Sajjad Lone, Former Separatist With Pakistani Wife, Wins in Kashmir

[Wolfhound]

All of those who think that kashmir in the indian fold are wrong.The kashmiri people still want freedom from india,the only reason they participated in these 'elections' is because they are looking at other ways of achieving it

 

[Bang Galore]

The fact that turnout was over 70% negates any question on the credibility of those elected to represent the people. Now if the Hurriyat claims that it represents the "silent majority" or whatever, they will be met with derisive laughter. Their boycott call was ignored and the people representing the constituencies are the only real claimants to be the people's choice.

 

[That Guy]

He is not just some random stone throwing 'separatist' like you make him sound, either! He was a prominent 'Separatist Leader' -- his father was also a Separatist leader.

This time though, he participated in a democratic process and won! Think about that for a while and imagine the kind of message he is sending out to other Separatist leaders and stone-throwing separatists on the street!

If you have examples of a former federalist who turned a "separatist leader", we can talk about it.

The message it throws around is that he still has influence, nothing more.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

The message it throws around is that he still has influence, nothing more.

Got it, you choose to live in delusions. Thanks.

 

[That Guy]

Got it, you choose to live in delusions. Thanks.

No, I'm being a realist. Unless you can prove your claim, which you haven't and probably can't, my opinion is valid. Simply calling me delusional doesn't prove you right, it makes you look like an ***.

 

[ito]

No, I'm being a realist. Unless you can prove your claim, which you haven't and probably can't, my opinion is valid. Simply calling me delusional doesn't prove you right, it makes you look like an ***.

You have posted so many messages is this thread...but not clear what you want to say? What is your point?

 

[That Guy]

You have posted so many messages is this thread...but not clear what you want to say? What is your point?

Read through my posts if you don't understand. They aren't a lot, maybe a dozen or so small only. My point is that these elections won't really change anything, despite what some member on here feel.

 

[ito]

Read through my posts if you don't understand. They aren't a lot, maybe a dozen or so small only. My point is that these elections won't really change anything, despite what some member on here feel.

How can you say that? on the other hand Indians can say that 70% voted, and they have numbers to say that this election settled once for all the assertion that most pakistanis ask: kashmiris don't want to be part indian democracy.

 

[That Guy]

How can you say that? on the other hand Indians can say that 70% voted, and they have numbers to say that this election settled once for all the assertion that most pakistanis ask: kashmiris don't want to be part indian democracy.

Because it isn't the first time a high voter turn out occurred in IoK, and it certainly won't be the last. It didn't change anything in the past, and it won't change anything now. If I recall, the voter turn out was 75% in the 60s, and 60% during the height of the insurgency, so yeah, nothing will change.

 

[jarves]

This is no check mate, it's called being politically expedient. If tomorrow you removed the 750 000 troops from Kashmir, we would know that Kashmiris would free themselves from the Indian yoke, there are no two ways about that.

Hi,first of all can you provide the source for 750000 claim you have made??.Even if we go by your flawed logic we can fairly conclude that whole of Western part of Pakistan wants to seperate given the fact that Pakistani army has to use F-16 and artilleries,lmao

 

[Black Widow]

Pakistani Keep crying... Soon Safron Flag is flying in J&K...

BJP is making govt... Pakistani are jealous... Keep burning Pakistanis...

Pakistani Keep crying... Soon Safron Flag is flying in J&K...

BJP is making govt... Pakistani are jealous... Keep burning Pakistanis...

 

[zip]

Read through my posts if you don't understand. They aren't a lot, maybe a dozen or so small only. My point is that these elections won't really change anything, despite what some member on here feel.

Thats very wrong statement ..This election has overturned the perception that seperatist leaders are representatives of valley people ..After their boycott call,terrorist threats voter turn out is very healthy ..People voted their representatives and now whenever kashmir talks will be held seperatists are logically and officially sidelined ..Which is in line with gov of Indias stand on kashmir ..

 

[ito]

Because it isn't the first time a high voter turn out occurred in IoK, and it certainly won't be the last. It didn't change anything in the past, and it won't change anything now. If I recall, the voter turn out was 75% in the 60s, and 60% during the height of the insurgency, so yeah, nothing will change.

You answered your own questions. So you are essentially saying Kashmiries have reposed faith in Indian democracy by participating one after another elections. So the equation between India and Kashmiris is settled. The only that that has not changed is Pakistanis delusion that Kashmir will one day become part of Pakistan.

 

[That Guy]

Thats very wrong statement ..This election has overturned the perception that seperatist leaders are representatives of valley people ..After their boycott call,terrorist threats voter turn out is very healthy ..People voted their representatives and now whenever kashmir talks will be held seperatists are logically and officially sidelined ..Which is in line with gov of Indias stand on kashmir ..

I've already explained my view, I wont have this conversation again. Go through my previous posts for details.

You answered your own questions. So you are essentially saying Kashmiries have reposed faith in Indian democracy by participating one after another elections. So the equation between India and Kashmiris is settled. The only that that has not changed is Pakistanis delusion that Kashmir will one day become part of Pakistan.

Un, no. I have no idea where you got that from. There was recently a great article on the Hindu, that explained this better than I ever could. Basically, the fact that despite the strong turn out, separatism still remains the ultimate goal. Don't take this vote as some sort of acceptance, because the past has shown it realm isn't.

 

[ito]

I've already explained my view, I wont have this conversation again. Go through my previous posts for details.


Un, no. I have no idea where you got that from. There was recently a great article on the Hindu, that explained this better than I ever could. Basically, the fact that despite the strong turn out, separatism still remains the ultimate goal. Don't take this vote as some sort of acceptance, because the past has shown it realm isn't.

BJP is a party that is against article 370 and total integration of J&K into indian union, and if it has got the largest vote share in J&K that tells a different picture. As on Hindu, it is just a newspaper, people like you and me write their opinion in newspapers. You cannot equate a popular mandate with some article published in some newspaper.