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S Korean molested on bus in india Mar 26, 2013

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First-off, please tell me, in a country as populated as India, how does 2 rapes, one alleged rape, and one molestation count as a rape wave?

When a number of embassies start issuing warnings to their citizens to be aware that it is an issue, then you know it's an issue. When thousands of Indians march out on the streets demanding reform for rape laws, then you know it's an issue. When a number of media outlets (including my local radio station) around the world start covering these stories, then you know it's an issue.

Hey, I sound like Jeff Foxworthy.
 
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When a number of embassies start issuing warnings to their citizens to be aware that it is an issue, then you know it's an issue. When thousands of Indians march out on the streets demanding reform for rape laws, then you know it's an issue. When a number of media outlets (including my local radio station) around the world start covering these stories, then you know it's an issue.

Hey, I sound like Jeff Foxworthy.

Its clearly an issue. But the guy you are responding to is defending India blindly. He is not seeing that there is a rape epidemic in India, which is clearly obvious. Rape is the new plague of India in the 21 century that other embassies are issuing warnings about.

I would urge foreign women not to travel to India.
 
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lol.....so your saying Indians are rapists because we called you racists ...that is a rather pathetic argument...


Anyone using "rape" for point scoring has their moral compass screwed up to ridiculously dangerous levels....

lol, what would be morally wrong about proving a point? it is adjective not subjective.

the fact remain, indians have come even to australia with bad attitudes, ideology, sexually deviates who treat others like object, not humans. they then say australians are racist because we don't like them? and what australians think of indians is not exclusive to australia. it is widely thought of around the world. why is that? because that is how they are?.

my moral compass is working correctly. however since your response was subjective and not adjective and the fact you have come to purely go on the offensive towards me in regards to this and try to "deflect" it upon me suggest your moral compass is ineffective right now due to being emotionally clouded.
 
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lol, what would be morally wrong about proving a point? it is adjective not subjective.

the fact remain, indians have come even to australia with bad attitudes, ideology, sexually deviates who treat others like object, not humans. they then say australians are racist because we don't like them? and what australians think of indians is not exclusive to australia. it is widely thought of around the world. why is that? because that is how they are?.

my moral compass is working correctly. however since your response was subjective and not adjective and the fact you have come to purely go on the offensive towards me in regards to this and try to "deflect" it upon me suggest your moral compass is ineffective right now due to being emotionally clouded.

riiiiighht... so you know each and every Indian in Australia to make such a generlised statement..

Its crystal clear your comment is based on hatred for a particular country men and have nothing to do with their actions ...

Am not the one making generalized hateful remarks against an entire community...you are..

Am not the one using this as a point scoring... you are

I know there are social problems in Indian society while you out right refuse to believe any such problem exists in yours.....


Ill repeat again...Your moral compass is a screwed up soo much that you fail to understand right from wrong... its obvious from your posts .. your not even trying to make sense all what your doing is hatefull banter...
 
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Its not only the Australian culture and way of life that is being polluted by indian scum, this hatchery of 1.3 billion character less perverts and sex deviates is a threat to the whole world, they should be barred from international travelling and let to rot in their ****-filled streets.

i probably would not go so far as to prevent them from travelling etc. there is many indian who are good decent people, you can't take away their rights and freedom based on others actions.. but indians do need to make changes to their society etc.

now every society has their ills, don't get me wrong.. but when something is as prevalent in a society more then profound way, that indicates a problem.
 
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riiiiighht... so you know each and every Indian in Australia to make such a generlised statement..

Its crystal clear your comment is based on hatred for a particular country men and have nothing to do with their actions ...

Am not the one making generalized hateful remarks against an entire community...you are..

Am not the one using this as a point scoring... you are

I know there are social problems in Indian society while you out right refuse to believe any such problem exists in yours.....


Ill repeat again...Your moral compass is a screwed up soo much that you fail to understand right from wrong... its obvious from your posts .. your not even trying to make sense all what your doing is hatefull banter...

oh you even wrote in bold text. you are getting angry lol

i outright refuse to believe any such problems exist in my society? please show us where i refused to believe any such things? rather even discussed it?.

based on personal experience, and there is a lot of indians here so it not like a study done on 4 or 5 people. i have worked with many more indians. do you know how statistics are done? research etc? they take a number of people and they do tests on them and they find out how effective the research is on those subject. so if 7 out of 10 subjects showed improvement, then that would indicate that the research is 70% effective in whatever area. i have met many indians, and from ALL of those i met, i would say majority of indian men are like they are still teenagers in puberty and find it hard to control their desires. in saying that, there was quite a number of indian men who went to see prostitutes every week, would scam student visa from the government etc. would always hit on most women etc, but they would not take it as far as a lot of others might. but the sexual desire of a teenager in puberty is still there..

i did not base hatred on a particular people or generalise anyone? i said there is many decent good indian people out there. i am just showing based on current events, my personal experience and the experience of others who told me about it, and also because the same consensus has been reached in many other countries too, not just australia. that this profound emotion and sexual desire etc is very prevalent in indian people and a lot of it comes down to how they are raised, and what they get from their society. this is a problem.
 
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What many do not realise here is that the sudden spur in incidents related to molestation, abuse and rapes are not because the testrone level of Indians has suddenly hit the roof.

The society and in specific the fair sex has realised that the only way to stop such shameful act is to report it. In the past a girl reporting such would have to face a lot of dicrimination within the society and hence such cases never came to light. Things are changing and seeing the situation, it is quite worse, it can only become better from now on.

This is a problem afflicting the whole sub-continent. So, to the Pakistani Posters labelling us what not, have some shame.
 
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What many do not realise here is that the sudden spur in incidents related to molestation, abuse and rapes are not because the testrone level of Indians has suddenly hit the roof.

The society and in specific the fair sex has realised that the only way to stop such shameful act is to report it. In the past a girl reporting such would have to face a lot of dicrimination within the society and hence such cases never came to light. Things are changing and seeing the situation, it is quite worse, it can only become better from now on.

This is a problem afflicting the whole sub-continent. So, to the Pakistani Posters labelling us what not, have some shame.


Pakistan ranks 3rd on list of most dangerous countries for women – The Express Tribune, while India is at the fourth position below Pakistan.

finally a decent post!!

exactly, the problems come down to indian society and their belief systems.

it is too easy for people to get away with such acts, either the victim or her family is threatened, pressured, they are too conscious of what others will think of them, discrimination etc.

india and in fact the whole region! yes including pakistan etc have a lot of work to do. they need to make changes to their societies for the better.
 
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Kind of indefensible and sad, there are perverts in every society - the positive out of this is at least the incidents are getting mass media attention and some actions being taken - many countries do not have this going for them.
 
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karma is a great thing.

while i deplore such actions i cannot help but smirk and have a laugh.

was not long ago indians making out that australians are racist, and they put up with racial abuse and discrimination in australia. and us australians have always said we are not racist, we do not hate them for their color etc. that we hate them because of how they act, how they treat out women and fellow countrymen. their crappy attitudes and scams they pull, among other reasons.

now you all can see, that our dislike for most of them did not come from racism, it come from THEIR ACTIONS, THEIR ATTITUDES etc.. i think majority of indians are sexual deviates with no desire to control their emotions, which is why even in australia they will hit on a women, and if they dont get what they want they abuse them etc. in some circumstances they just take what they want regardless.

australians racist? no
indians rapist? very much so

The subject you touch, still gets some Australians rattled. Here is a response from an Australian on the latest attacks in India. You can still feel the anger.

India’s dark secrets and hypocrisy exposed

Last Friday a Swiss woman and her male partner were viciously attacked by a gang of thugs in the Datia district of Madhya Pradesh in central India. The woman’s partner was tied to a tree and the woman gang raped.

Six men have confessed to the crime. All face the death penalty if convicted.

This appalling crime was made worse by the comments of the Home Minister of Madhya Pradesh, Umashankar Gupta who inexplicably appeared to blame the victims for the crime.

“The rape of the Swiss national is unfortunate but foreign travellers should inform the police about their movement so they can be provided with adequate protection,” he said. “They often don’t follow the state’s rules.”

Yesterday the Madhya Pradesh parliament was adjourned after lapsing into chaos with members hurling abuse at one another across the floor. Mr Gupta has ignored calls for his resignation and the government has issued gentler warnings to tourists planning to visit the state.

The crime has renewed the focus on the status of women in India after the gang rape of a young Indian woman on a bus in India’s sprawling capital, Delhi in December. The woman died from internal injuries inflicted by a metal rod during the rape.

The backlash from Indian women then caught the international spotlight, exposing India’s secret shame – its treatment of women and the epidemic levels of sexual assault.

Delhi is the epicentre of rape in India. Sexual assault occurs in the Indian capital at three times the rate in Mumbai and five times that of Kolkata.

More than 600 rapes were reported in New Delhi in 2012. So far, only three attacks have resulted in convictions.

Last week, India’s federal cabinet approved new laws aimed at strengthening the judicial responses to sexual assaults. The bill moves on to the Indian parliament for consideration.

Let’s go back three years when the Indian media was in uproar with the Indian Government pointing gnarled fingers at Australia in the wake of a handful of attacks on Indian students, most of which occurred in Melbourne.

At the time, Australians wondered if some of the more sinister claims were true. Yet, there is no evidence to suggest that the attacks on Indian students were racially motivated. Rather they fell into the category of muggings and violent assaults which are a sad but declining feature of life in Australia’s big cities.

By January 2010, India’s External Affairs Minister, S.M. Krishna urged parents not to send their children to Australia unless they were coming here to undertake specialised or hi-tech studies.

It was a shameful episode, based entirely on an Indian political beat-up, aided and abetted by an excitable Indian media. The Hindustan Times, the Times of India and The Hindu all ran a series of front page stories on the attacks. English language news channel, NDTV broadcast a report entitled ‘Racist Australia?’ A blogger with the Indian Express wrote, “Whites in Australia are strongly racist and a large number are descendants of the worst British criminals. Another wrote, “Racism is alive and kicking in Australia, a nation of ex-cons and squalid criminals.”

The net effect of the dubious outrage was the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars to Australia’s training and education industry. Australia’s immigration department reported that the number of student visa applications from India halved in 2010-11 and that the total number of student visa applications from around the world fell by 20 per cent.

The simple statistical fact is that young Indian people and young Indian women in particular would be far safer in Australia than they would be in India. It is not just the high rates of sexual assault on women but the treatment of children that are deep and dark secrets of life in India.

Last month, Human Rights Watch released Breaking the Silence – a report on the sexual abuse of children and the findings are staggering.

The report conducted its own inquiries, including thousands of interviews with children. It also cited a 2007 government sponsored inquiry where 12,500 children in 13 Indian states were interviewed. 53 per cent of the children interviewed reported they had suffered some form of sexual abuse. Only three per cent of these crimes had been reported to police.

Breaking the Silence also describes the appalling conditions found in many residential child care facilities in India. In one instance, girls were forced to have sex with strangers and were routinely sexually assaulted in perverse rituals by the son-in-law of the director of a government inspected home for orphans and other vulnerable children in Haryana state. Other children reported being tied and suspended from ceiling fans as punishment.

The report identifies systemic failures in state and community responses. Police often cajole and bully victims into dropping charges or withdrawing reports. In some instances, police detained victims in the cells for two weeks or more to pressure them to drop their claims. Others have been beaten into submission by police.

Doctors whether GPs, gynaecologists or paediatricians have had no training on how to conduct sensitive examinations on children who have reported being raped or molested. They have no idea how to provide guidance on rehabilitation or how to treat the medical and psychological needs of children in these circumstances.

In one instance, a 12-year-old girl underwent a crude medical examination after being raped:

“(The doctor) asked me to lie down on a table and remove my clothes. When she examined me she inserted a single finger inside me. It hurt and I was scared. I did not like what the doctor was doing to me. She then said something like, “Oh, it was just a small rape, it is no big deal.”

Many parents of victims decline to report sexual assaults on their children for fear of the social stigmatisation and alienation.

When victims face these types of hurdles, it is little wonder that they refuse to report sexual crimes to the authorities.

This year India’s economy will grow by nine per cent. Along with China, India is the economic powerhouse of the world. It has undergone astonishing societal changes in a brief period. India now is almost unrecognisable to the place I first visited 25 years ago. It continues to face challenges in governance that are almost beyond comprehension of Australians.

No doubt the dreadful attack on the two Swiss tourists will force many people around the world to rethink their plans. Some will decline to travel to what is an astonishingly beautiful, vibrant country due to the perceived dangers in doing so.

Rushing to judge and vilify Australians, the Indian government has applied a Himalayan standard to us and a subterranean one for itself. The standard should never vary. A society must be judged on how its most vulnerable members are treated and no amount of diversion will spare it from that judgment.

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@amidamaru -

Dude, with in a population of 1.3 billion there can be few a$$holes but good thing is such incidents are getting reported and the dickheads committing the crimes are arrested. Most Indians will seek death penalty for these perverts.

Unlike some places where judge's decides not to jail nine men guilty of raping a 10-year-old Aboriginal girl

Rape case ruling shocks Australia

Btw, India is trying to fix the issues in their society in the meanwhile you folks should look into fixing yours.. Your Karma isn't that bright either..

Sydney teen gang-raped after leaving party

Body of Irish journalist, 29, found after she was 'raped, murdered and buried in shallow grave' | Mail Online

and I don't need to tell you where Australia ranks in similar cases so stop bitching and show the similar strength that Delhites and Indians all over the country showed against the brutal gang rape of 23 year old girl in Delhi..
 
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Mr Gupta has ignored calls for his resignation and the government has issued gentler warnings to tourists planning to visit the state.

how brazen.....
 
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@amidamaru -

Dude, with in a population of 1.3 billion there can be few a$$holes but good thing is such incidents are getting reported and the dickheads committing the crimes are arrested

Unlike some places where judge's decides not to jail nine men guilty of raping a 10-year-old Aboriginal girl

Rape case ruling shocks Australia

Btw, India is trying to fix the issues in their society in the meanwhile you folks should look into fixing yours.. Your Karma isn't that bright either..

Sydney teen gang-raped after leaving party

Body of Irish journalist, 29, found after she was 'raped, murdered and buried in shallow grave' | Mail Online

and I don't need to tell you where Australia ranks in similar cases so stop bitching and show the similar strength that Delhites and Indians all over the country showed against the brutal gang rape of 23 year old girl in Delhi..

The western countries with their tiny population have more incidents of rape, molestation and sexual abuse on an average per capita - but that does not mean that we do not have a problem on our hands.
 
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