S Korean molested on bus in india Mar 26, 2013

[Cloakedvessel]

I have no idea why one of my previous posts was removed. I was exceptionally nuanced in an otherwise mostly obnoxious thread.

oh you even wrote in bold text. you are getting angry lol

i outright refuse to believe any such problems exist in my society? please show us where i refused to believe any such things? rather even discussed it?.

based on personal experience, and there is a lot of indians here so it not like a study done on 4 or 5 people. i have worked with many more indians. do you know how statistics are done? research etc? they take a number of people and they do tests on them and they find out how effective the research is on those subject. so if 7 out of 10 subjects showed improvement, then that would indicate that the research is 70% effective in whatever area. i have met many indians, and from ALL of those i met, i would say majority of indian men are like they are still teenagers in puberty and find it hard to control their desires. in saying that, there was quite a number of indian men who went to see prostitutes every week, would scam student visa from the government etc. would always hit on most women etc, but they would not take it as far as a lot of others might. but the sexual desire of a teenager in puberty is still there..

i did not base hatred on a particular people or generalise anyone? i said there is many decent good indian people out there. i am just showing based on current events, my personal experience and the experience of others who told me about it, and also because the same consensus has been reached in many other countries too, not just australia. that this profound emotion and sexual desire etc is very prevalent in indian people and a lot of it comes down to how they are raised, and what they get from their society. this is a problem.

I thought you guys had some problems with Lebanese folks? What you describe isn't the general perception people have of Indian immigrants. I can think of no noteworthy trouble they cause in Germany. Dutch people often speak with praise about their travels in India when the subject of holiday destinies comes up, although they do criticize the country for its lack of hygiene. If you believe the statistics from the US, they are one of the most successful immigrant groups. The same is true to a certain extent for the ones in Great Britain. Maybe you guys just had the bad luck of importing a greater load of Indian freebooters and free riders?

well, if the australian is media is jumping on this, and as you say you can "feel the anger" , well your perception of it anyway. what is wrong with that?

"You" as in general. One as an neutral observer can feel still feel the anger, that filters through the text.

There is nothing wrong with, I was supplementing and illustrating your narrative with a recent example, that I came across.

 

[jbond197]

the issue does not come down to law per say, it is about society, how people are brought up, how they are taught or learn to perceive the world around them,right from wrong, caring or non caring etc.

Wow, crimes/murders/rapes on the Aussie land has nothing to do with Law and their society but its all about people involved. No mater how hard you try it is the same issue with Australian society as it is elsewhere. You can come back again with the same argument when you got no Australian involved in rapes etc to prove how well you have been brought up and how civil you are!!

 

[amidamaru]

ok, I agree..



No one is escaping. Don't tell like a mind reader what other's attitude is about certain issues. How many years have you spent in India to make that kind of perception or is it just based on the media reports you come across in Aussie.. Give us a break, Indians protested against such incidents never saw that happening in Australia even when Judge let go the criminals claiming the girl invited them over. Tells a lot about Indian's attitude and Australian attitude.

really? someone brought up a case from last year, jill maegher who was raped and murdered. i will use this as reference, you talk about protesting? did you know that thousands upon thousands of people had a march for jill in brunswick main street and held a vigil for her? this happened in a few areas also.

If you are civilized then show us the examples how you are better. Looking at the number of rape crimes in Australia I came across, I did't see any sign of civility what so ever.. Well if you have lots of work and you are miles ahead of others including India then fix the Law order situation in your country. Stop the killings of students who joined your universities in the hopes of bright future..

the law and order situation would not be as bad without criminal indian elements, among other peoples coming here with their crappy way of life. they come here to a country where everything is clean, medical is top notch, you get paid even if you don't work. but this is not good enough for them, well not enough to make them change their lives. they just continue on from where they left off back home.

stop the killings of indian students? lol as i said before some of those attacks india media used etc were in fact proven to be committed by other indians!!.. i can tell you now, there is more attacks BY indians then there is attacks against indians lol

 

[illusion8]

i disagree, the general attitude of our civilizations are different. we do not think the same, we do not have the same culture, tradition, ideology etc we are not the same people.. you would say other subcontinental countries are different, but they are more similar to indians then we are.

the way indian society is, is what ours was a hundred or so years ago.

india has moved forward, but so have we.

Women are more empowered in Western countries but has that stopped them from being molested or raped, in US if I am not wrong 1 out of 3 women have been either raped or molested by the time they are 18 years of age...below are figures from Australia

In 2005, there were an estimated 44,100 persons aged 18 years and over who were victims of at least one sexual assault in the 12 months prior to the survey; a victimisation prevalence rate of 0.3%. Approximately 72,000 incidents of sexual assault were experienced by these victims. For information specific to the quality and extent of sexual assault data collected in 2005

100,000 (1.5%) experienced an incident of sexual assault in the 12 months prior to the study.
99% of the perpetrators of sexual violence incidents experienced in the 12 months prior to the survey were men.
Women in the 18-24 year age bracket were more likely to be assaulted than women in other age-groups: 19% of women aged 18-24 had experienced sexual violence in the past 12 months, compared with 6.8% of women aged 35-44 and 1.2% of women aged 55 and over.
Only 15% of women who identified an incident of sexual assault in the 12 months prior to the survey reported to police.
An estimated 1.2 million women in Australia aged 18 and over had experienced sexual violence or its threat since the age of 15. More specifically, one in six adult women in Australia had experienced sexual assault since the age of 15 years.
45% of women sexually assaulted since the age of 15 had experienced more than one incident.
Sexual assaults occurring since the age of 15 were most commonly committed by a man known to the victim, and usually occurred in a home.
1 in 10 women who had ever been in a relationship disclosed an incident of sexual violence by an intimate partner.
Statistical Information - Australian Centre for the Study of Sexual Assault

I am not defending what's happening in India - but on an average we are what 20-25 times your population but the incidents are less frequent here than in so called developed countries - you may argue that people may not report the incidents - but that is true in your case as well 80% do not report because the perpetrator is usually a close acquaintance.

Our silver lining is that such incidents are gaining media and people's attention and there is huge pressure to protect them women.

and, no society is different however close or open it is when it comes to violence against women.

 

[notsuperstitious]

seriously! our media is so f1lthy! .. is this really news worthy? The more they try to milk such trivial events, the more desensitized people will become to such news.

Jayron, this is the second time recently you have made a very very valid point on the conduct of media and the possible repercussions. Cudos.

But do not worry, the pakistani who post this stuff with their fantasy twists will NOT get desensitised to these things. For them learning is a life long process and learning by rote a cultural tradition.

the law and order situation would not be as bad without criminal indian elements, among other peoples coming here with their crappy way of life. they come here to a country where everything is clean, medical is top notch, you get paid even if you don't work. but this is not good enough for them, well not enough to make them change their lives. they just continue on from where they left off back home.

stop the killings of indian students? lol as i said before some of those attacks india media used etc were in fact proven to be committed by other indians!!.. i can tell you now, there is more attacks BY indians then there is attacks against indians lol

If true thats just sad and Australia need to look at their policies in light of their ability to attract.

US of A has a model indian immigrant minority, because US of A was able to attract the right kind of people. Surely you guys know that india is a poor country with lots of low quality manpower??? There is no point attracting the wrong kind.

 

[amidamaru]

Wow, crimes/murders/rapes on the Aussie land has nothing to do with Law and their society but its all about people involved. No mater how hard you try it is the same issue with Australian society as it is elsewhere. You can come back again with the same argument when you got no Australian involved in rapes etc to prove how well you have been brought up and how civil you are!!

obviously you are clueless in regards to this.

i very much think the core of all these issues regardless where they are is based around peoples upbringing, and society... these acts are are mostly superficial actions, meaning they arise from surface issues, morals, principles, caring, hatred, sadness, torment etc. people are not born to do these thing, they are learned and acted upon.

i think it is well known that india has a much larger problem in regards to this and it is more widespread amongst their society.

but i suppose if i said that australians were cleaner then indians and our cities and towns were much much cleaner then indian cities or towns, you would try to argue the point there too and say no no no india is just as clean as australia???

that would be very funny if you did

 

[jbond197]

the law and order situation would not be as bad without criminal indian elements, among other peoples coming here with their crappy way of life. they come here to a country where everything is clean, medical is top notch, you get paid even if you don't work. but this is not good enough for them, well not enough to make them change their lives. they just continue on from where they left off back home.

Can you give us the statistics on the crimes committed by criminal Indians in Australia?
Here is the crime stats for Indigenous Australians

Indigenous Australians and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stop the killings of indian students? lol as i said before some of those attacks india media used etc were in fact proven to be committed by other indians!!.. i can tell you now, there is more attacks BY indians then there is attacks against indians lol

Killings happened in Australia and were mainly as far as I know done by Lebanese and by Australians too. So you are telling me your law enforcement agencies are so in capable that they can not take care of crimes in your country. Sigh!! and then some one was talking about being better society

obviously you are clueless in regards to this.

i very much think the core of all these issues regardless where they are is based around peoples upbringing, and society... these acts are are mostly superficial actions, meaning they arise from surface issues, morals, principles, caring, hatred, sadness, torment etc. people are not born to do these thing, they are learned and acted upon.

i think it is well known that india has a much larger problem in regards to this and it is more widespread amongst their society.

but i suppose if i said that australians were cleaner then indians and our cities and towns were much much cleaner then indian cities or towns, you would try to argue the point there too and say no no no india is just as clean as australia???

that would be very funny if you did

No body is talking about how clean you are or how clean your cities are. What the use of all these when you can not take care of high rates of rapes and crimes on your land..

Look at the act of clean and civil Australian

Australian man convicted for killing 3 Indian-origin siblings

 

[amidamaru]

Women are more empowered in Western countries but has that stopped them from being molested or raped, in US if I am not wrong 1 out of 3 women have been either raped or molested by the time they are 18 years of age...below are figures from Australia



I am not defending what's happening in India - but on an average we are what 20-25 times your population but the incidents are less frequent here than in so called developed countries - you may argue that people may not report the incidents - but that is true in your case as well 80% do not report because the perpetrator is usually a close acquaintance.

Our silver lining is that such incidents are gaining media and people's attention and there is huge pressure to protect them women.

and, no society is different however close or open it is when it comes to violence against women.

wow where did you get such bullshite stats from??

1 in 3 americans are raped or sexually assaults? LOL... i think you are referring to AFRICA ...

and ugh no, in australian society the vast majority of cases ARE reported because we don't have that stigma/discrimination against victims.

 

[Hellraiser007]

jeeez......! isn't this the 3rd incident against a foreigner in less than 2 weeks?

this will certainly do wonders on their tourism industry

what i didnt understand is why didnt the bus driver or any of those useless passengers on the bus do anything? They should have over-powered and thrashed the hell out of these guys and held them down in a choke-hold until police arrived

women and public transportation apparently dont mix well over there

Recently I also read a thread related to a girl molested in Pakistan

 

[illusion8]

wow where did you get such bullshite stats from??

1 in 3 americans are raped or sexually assaults? LOL... i think you are referring to AFRICA ...

and ugh no, in australian society the vast majority of cases ARE reported because we don't have that stigma/discrimination against victims.

Don't think so and read the link I provided - the women who were surveyed had that to say - they did not report the incident, 1 in 6 women in Australia are wither raped or molested or abused

An estimated 1.2 million women in Australia aged 18 and over had experienced sexual violence or its threat since the age of 15. More specifically, one in six adult women in Australia had experienced sexual assault since the age of 15 years.

the same in the US is 1 in 3.

 

[amidamaru]

Can you give us the statistics on the crimes committed by criminal Indians in Australia?
Here is the crime stats for Indigenous Australians

Indigenous Australians and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Killings happened in Australia and were mainly as far as I know done by Lebanese and by Australians too. So you are telling me your law enforcement agencies are so in capable that they can not take care of crimes in your country. Sigh!! and then some one was talking about being better society



No body is talking about how clean you are or how clean your cities are. What the use of all these when you can not take care of high rates of rapes and crimes on your land..

crime happenes in every country, you can never really put an end to it. but the fact is indians have very bad attitudes and a lot of them are rapist who can't take no for an answer. when rejected they get very nasty etc and if opportunity arises many of them act on it.

and i am using the clean reference to make a point, if i said australians are cleaner people then indians, you would be so defensive about that you would argue with me over it... you would deny indians are dirtier then australia and try to reference hey there is some aussies who are not clean.. or hey they is lebanese who are not clean.. remember your the one bringing up lebanese into this, and they are not australian lol same as indians who come here.. they are NOT australians.

fact is australian society is ahead of india society, we have more morals, we have a LOT more credibility, we don't go to other countries ripping the host country off with scams for visa, or go to other countries gang raping people etc.

show me one case, just one where australians have gone to another country and gang raped someone.. you can't but i can find many with indians doing just that.

 

[illusion8]

@amidamaru,

These stats are for the US

About Victims

44% of victims are under age 18
80% are under age 30
Learn more victim statistics

Sexual Assault Numbers

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted
There is an average of 207,754 victims (age 12 or older) of sexual assault each year
Read more sexual assault numbers

Reporting to Police

54% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police
97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail
Learn more reporting statistics

About Rapists

Approximately 2/3 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance
Learn more statistics about rapists

http://www.rainn.org/statistics

 

[jbond197]

^^^

Stop going gaga over Indians and their attitude.. You know $hit about anything and you are going on blaming Indians and cursing them for the anger in store for showing racist face of Australians!!

Australia was born out of British criminals so crime is in the blood and no matter how hard they try they can never be civil..

 

[illusion8]

crime happenes in every country, you can never really put an end to it. but the fact is indians have very bad attitudes and a lot of them are rapist who can't take no for an answer. when rejected they get very nasty etc and if opportunity arises many of them act on it.

and i am using the clean reference to make a point, if i said australians are cleaner people then indians, you would be so defensive about that you would argue with me over it... you would deny indians are dirtier then australia and try to reference hey there is some aussies who are not clean.. or hey they is lebanese who are not clean.. remember your the one bringing up lebanese into this, and they are not australian lol same as indians who come here.. they are NOT australians.

fact is australian society is ahead of india society, we have more morals, we have a LOT more credibility, we don't go to other countries ripping the host country off with scams for visa, or go to other countries gang raping people etc.

show me one case, just one where australians have gone to another country and gang raped someone.. you can't but i can find many with indians doing just that.

go home kid you are a j@ckass.

 

[amidamaru]

Don't think so and read the link I provided - the women who were surveyed had that to say - they did not report the incident, 1 in 6 women in Australia are wither raped or molested or abused

An estimated 1.2 million women in Australia aged 18 and over had experienced sexual violence or its threat since the age of 15. More specifically, one in six adult women in Australia had experienced sexual assault since the age of 15 years.

the same in the US is 1 in 3.

are you serious? you are using stats from aboriginal society and representing them as australias broader society?

nice scheming but it doesn't cut it.

aboriginal society has problems of its own which it and the government are trying to address. statistics for aboriginal society is vastly higher then australian society. and cannot even be compared to it in fact.

i would probably think aboriginal society is a closer model of indian society though, these things are very prevalent in both societies.

and the us does not have 1 in 3, you are a tool with no credibility at all.. especially after you try to pass off aboriginal society statistics as australian lmao..

australia and aboriginal community leaders are doing their best to address the problems that lie in aboriginal communites, much the same as india and i applaud both countries for that. however, both have a very very long way to go and yes what i have said ALL ALONG is that the problem lies within the society, its beliefs, how it conducts itself , lack of morals etc the list goes on.


so now you won't, but it is easy for an unbiased intelligent person to see i am not differentiating some issues that affect india and indeed australia and i have acknowledged both of these societies have a long way to go, but that they need to improve on and change their societies for the better. and you can make all the law you want and it wont change a thing until that society itself changes!!!!

australias society is miles ahead of indian and aboriginal societies..... we are not perfect either, but the facts remain india got an extremely bad reputation in this area for a good reason, and its a worldwide reputation. but hey i guess i am still wrong even though indians have proven they are the same wherever they go?

@amidamaru,

These stats are for the US



http://www.rainn.org/statistics

in any case i am NOT in america... and those stats don't add upto 1 in 3 ppl being raped lol