S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

[Stephen Cohen]

Yes Boss you are the expert. I better leave this thread before i get infected with stupidity

No I was NOT joking

See if a S 400 is placed 100 KM inside Indian Border ; it can Fire a Long range
Missile on An AWACS flying 100 KM Inside your Border

Now what will Happen next the AWACS will have to turn Back along with its Escorts --F 16s

That time SU 30 and Rafales will attack the Escorts and the AWACS

S 400 is a very Disruptive tool for any Air force

 

[danger007]

Thats what i was saying. My point was that SAM are used to create no fly zones over defensive areas not battle fields. Any idiot who think S400 will will crawling on border with Indian army troops needs to get head checked out.

but denying it's capabilities is kinda stupid ... S 400 bought not to shotdown jets in enemy airspace but intruders.. haven't you read someone who said 20 000 babur..

Range of different missile in S400..

400 km (40N6 missile)
250 km (48N6 missile)
120 km (9M96E2 missile)

40 km (9M96E missile).. We did bought them for defensive role .. India never intended to attack pakistan.. so the role of the system will be defensive...

 

[Pandora]

but denying it's capabilities is kinda stupid ... S 400 bought not to shotdown jets in enemy airspace but intruders.. haven't you read someone who said 20 000 babur..

Range of different missile in S400..

400 km (40N6 missile)
250 km (48N6 missile)
120 km (9M96E2 missile)

40 km (9M96E missile).. We did bought them for defensive role .. India never intended to attack pakistan.. so the role of the system will be defensive...

No one is denying the capability of the system as it is indeed the best. I was talking about wisdom of some indian friends who were suggesting to place system on border area to create no fly zone of pakistani air space.

 

[danger007]

No one is denying the capability of the system as it is indeed the best. I was talking about wisdom of some indian friends who were suggesting to place system on border area to create no fly zone of pakistani air space.

It depends on the Role IAF playing .. until unless full blown war ..

 

[khanmubashir]

So atlast we see your meanigless rambling afterall. Please check the thread title, your post is nothing but complete waste of bandwidth. And a proof of your childish comebacks.

As far as third party reference was concern, it was for RnD context. We are buying S400 with cold hard cash. We ain't dependent on soft loans, aid and alms for our defence expenditure.

And lastly the age old "We are small but still exist beside India" ideology just goes on to show your inherent inferiority complex. And why do you think we would like a terrorist infested land, when we do not pay for insect infested rice ? Buddy we do not want any of your land. We are more than happy with wat we have. We just want a very good spell of economic development. You stop messing with us and we stop messing with you. Currently you are just receiving what you planned to serve us.

well mr. our r&d is more indigenous compared to u we didnt stole India is the one who stole nuclear tech they used Canadian given civil nuclear reactors for peaceful research and used it to make weapon grade plutonium without permission from canada this is the reason why nsg was made to make sure that again civil nuclear cant be used for nuclear weapon program The plutonium used in the test was created in the CIRUS reactor supplied by Canada and using heavy water supplied by the United States. Both countries reacted negatively, especially in light of then ongoing negotiations on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the economic aid both countries had provided to India.[5][24] Canada concluded that the test violated a 1971 understanding between the two states, and froze nuclear energy assistance for the two heavy water reactors then under constructionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiling_Buddha#International_reaction if u point to AQ than remember he went there on his own our gov didn't gave any written assurance to urenco unlike u who assured canadian that u would only use their reactors given to u for civil only
as yrs BS we r not taking alms for our defense if u r talking about usa assistance then it was a payment for our cooperation in their afg war its business not charity
& for terror who nurtured tamil tigers ????Mysterious murder/suicide of previous Nepal royal family (which were against indian influence in their country)??? blockade of Nepal &bhutan over their contacts with china??

 

[Genghis khan1]

We can safely place them 100 KM inside our Border

Even then they will be able take out AWACS from inside our territory

If S-400 is close to border than its even better for PAF. All Pakistan has to do is to saturate the field by launching several dozen cheap decoys drone with F-16's rcs straight from the ground. S-400 fire control radar will go crazy. Once S-400 missiles are depleted or radar over saturated, any jet can scoop in to take out the system.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

If S-400 is close to border than its even better for PAF. All Pakistan has to do is to saturate the field by launching several dozen cheap decoys drone with F-16 or rcs straight from the ground. S-400 fire control radar will go crazy. Once S-400 missiles are depleted or radar over saturated, any jet can scoop in to take out the system.

S 400 is Very well protected System by several SAMs for protection against cruise missiles

It is not a stand alone system

 

[kṣamā]

If S-400 is close to border than its even better for PAF. All Pakistan has to do is to saturate the field by launching several dozen cheap decoys drone with F-16's rcs straight from the ground. S-400 fire control radar will go crazy. Once S-400 missiles are depleted or radar over saturated, any jet can scoop in to take out the system.

Bhai I think you still believe radar terminals are still round cathode ray monitors which illuminate the room with green hue. And a 20 something chap with a radio head set is constantly looking at it and blabbering gibberish on the coms on every single blip on the screen.

Modern day 3D Radar not only show presence of birds in the air but also query there EM signature. Apart from this multiple augmented systems come into play like one would plot a course of those birds, another would try to classify and parameterize the targets etc. One of these augmented system is a fault check module. The main objectives of this module is to identify and mitigate an EW attack. You can saturate the airspace with a million drones but the SOC brain of the radar will find the priority targets and eliminate them. Rest of the targeting information will be passed on to other air assets for their target practice.

 

[Airdef95]

Wikipedia is much better than your advice. Btw I want to know something different and new about it.
Thanks.

 

[kṣamā]

well mr. our r&d is more indigenous compared to u we didnt stole India is the one who stole nuclear tech they used Canadian given civil nuclear reactors for peaceful research and used it to make weapon grade plutonium without permission from canada this is the reason why nsg was made to make sure that again civil nuclear cant be used for nuclear weapon program The plutonium used in the test was created in the CIRUS reactor supplied by Canada and using heavy water supplied by the United States. Both countries reacted negatively, especially in light of then ongoing negotiations on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the economic aid both countries had provided to India.[5][24] Canada concluded that the test violated a 1971 understanding between the two states, and froze nuclear energy assistance for the two heavy water reactors then under constructionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiling_Buddha#International_reaction if u point to AQ than remember he went there on his own our gov didn't gave any written assurance to urenco unlike u who assured canadian that u would only use their reactors given to u for civil only
as yrs BS we r not taking alms for our defense if u r talking about usa assistance then it was a payment for our cooperation in their afg war its business not charity
& for terror who nurtured tamil tigers ????Mysterious murder/suicide of previous Nepal royal family (which were against indian influence in their country)??? blockade of Nepal &bhutan over their contacts with china??

Firstly I didn't knew this was "Post all off topic post you can" thread. And secondly isn't it cute that members of a certain country will say"Wikipedia is the worst source material " and then shamelessly quote from the same when it suits them !

And isn't it what you guys generally say "We don't care where we got our technology, unless it hurts downrange" ! Well we too have a saying, we will continue to build upon all basic technology, we don't care where it came from. Just FYI we are heading the world research in thorium. MoX fuel research is showing it's potential. In coming decade we are gone push the envelop even further.

I don't want to get banned again by bringing someone who was found by certain soldiers of certain semi aquatic marine mammals team of number greater than 5 but less than 7 in a city of more than 1.4 Million people, about 110 Km from a national capital, 130Km from a famous fast cricket bowler's home town (Honestly the fastest bowler ) and about 150Km from one of the oldest city in south east Asia, which is also famous for its delicious chicken dish.

I have invested a lot of time in discussing this topic with you. But I see that it is impossible to wake a person who peretends to be asleep. Hence I conced. You have won. You can now argue that Nasar can be launched in the general direction of S400 and the ruhani takten of the devine will guide it to destination. The defensive force will be too mesmerized by the purity, beauty and the technological marvel of Nasar and will launch all there missiles on there own air assets. After this the SAM crew will somehow manage to also launch all the nuclear warheads on there country itself. Few other will call up all the CEOs of the world and cancel all the deals they have made in there country and credit them back all there FDIs. Another group of people will shut all the industries down, kill all learned people except ofcoure whome you don't want to get killed, destroy all R&D from all departments and destroy all religious places. All this before the Nasar which you had fired in the general direction of S400, guided by ruhani takte, denotes and kills everyone and everything in one single shot.


@khanmubashir :See how irritating it is to go through so many lines of post and still find nothing on topic in it. If you still want to reply on similar lines as the para above then thanks I am not interested. But you want to discuss things on technical and logical grounds with a broad mind and ideas, I am game. Hope you copy solid.

Wikipedia is much better than your advice. Btw I want to know something different and new about it.
Thanks.

Well my friend you seem new here. Nevertheless next time you reply, pls click the reply button at the right corner of the post. This way the person you are replying to will know that you replied to him/her and other people can read your post in better context. Plus while asking questions do indicate what you have already read. Senior members (Way more senior and learned members than lesser mortals like me) will fill in the blanks. None here like to spoon feed. Hope this was helpful

PS: Forget about the last post. It was in good humor. I post from mobile device and did not see that you are new to the family. Enjoy learning. Enjoy debating.

 

[ZAC1]

S-400 is the best. Pakistan has no option.OK then they have multiple layer.OK.Babur can do no harm.
First War will start our and your conventional arm will fight.there will be heavy losses from both sides.there will be not much installations for defence will be left..then BOOM there goes your S-400 n others and rest of India.
Always think of peace.not war

S-400 is the best. Pakistan has no option.OK then they have multiple layer.OK.Babur can do no harm.
First War will start our and your conventional arm will fight.there will be heavy losses from both sides.there will be not much installations for defence will be left..then BOOM there goes your S-400 n others and rest of India.
Always think of peace.not war

 

[khanmubashir]

Firstly I didn't knew this was "Post all off topic post you can" thread. And secondly isn't it cute that members of a certain country will say"Wikipedia is the worst source material " and then shamelessly quote from the same when it suits them !

And isn't it what you guys generally say "We don't care where we got our technology, unless it hurts downrange" ! Well we too have a saying, we will continue to build upon all basic technology, we don't care where it came from. Just FYI we are heading the world research in thorium. MoX fuel research is showing it's potential. In coming decade we are gone push the envelop even further.

I don't want to get banned again by bringing someone who was found by certain soldiers of certain semi aquatic marine mammals team of number greater than 5 but less than 7 in a city of more than 1.4 Million people, about 110 Km from a national capital, 130Km from a famous fast cricket bowler's home town (Honestly the fastest bowler ) and about 150Km from one of the oldest city in south east Asia, which is also famous for its delicious chicken dish.

I have invested a lot of time in discussing this topic with you. But I see that it is impossible to wake a person who peretends to be asleep. Hence I conced. You have won. You can now argue that Nasar can be launched in the general direction of S400 and the ruhani takten of the devine will guide it to destination. The defensive force will be too mesmerized by the purity, beauty and the technological marvel of Nasar and will launch all there missiles on there own air assets. After this the SAM crew will somehow manage to also launch all the nuclear warheads on there country itself. Few other will call up all the CEOs of the world and cancel all the deals they have made in there country and credit them back all there FDIs. Another group of people will shut all the industries down, kill all learned people except ofcoure whome you don't want to get killed, destroy all R&D from all departments and destroy all religious places. All this before the Nasar which you had fired in the general direction of S400, guided by ruhani takte, denotes and kills everyone and everything in one single shot.


@khanmubashir :See how irritating it is to go through so many lines of post and still find nothing on topic in it. If you still want to reply on similar lines as the para above then thanks I am not interested. But you want to discuss things on technical and logical grounds with a broad mind and ideas, I am game. Hope you copy solid.

Well my friend you seem new here. Nevertheless next time you reply, pls click the reply button at the right corner of the post. This way the person you are replying to will know that you replied to him/her and other people can read your post in better context. Plus while asking questions do indicate what you have already read. Senior members (Way more senior and learned members than lesser mortals like me) will fill in the blanks. None here like to spoon feed. Hope this was helpful

PS: Forget about the last post. It was in good humor. I post from mobile device and did not see that you are new to the family. Enjoy learning. Enjoy debating.

u r a real lier arent u1st i didnt say most of the things above u said them 2nd we dont wanna kill u we just want to protect our selves from hindutva fanatics who carryout genocides like babri & gujrat thats why we made nukes & yr point was that s400 is impenetrable and yr forces have no vulnerability and i gave references that its not so u r the 1 who talk about death terror so i raised issues of yr country involvement in terror/manipulation ops in other nations i simply used an int website to show my point and if u disagree u can register their put yr references and edit it buts its truth u guys use western sources against us all the time when we put in facts favoring us u make excuses

 

[Genghis khan1]

S 400 is Very well protected System by several SAMs for protection against cruise missiles

It is not a stand alone system

SAMs to protect SAMs, decoys to assist decoys. Who do you think will lose the numbers game? Billion dollar SAM system or a million dollar decoy system. For every Billion dollar SAM procurement, Pakistan can deploy as much as 1000 decoy system for the same cost.

Bhai I think you still believe radar terminals are still round cathode ray monitors which illuminate the room with green hue. And a 20 something chap with a radio head set is constantly looking at it and blabbering gibberish on the coms on every single blip on the screen.

Modern day 3D Radar not only show presence of birds in the air but also query there EM signature. Apart from this multiple augmented systems come into play like one would plot a course of those birds, another would try to classify and parameterize the targets etc. One of these augmented system is a fault check module. The main objectives of this module is to identify and mitigate an EW attack. You can saturate the airspace with a million drones but the SOC brain of the radar will find the priority targets and eliminate them. Rest of the targeting information will be passed on to other air assets for their target practice.

S-400 system is unproven so far, remember these or all claims as of yet, based on Russian assessments. We will not find out until the system is challenged by a technically advanced adversary. Only time will tell, who wins. MALD, JSOW and HARM or the 3D radar and SOC brain.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

SAMs to protect SAMs, decoys to assist decoys. Who do you think will lose the numbers game? Billion dollar SAM system or a million dollar decoy system. For every Billion dollar SAM procurement, Pakistan can deploy as much as 1000 decoy system for the same cost.


S-400 system is unproven so far, remember these or all claims as of yet, based on Russian assessments. We will not find out until the system is challenged by a technically advanced adversary. Only time will tell, who wins. MALD, JSOW and HARM or the 3D radar and SOC brain.

Hint: how Turkey is encountering S400 deployed in Syria...I am pretty sure Pak folks are studying that..

If S-400 is close to border than its even better for PAF. All Pakistan has to do is to saturate the field by launching several dozen cheap decoys drone with F-16's rcs straight from the ground. S-400 fire control radar will go crazy. Once S-400 missiles are depleted or radar over saturated, any jet can scoop in to take out the system.

If you allow me to add, ASELSAN KORAL may be a cheaper choice. Strangely enough whatever Turkey produces ultimately gets into Pak hands..

Pakistan is doomed so let our Indian friends feast on their disillusion. I dont know why there is a 10 page thread on this stupidity. Even an Idiot knows S400 is a damn expensive system which will never be deployed on a battle field but rather used as a defensive weapon. India had S300 durring Kargil war so did India start blowing PAF jets out of sky?? I really hate it when couple of Idiots manage to reel in some really intelligent members of this forum.

If Turkey is OK with S400 in Syria inshallah Pak will be OK too. As par Turkish newspapers, ASELSAN KORAL EW systems are already deployed at key locations, and they are doing fine. Heard of no NO FLY zone for Turkey. Turkish F16s routinely pound PKK scums inside and outside Turkey..

 

[kṣamā]

SAMs to protect SAMs, decoys to assist decoys. Who do you think will lose the numbers game? Billion dollar SAM system or a million dollar decoy system. For every Billion dollar SAM procurement, Pakistan can deploy as much as 1000 decoy system for the same cost.


S-400 system is unproven so far, remember these or all claims as of yet, based on Russian assessments. We will not find out until the system is challenged by a technically advanced adversary. Only time will tell, who wins. MALD, JSOW and HARM or the 3D radar and SOC brain.

I do believe that S-400 is no way unbeatable. But the circumstances under wich it would be beatable will be very costly for the attacking force. Moreover any system when pushed beyond a certain threshold will fail. This is applicable for both of us.

Give the above I think people around here think highly of decoys. I think I will post a thread about this and S-400.