savior character will emerge in the coming year. There should be a timeline for this, if these incidents don't come to truth by next year, then that is it. Muslims can't afford to remain detached from reality, killing their own people for exercising their rights, attributing mental illnesses to 'possessions', repressing the rights of women and men, etc..... They are paying a heavy price for these beliefs and mentality.
 
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So at this point, this so called savior character is long over due. All the 'end time sign' stuff occurred. God has to reassure people soon, within a year. And don't give us excuses that it is still decades away, no, it isn't. The world has dramatically changed. Every sign passed, except the sign 'Eurphates unveils treasure of Gold, every 99 out of 100 who fight over will die', and the 'Asteroid hitting earth'. We know these two things are bullshit and will never occur. They were only put in to get people to not doubt the so called 'salvation' that is coming, which would also make them doubt the religion as a whole as well.

So somebody lied, and some are continuing to lie. Or this savior character will emerge in the coming year. There should be a timeline for this, if these incidents don't come to truth by next year, then that is it. Muslims can't afford to remain detached from reality, killing their own people for exercising their rights, attributing mental illnesses to 'possessions', repressing the rights of women and men, etc..... They are paying a heavy price for these beliefs and mentality.


God does not owe you anything, leave Islam if you want. No one is going to stop you.He does not speed up the end times because some idiot complains and wants a reason to continue being Muslim.

Take my Suggestion either become a Reformist Muslim and change the Quran and make a New sect, No one is going to stop you. Or just Leave Islam, Nobody cares and nobody has time to deal with your complaints and bull.


Narrated Jabir: that a Bedouin gave the pledge to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) for Islam, then he was afflicted by the sickness in Al-Madinah. So the Bedouin went to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and said: "Take back my pledge." But the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) refused. Then the Bedouin left and came back and said: "Take back my pledge," and he refused. Then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Al-Madinah is but like bellows, it expels its filth and purifies its good."

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3920 Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4299

Apostasy in Islam does not include acts against Islam or conversion to another religion that is involuntary, forced or done as concealment out of fear of persecution or during war (Taqiyya or Kitman).[10][11]

But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.

— Quran 3:90

Is there any sentence against them?


Contemporary Islamic Shafi`i jurists such as the Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa,[103][104] Shi'a jurists such as Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[105] and some jurists, scholars and writers of other Islamic sects, have argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances, but these minority opinions have not found broad acceptance among the majority of Islamic scholars.[4][106] However others have successfully argued that the majority view, in both the past and the present, wasn't a severe punishment for mere apostasy.[107]

Islamic scholars like the Grand Mufti of Cairo Ali Gomaa have stated that while God will punish apostates in the afterlife they should not be executed by human beings. He compares the apostasy condemned by the Hadiths as closer to high treason, namely a betrayal of the Muslim state and polity.[108][109]

Javed Ahmad Ghamidi writes that punishment for apostasy was part of divine punishment for only those who denied the truth even after clarification in its ultimate form by Muhammad (Itmaam-i-hujjat), hence, he considers it a time-bound command and no longer punishable.[110]

Tariq Ramadan states that given "the way the Prophet behaved with the people who left Islam (like Hishâm and 'Ayyash) or who converted to Christianity (such as Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh), it should be stated that one who changes her/his religion should not be killed". He further states that "there can be no compulsion or coercion in matters of faith not only because it is explicitly forbidden in the Qur'an but also because free conscious and choice and willing submission are foundational to the first pillar (declaration of faith) and essential to the very definition of Islam. Therefore, someone leaving Islam or converting to another religion must be free to do so and her/his choice must be respected."[111]




"This is an alternative belief heard increasingly within Islam: that religious freedom and the absence of compulsion in religion requires that individuals be allowed adopt a religion or to convert to another religion without legal penalty. Of course, whether a person who leaves Islam can be expected to be free of condemnation from their family and neighbors is a different matter.

One group promoting this belief is Sisters in Islam (SIS), "a group of Muslim professional women committed to promoting the rights of women within the framework of Islam." 2 They claim that the death penalty is not an appropriate response to apostasy:

The former Chief Justice of Pakistan, SA Rahman, has written that there is no reference to the death penalty in any of the 20 instances of apostasy mentioned in the Qur'an. 3

The quotation from Surah An-Nisa', 4:137, shown at the top of this essay, seems to imply that multiple, sequential apostasies are possible. That would not be possible if the person were executed after the first apostasy.


Muslims who support the death penalty for apostasy often base their belief partly on a hadith in which he said: "Kill whoever changes his religion." But this is a weak foundation because:

This hadith was only transmitted from Muhammad (pbuh) by one individual. It was not confirmed by a second person. According to Islamic law, this is insufficient basis on which to impose the death penalty.

The hadith is so generally worded that it would require the death penalty for a Christian or Jew who converted to Islam. This is obviously not the prophet's intent. The hadith is in need of further specification, which has not been documented.

Many scholars interpret this passage as referring only to instances of high treason. (e.g. declaring war on Islam, Muhammad (pbuh), God, etc.)

There is no historical record which indicates that Muhammad (pbuh) or any of his companions ever sentenced anyone to death for apostasy.

A number of Islamic scholars from past centuries, Ibrahim al-Naka'I, Sufyan al-Thawri, Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi, Abul Walid al-Baji and Ibn Taymiyyah, have all held that apostasy is a serious sin, but not one that requires the death penalty. In modern times, Mahmud Shaltut, Sheikh of al-Azhar, and Dr Mohammed Sayed Tantawi have concurred.

Dr. Maher Hathout, author of "In Pursuit of Justice: The Jurisprudence of Human Rights in Islam," writes:
"We strongly oppose the state's use of coercion in regulating Islamic belief in such a manner, since faith is a matter of individual choice on which only God can adjudicate."

Referring to the two hadiths traditionally used to justify the death penalty, Hathout writes:

"...both of them contradict the Quran and other instances in which the Prophet did not compel anyone to embrace Islam, nor punish them if they recanted."

"In one incident, the Prophet pardoned Abdullah bin Sa'd, after he renounced Islam. Abdullah bin Sa'd was one of the people chosen by the Prophet as a scribe, to write down Qur'anic text as it was revealed to the Prophet. After spending some time with the Muslims in Madina, he recanted and returned to the religion of the Quraish. When he was brought before the Prophet, Osman bin Affan pleaded on his behalf, and the Prophet subsequently pardoned Abdullah bin Sa'd (Ibn Hisham).

"The problem with the argument for punishment for apostasy is that it cannot be applied in any Islamic state without giving rise to the potential for abuse by the state itself. Erroneously equating moral with political power in the determination of law has led to the political repression that we see in Islamic countries today. We must separate the right of God from that of man in defining freedom of religion as a legal right. The right of God refers only to the moral obligations of Muslims towards God, and is adjudicated by God. The state cannot act as a coercive moral authority, in effect representing God's Will on earth, because it does not have the right to do so. In the context of freedom of religion, the state's responsibility is to uphold and protect it as the right of all humans, as granted by God, without exercising moral judgment on the content and/or manner of exercising those religious beliefs." 4,5


"A section of People of the Book used a tactic to create doubt among the Muslims in the hope that some of them might thereby be beguiled into repudiating Islam. How could it be possible for non-Muslims to have enacted this plan to entice Muslims to believe one day and reject next, if death was the penalty for apostasy? ... The Qur’an does not rule to kill the apostates."

"Abdullah b.Ubayy b.Salul was the leader of the munafiqun (hypocrites). But Prophet (s) took no action against him. Prophet prayed for him and stayed at the grave until he was buried. Those fanatics among us must explain the reason for Prophet (s) not executing the known hypocrites like Abdullah b.Ubayy. Ubbay lived until death plotting to destroy Islam and Prophet knew it. He was not executed for apostasy. This suggests that apostasy law is not a divine law but interpolation by fanatics among us. ..."

"The Qur'an states:

'How shall God guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the apostle was true and that clear signs had come unto them? But God guides not a people unjust. Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of the God, of His Angels, and of all mankind;--In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty be lightened, nor respite be their lot;--except for those that repent (even) after that, make amends; For verily God is oft-forgiving, most merciful'. [3:86-89]"

"It is obvious from these verses that no punishment is to be inflicted by one man or another for apostasy. By no stretch of the imagination can the phrase, "curse of Allah," be interpreted to be a license to murder anyone who he considers to be an apostate. If any such commandment was prescribed it would have been clearly defined as all other punishments are in the Holy Qur'an." 6"




 
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@EgyptianAmerican

Dude, you need to relax and accept criticism. :lol:

Islam and the Muslim world need reform that is long overdue. Voices like yours, however, prolong the current crisis in Islam. You don't follow what you preach, you don't want change for the better, you don't want to address the negative aspects of Islam, you want to tarnish peoples reputation for suggesting there is a problem, no wonder there is no reform being done at all, and no wonder the Muslim world is struggling. People with your mindset are prolonging the suffering of many Muslims. If that's how you wanna remain, then so be it.

But quit crying and insulting people who think otherwise, you're easily irritated. :rofl:

I'm not a little kid that will get into a troll war you're seeking, go find it somewhere else. I'm just going to put you on ignore if you quote me with something childish again. :D
 
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@EgyptianAmerican

Dude, you need to relax and accept criticism. :lol:

Islam and the Muslim world need reform that is long overdue. Voices like yours, however, prolong the current crisis in Islam. You don't follow what you preach, you don't want change for the better, you don't want to address the negative aspects of Islam, you want to tarnish peoples reputation for suggesting there is a problem, no wonder there is no reform being done at all, and no wonder the Muslim world is struggling. People with your mindset are prolonging the suffering of many Muslims. If that's how you wanna remain, then so be it.

But quit crying and insulting people who think otherwise, you're easily irritated. :rofl:

I'm not a little kid that will get into a troll war you're seeking, go find it somewhere else. I'm just going to put you on ignore if you quote me with something childish again. :D

People will and have changed better or for worse. Islam cannot change for it will not be such! If Belief here is for Hereafter then change will matter to one's Hereafter.
 
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Islam and the Muslim world need reform that is long overdue. Voices like yours, however, prolong the current crisis in Islam. You don't follow what you preach, you don't want change for the better, you don't want to address the negative aspects of Islam, you want to tarnish peoples reputation for suggesting there is a problem, no wonder there is no reform being done at all, and no wonder the Muslim world is struggling. People with your mindset are prolonging the suffering of many Muslims. If that's how you wanna remain, then so be it.

Excuse me but it is you who tarnishes the Image of Islam, I am merely refuting your bull. I do follow what the Qur'an preaches, you don't.


What Negative Aspects of Islam? You know nothing of Islam so no suprise you have no clue what is in Islam.

Did I tarnish your reputation or was it you? Suggesting that Muslims don't need to Follow Islam. I am merely pointing out your idiocy.

My Mindset? The mindset of a Realist? The Mindset of an Atheist as you so wonderfully put it? The mindset of a Muslim? The Mindset of someone who appreciates Truth and Realism and not bullshit spewed by every other idiot on the internet? If people like that are holding Islam back then who are pushing it forward? The idiots who know nothing of Islam? "Modern" Muslims?

Excuse me if I actually study and follow my Religion. Sorry if I feel like if my Religion is Rational and Logical and does not remove Personal Freedoms. Perhaps you need some window wipers for your brain and or eyes.

Sorry if I actually follow my Religion since apparently I am holding it back from something it doesn't need.

That's like getting a brain and heart transplant when they aren't even needed.

But quit crying and insulting people who think otherwise, you're easily irritated.

At what point am I crying?


God does not owe you anything, leave Islam if you want. No one is going to stop you.He does not speed up the end times because some idiot complains and wants a reason to continue being Muslim.

Take my Suggestion either become a Reformist Muslim and change the Quran and make a New sect, No one is going to stop you. Or just Leave Islam, Nobody cares and nobody has time to deal with your complaints and bull.

Nowhere as you can see. I am stating facts, got a problem either become a Reformist or Leave. Pick one, otherwise stop complaining because it does absolutely nothing except make YOU look like a cry-baby.

I'm not a little kid that will get into a troll war you're seeking, go find it somewhere else. I'm just going to put you on ignore if you quote me with something childish again. :D

What Troll War? I have done no trolling merely Refuting more and more of your bull.

You are going to put me on ignore because you know I am right and you are wrong. To you Islam is a punching bag just something you can blame all your and the Muslim worlds troubles. Here is your wake up call,

Islam is neither the Solution or the Problem, that is a fact CASE CLOSED.


The problems of the Muslim world are a lot more numerous and dangerous and none of them are Islam.

I am done, Don't like the truth being shown to you then put me on Ignore because the Truth hurts doesn't it?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH CAN YOU?!!!!




Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!
 
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