Saudi Arabia's Treasure

[Sargon of Akkad]

Your society like Afghanistan not even close to the Chinese society

What is that supposed to mean? Have you ever visited KSA or spoken to any Saudi Arabian? I doubt this.

Also traditional Arab and Chinese culture has many similarities and values. More than both have in common with the West.

Besides you could not be more wrong. Saudi Arabians are one of the most educated people in the entire Muslim world, most wealthy and cosmopolitan (along with the GCC) and since you have become an atheist, atheism in KSA (apparently, at least according to many surveys) is greater than in most places in the Muslim world. So if you use that as a benchmark, KSA is ahead of many Muslim countries supposedly. Of course such an measurement is worth nothing unless you believe that Islam equals evil and backwardness.

In fact Afghanistan resembles current-day Iraq much more for reasons that are obvious for everyone.

Besides @alarabi did not compare China with any Arab or Muslim society for that matter but solely used it as an example of a well-functioning (overall) non-democratic state. A state that outperforms the "democratic" Indian Republic.

So it is clear that democracy is not the only solution or answer.

Anyway most legislatures in the Arab world are a mixture of different influences. Local, religious and Western. Not to say badly/unfairly/ineffectively applied. Nobody says that you should follow 1 system blindly anyway. You can take the good and leave the bad as long as it is not contradictory.

Anyway having followed many of the Shia Lebanese and Iraqi scholars for many years, I am not the least surprised that you turned away from God.

I do not understand how you went from being a hardcore Wilayat al-Faqih supporter to an anti-Muslim? I do not understand people who go from such extremes overnight. Such people are usually dangerous. People with such weak convictions are typically easily manipulated by others. Look no further than a large number (if not the majority) of ISIS members.

Have you ever studied Islam on your own away from current-day events and certain clerical influences?

Anyway there is hope for you.

 

[SALMAN F]

What is that supposed to mean? Have you ever visited KSA or spoken to any Saudi Arabian? I doubt this.

Also traditional Arab and Chinese culture has many similarities and values. More than both have in common with the West.

Besides you could not be more wrong. Saudi Arabians are one of the most educated people in the entire Muslim world, most wealthy and cosmopolitan (along with the GCC) and since you have become an atheist, atheism in KSA (apparently, at least according to many surveys) is greater than in most places in the Muslim world. So if you use that as a benchmark, KSA is ahead of many Muslim countries supposedly. Of course such an measurement is worth nothing unless you believe that Islam equals evil and backwardness.

In fact Afghanistan resembles current-day Iraq much more for reasons that are obvious for everyone.

Besides @alarabi did not compare China with any Arab or Muslim society for that matter but solely used it as an example of a well-functioning (overall) non-democratic state. A state that outperforms the "democratic" Indian Republic.

So it is clear that democracy is not the only solution or answer.

Anyway most legislatures in the Arab world are a mixture of different influences. Local, religious and Western. Not to say badly/unfairly/ineffectively applied. Nobody says that you should follow 1 system blindly anyway. You can take the good and leave the bad as long as it is not contradictory.

Anyway having followed many of the Shia Lebanese and Iraqi scholars for many years, I am not the least surprised that you turned away from God.

I do not understand how you went from being a hardcore Wilayat al-Faqih supporter to an anti-Muslim? I do not understand people who go from such extremes overnight. Such people are usually dangerous. People with such weak convictions are typically easily manipulated by others. Look no further than a large number (if not the majority) of ISIS members.

Have you ever studied Islam on your own away from current-day events and certain clerical influences?

Anyway there is hope for you.

Who said I turned away from god??

Leaving islam have nothing to do with god since there is not proof this religion is from god

 

[Zarvan]

The fate of the Arab world is easily predictable, the current direction will persist, at the consistent pace it is at, with the future implications being ignored. The foresight is there, but the will for change is absent. Probably due to the fact centuries of religious indoctrination has taken a heavy toll on the ability of the Arab world to adapt to changing realities, leaving them far behind, and rushing to set matters straight, like one cramming his studies one night before his exam. Yes, the will to adopt secular lifestyle is there, but the window for development has closed. Policies can only influence so much at this point, and hence Muslims withdrew back to their comfort zone.

Even with certain nations in the Muslim world implementing secular lifestyle and policies, the urge to influence Muslims has more value. As we see by Iran and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia may still be accustomed to cultural traditions, this does not change the fact that the people want to live and embrace the modern world and it's free lifestyle. In Iran, there is strong attachment to national identity, and most people live like their neighbors. Both nations, however, do their utmost best to exert religious authority over Islam's two largest denominations. There is no need to go into detail regarding these efforts and processes.

We do have to address the outcome, to put it shortly, Muslims of different backgrounds have become victims of this power struggle, as they have become enslaved to what they see as a cultural and religious obligations, when in reality, they are no more than slaves and cannon fodder for this ethnic/nationalist tug of war, which is taking form of a religious struggle, when it isn't. But, rather struggle to achieve influence over a large group of people. And the damage done is immense and irreversible.

This is why the decisive hour is approaching. And why the world and it's people want to accelerate the process of Saudi Arabia's collapse. The Arab world will collapse, sadly, and the world wants to get over with it sooner than later. Because of a valuable treasure originating from Saudi Arabia, that treasure being Islam. That treasure that yields enormous influence on the fate of whole communities, especially in comparison to it's sisterly religions. And therefore, Islam is going to be put to the test soon, whether that is a year, few years, or decades away from now, it is something that has to happen for the sake of the world.

Saudi Arabian's will soon become a victim to coincidence, and have no choice but to accept it, like others have in the past. This upcoming reality, will determine the fate of Islam, whether it is indeed a true faith that holds such influence for a real and great reason, or that is is a man-made religion that will fade away quickly, igniting a mass Muslim defection from Islam, and a secular transition across the Muslim world.

And whether you believe in God or not, the saying 'you may hate something that is good for you', needs to be applied here. This 'decisive hour' is very important for the future of the world, and the future of the world relies on it, and hence why I believe decision makers are aware of this, and are preparing for it. And why I also wish to witness this, as my quest for the truth has tired me and I no longer have much in me to keep clinging on to it.

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PS: This is my opinion/perspective, and not meant to criticize Islam or make religious discussion of any sort. I am Muslim, a curious one, that is stuck between reality and faith. And needs to choose one or the other soon, as we are in an age of precision, with two extremes(misguidance and faith) and (guidance ridden of faith).

So I hope mods approve this topic, and members receive it well.

Islam always has and always will pass the tests. In fact Muslims were not very practicising in last century but now tide is changing and Muslins are getting close to Islam again. The last century was the lowest point which we could have reached but not any more. The tide is turning back in favor of Islam and will be great.

 

[الأعرابي]

Who said I turned away from god??

Leaving islam have nothing to do with god since there is not proof this religion is from god

Lol so you no longer a Shiite?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

problem is greater israel. i read a hadith which pointed to the collapse of saudi arabia. the hadith had mentioned that the growth of jeruselum will mean destruction of yathrub(madina).

 

[Mamluk]

Leaving islam have nothing to do with god since there is not proof this religion is from god

Ok, ok we understand you hate Islam, all cool people do it lol.. but you don't have to keep repeating the same thing in every other post.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Lol so you no longer a Shiite?

Arab-Iranian douchbagery has nothing to do with religion or sect.. rather politics and probably race.

 

[SOHEIL]

Arab world was a leading (the absolute forerunner for much of the time in fact) economic, cultural, religious, military, scientific etc. region for millennia spanning both pre-Islamic and Islamic times

LOL

 

[beast89]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lazy-saudis-are-on-brink-of-bankruptcy-92jdvggln

and they are comparing themselves to the chinese now on here

 

[shhh]

Turkey wants no such thing. We are happy as we are.But, good luck to the rest of you guys.

I meant to try it out in Pakistan.
Democracy is not our solution. Democracy is not for uneducated, illiterate, immature public.

 

[Attila the Hun]

I meant to try it out in Pakistan.
Democracy is not our solution. Democracy is not for uneducated, illiterate, immature public.

I agree with your point about democracy,

 

[SALMAN F]

Lol so you no longer a Shiite?

Yes I left for good

 

[SALMAN F]

Ok, ok we understand you hate Islam, all cool people do it lol.. but you don't have to keep repeating the same thing in every other post.

I didn't repeat anything

The questions why you muslims fear that and ex muslim speak out about why he/she left islam since you claim that you have the truth??

I see that you are trying to shut any ex muslim mouth you fear us more than you fear a Christian who speak about islam

I didn't mention religion until @Sargon of Akkad brought it

 

[Falcon29]

@Sargon of Akkad

Hey, I didn't intend for thread to be religious discussion or about 'nation building', system of governance debate. It spiraled into that because that guys post. My post was emphasizing that unexpected events in Saudi Arabia will likely have big impact on the world, because of influence of Islam, which is home to Saudi Arabia, hence why I'm pointing it out. And no doubt would have an affect on rest of Muslim majority nations. So it's about recognizing the importance of the 'treasure' which Saudi Arabia holds, and if put to test, would yield something interesting and drastic that would mark a very crucial time in history. Many people are anticipating if Islam will evolve in similar manner as Christianity did in the past, but some are not so sure how it would play through, hence it's intriguing and we can only speculate.

 

[Mamluk]

The questions why you muslims fear that and ex muslim speak out about why he/she left islam since you claim that you have the truth??

I see that you are trying to shut any ex muslim mouth you fear us more than you fear a Christian who speak about islam

Lol, I don't fear what an ex Muslim has to say. You're being paranoid.

It's just that it's annoying to see people boast about being ex Muslim/Christian/whatever in every post. Just telling ya it's weird.