SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[danger007]

A2A refuelling takes care of that. And yes, it can attack the Migs and do Naval strike.

What is not guaranteed is its return after that mission.

first of all are there any plan to Induct JF-17 into PN ,if yes then how many jets going to be Inducted... if No, will PAF allow PN to use it's jets for other roles???

 

[SQ8]

first of all are there any plan to Induct JF-17 into PN ,if yes then how many jets going to be Inducted... if No, will PAF allow PN to use it's jets for other roles???

The PN will not operate fast jets but its budget may be cannibalized to get a JF-17 squadron going for the PAF at Karachi which will be dedicated to providing support for the PN.

 

[CHI RULES]

no one can forecast future with surety many developments in case of PAF and PN are due.

 

[Mrc]

1 noob question-
How can fc31 maintain stealth with 2 smoky engines?-

Stealth does not mean invisible...it means invisible to radar...

You might be able to physically see the aircraft...but as long as it is invisible to radar... it will be qualified as stealth....and radar cannot see smoke

 

[MastanKhan]

1 noob question-
How can fc31 maintain stealth with 2 smoky engines?-

Hi,

That smokey engine was a diversion a confusion---most people did not notice that the smoke was coming from one engine and the other was running clear----.

You cannot see smoke from 50 or a 100 miles and neither can your radar.

 

[CHI RULES]

A2A refueling takes care of that. And yes, it can attack the Migs and do Naval strike.

What is not guaranteed is its return after that mission.

in defensive role yes it can perform limited naval strikes but can't perform deep penetration missions further maximum range of anti ship missiles PN using is from 120 KM to 280 KM (C803) of which platform not clear whether installed on frigates or Mirages. I think Pak should launch new Naval Missiles with longer ranges i.e from 500 KM to 1500 KM at least with the help of China then we shall have real chance of attacking our enemy in their own naval limits with minimal damage.

So PN should fit existing Missiles to expected JF17s at most we may arm them with RAAD cruise missile if useful for naval role with 350 KM+ range. Meanwhile navalised Babar cruise Missile with range from 1000 to 1200+ KM should fitted with any new Naval deep strike platform like J11B or J16 .

 

[MastanKhan]

in defensive role yes it can perform limited naval strikes but can't perform deep penetration missions further maximum range of anti ship missiles PN using is from 120 KM to 280 KM (C803) of which platform not clear whether installed on frigates or Mirages. I think Pak should launch new Naval Missiles with longer ranges i.e from 500 KM to 1500 KM at least with the help of China then we shall have real chance of attacking our enemy in their own naval limits with minimal damage.

So PN should fit existing Missiles to expected JF17s at most we may arm them with RAAD cruise missile if useful for naval role with 350 KM+ range. Meanwhile navalised Babar cruise Missile with range from 1000 to 1200+ KM should fitted with any new Naval deep strike platform like J11B or J16 .

Hi,

These long range missiles that you are talking about----they are for fixed targets---like shipyards or at dock ships----. Anti ship missiles are those that you can launch at ships at sea. The newest one available for JF 17 would be around 150 to 200 miles---I am not sure.

 

[CHI RULES]

PN should fit existing Missiles to expected JF17s at most we may arm them with RAAD cruise missile if useful for naval role with 350 KM+ range. Meanwhile navalised Babar cruise Missile with range from 1000 to 1200+ KM should fitted with any new Naval deep strike platform like J11B or J16 .

Hi,

These long range missiles that you are talking about----they are for fixed targets---like shipyards or at dock ships----. Anti ship missiles are those that you can launch at ships at sea. The newest one available for JF 17 would be around 150 to 200 miles---I am not sure.[/QUOTE

Sir,
Brahmos current range is 500KM,DF21 D range 1450KM, HY4 China range 300 to 500KM,. Pak already has RAAD cruise Missile with Rnage of 350+km for slow moving or static Naval targets. Against strong future air defenses i.e Barak SAM Pak require long range ASHMs to attack Air craft Carrier and destroyers in the docks of enemy.
(further most of above given missiles are not for static targets only)

Sir,
Brahmos current range is 500KM,DF21 D range 1450KM, HY4 China range 300 to 500KM,. Pak already has RAAD cruise Missile with Rnage of 350+km for slow moving or static Naval targets. Against strong future air defenses i.e Barak SAM Pak require long range ASHMs to attack Air craft Carrier and destroyers in the docks of enemy.
(further most of above given missiles are not for static targets only)

 

[Mrc]

Best solution is to adopt and build on df21 d technology..
With virtually no countermeasures against such a missile and a range that can be extended; it can keep any navy away from our shores...

 

[CHI RULES]

Pls clarify whether DF21 can hit moving naval targets or not ?

 

[Mrc]

It can hit a moving naval target...

Gen colin powell addressing a senate standing committee said that this missile does not change rules of the game... it changes the whole game all together

 

[Pindi Boy]

The aircraft is in testing phase, and everyone are talking of buying J31 and comparing it with F35 . I mean guys, the aircraft doesnt have the 5th gen engine, which the F22 and F35 has, along with the combination of electronics in both birds..
The Russians are working on the 5th gen engine to be outfitted on Pakfa , and thats why it takes some time.. And I guess, until such time Russians dont succeed in it, the Chinese would be forced to use 4th gen engine on its 5th gen fighters. (If you know what I mean )
J31 is a good platform, its going to be a decent 5th gen fighter. But comparing with F35 is a joke (for now)

Buddy please just grow up and stop looking america as ur #Dada g IT is proven that F 35 is just crap Even beaten by F 16

 

[araz]

Buddy please just grow up and stop looking america as ur #Dada g IT is proven that F 35 is just crap Even beaten by F 16

That is an unfair remark. it is not reflective of the situation at hand. F35 maybe having problems but these are the problems encountered when you induct cutting edge technology. These problems will be solved and the f35 will become a feared adversary for any air arm. Let us all be realistic and accept the situation for what it is. You dont have nations lining up to procure an aircraft if it does not perform to its remit. The turn arounds have had more to do with the cost over runs and timing of induction.
Araz

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Buddy please just grow up and stop looking america as ur #Dada g IT is proven that F 35 is just crap Even beaten by F 16

Its we who should grow up. Anyone with a good defence knowledge will know USA is a world beater in all technologies "till now". We should dream to match them. Such is the reality now.

 

[MastanKhan]

Buddy please just grow up and stop looking america as ur #Dada g IT is proven that F 35 is just crap Even beaten by F 16

Sir,

This forum is read worldwide---. There are so many professionals over here so please avail this opportunity and listen and learn----and please don't comment on things that you don't know and don't understand about.

It is not good to look ignorant.

F35 is not designed to get into a dog fight with an F16----.

Just remember---whatever negative you hear about an American product---it is a smoke screen.