S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

[kṣamā]

1 last thing r u a professional defense expert means having a real defense job or just some 1 who just reads indian ultra-nationalist posts and pastes them here from his moms basement i for 1 have a real gov job

Sorry buddy cannot disclose the nature of my work as that nay get me arrested. But I can say this, after I changed my job, I really have a good view over some of the defence matters.

http://defencenews.in/article/Interceptor-missile-mission-a-‘failure’-5357


http://defencenews.in/article/No-contract-exists-on-S-400-air-defense-missile-system-deliveries-to-India-—-Kremlin-5251


http://defencenews.in/article/Indian-Army-rejects-homegrown-missile-in-blow-to-Make-in-India-4935

Yes we have failures.tell me something what we don't know. But just keep one thing in mind we are testing our offensive systems against our defensive ones. That gives us a distinct edge in understanding and improving our offensive capabilities. As far as testing these systems are concerned we have excellent literature published.

Lastly all of these things we are discussing are nothing but tools. A moron with multi million solar tool will still be a moron. But to a specialist these things are different ball game altogether. One more thing to remember is neither you are NATO nor are we Serbia. If you invest fraction of your grey cells you can definitely see the masive discrepancy in the conventional and nuclear resources both our countries are investing in. As pointed out by hundreds of posters before, the amount of research material published each year by our nations is a dead give away. And for god sakes please do not hide under any third countries umbrela while replying.

 

[GURU DUTT]

sir acc. to your super inovative thought's you want to place your super advance babur against a some mere appox. 11 batteries of s400 along with double layer defense of aad & pad which are semi operational in high terrian areas along with akash defense system ..........gooood give it a try

why bother to reply such fanboys becharre ne muhib e watani me ek addad zero/sifr/shoonya hi to barra diye hain

 

[Pandora]

Pakistan is doomed so let our Indian friends feast on their disillusion. I dont know why there is a 10 page thread on this stupidity. Even an Idiot knows S400 is a damn expensive system which will never be deployed on a battle field but rather used as a defensive weapon. India had S300 durring Kargil war so did India start blowing PAF jets out of sky?? I really hate it when couple of Idiots manage to reel in some really intelligent members of this forum.

 

[khanmubashir]

Sorry buddy cannot disclose the nature of my work as that nay get me arrested. But I can say this, after I changed my job, I really have a good view over some of the defence matters.

Yes we have failures.tell me something what we don't know. But just keep one thing in mind we are testing our offensive systems against our defensive ones. That gives us a distinct edge in understanding and improving our offensive capabilities. As far as testing these systems are concerned we have excellent literature published.

Lastly all of these things we are discussing are nothing but tools. A moron with multi million solar tool will still be a moron. But to a specialist these things are different ball game altogether. One more thing to remember is neither you are NATO nor are we Serbia. If you invest fraction of your grey cells you can definitely see the masive discrepancy in the conventional and nuclear resources both our countries are investing in. As pointed out by hundreds of posters before, the amount of research material published each year by our nations is a dead give away. And for god sakes please do not hide under any third countries umbrela while replying.

yeah i would b arrested too if i was running an ****-site from my parents home i think yr modi has put up a law against it and we have some of the best specialists too https://defence.pk/threads/10-pakistani-scientists-who-made-a-difference-in-the-world.376825/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pakistani_scientists and for 3rd country reference this s400 is made by a 3rd country russia so arent u being a bigot?? and our country comparatively 6 times smaller than yrs is still doing quite well
and another thing is spending smart yr military planners r into big spending syndrome with little significant outcome check yr own Indian defence news teja is unreliable after all that boosting from drdo?? iaf will buy only few under gov pressure ??? and 12 billion for 120 lca gripen jets means 100 million per jet that’s more than price of new f16 and its mca actually it’s close to that of f35 r u sure the guys who r negotiating on yr side are not taking bribes??? U can either spend billions on indigenous projects or foreign acquisitions not both if u keep wasting money on exotic toys soon u will hear similar news about fgfa

 

[Genghis khan1]

Pakistan is doomed so let our Indian friends feast on their disillusion. I dont know why there is a 10 page thread on this stupidity. Even an Idiot knows S400 is a damn expensive system which will never be deployed on a battle field but rather used as a defensive weapon. India had S300 durring Kargil war so did India start blowing PAF jets out of sky?? I really hate it when couple of Idiots manage to reel in some really intelligent members of this forum.

Every weapons system and has its employment parameters. Even if S-300 would be given free to India, it doesn't belong in the mountains of Kargil.

 

[kṣamā]

yeah i would b arrested too if i was running an ****-site from my parents home i think yr modi has put up a law against it and we have some of the best specialists too https://defence.pk/threads/10-pakistani-scientists-who-made-a-difference-in-the-world.376825/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pakistani_scientists and for 3rd country reference this s400 is made by a 3rd country russia so arent u being a bigot?? and our country comparatively 6 times smaller than yrs is still doing quite well
and another thing is spending smart yr military planners r into big spending syndrome with little significant outcome check yr own Indian defence news teja is unreliable after all that boosting from drdo?? iaf will buy only few under gov pressure ??? and 12 billion for 120 lca gripen jets means 100 million per jet that’s more than price of new f16 and its mca actually it’s close to that of f35 r u sure the guys who r negotiating on yr side are not taking bribes??? U can either spend billions on indigenous projects or foreign acquisitions not both if u keep wasting money on exotic toys soon u will hear similar news about fgfa

So atlast we see your meanigless rambling afterall. Please check the thread title, your post is nothing but complete waste of bandwidth. And a proof of your childish comebacks.

As far as third party reference was concern, it was for RnD context. We are buying S400 with cold hard cash. We ain't dependent on soft loans, aid and alms for our defence expenditure.

And lastly the age old "We are small but still exist beside India" ideology just goes on to show your inherent inferiority complex. And why do you think we would like a terrorist infested land, when we do not pay for insect infested rice ? Buddy we do not want any of your land. We are more than happy with wat we have. We just want a very good spell of economic development. You stop messing with us and we stop messing with you. Currently you are just receiving what you planned to serve us.

 

[danger007]

Pakistan is doomed so let our Indian friends feast on their disillusion. I dont know why there is a 10 page thread on this stupidity. Even an Idiot knows S400 is a damn expensive system which will never be deployed on a battle field but rather used as a defensive weapon. India had S300 durring Kargil war so did India start blowing PAF jets out of sky?? I really hate it when couple of Idiots manage to reel in some really intelligent members of this forum.

i don't know you guys attacked us with PAF jets during kargil..

 

[Blue Marlin]

one thing people forget is that the s400's instrument range is 400km its detection range is much less than that. a 5th gen bird with an rsc of 0.05 can get as close as 90km before being seen. and even if its at 100km, glide bombs (ir guided) will deal with the s400.

i don't know you guys attacked us with PAF jets during kargil..

they didn't

 

[Pandora]

i don't know you guys attacked us with PAF jets during kargil..

PAF and IAF jets locked on to each other at several occasions near the border area. Granted two IAF jet were shot down but they were brought down by Anza SAM. But yes PAF and IAF didnt engage in an open conflict.

 

[danger007]

PAF and IAF jets locked on to each other at several occasions near the border area. Granted two IAF jet were shot down but they were brought down by Anza SAM. But yes PAF and IAF didnt engage in an open conflict.

PAF barely played anyrole in Kargil.. Mig shotdown when they crossed boarders.. PAF reluctant to take any kinda missions apart CAP.. where IAF dropped bombs on PA..

 

[Pandora]

PAF barely played anyrole in Kargil.. Mig shotdown when they crossed boarders.. PAF reluctant to take any kinda missions apart CAP.. where IAF dropped bombs on PA..

Thats what i was saying. My point was that SAM are used to create no fly zones over defensive areas not battle fields. Any idiot who think S400 will will crawling on border with Indian army troops needs to get head checked out.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/uploads/2015/07/asd_08_06_2015_dossier.pdf

All except one missile of S-400 seem to be capable of targeting cruise missiles

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Thats what i was saying. My point was that SAM are used to create no fly zones over defensive areas not battle fields. Any idiot who think S400 will will crawling on border with Indian army troops needs to get head checked out.

We can safely place them 100 KM inside our Border

Even then they will be able take out AWACS from inside our territory

 

[kṣamā]

a 5th gen bird with an rsc of 0.05 can get as close as 90km before being seen. and even if its at 100km, glide bombs (ir guided) will deal with the s400.

Ya sure. A 6th gen jet can land VTOL on S400. The pilot can then disembark and pee on the missiles to disable them. A 7th gen jet could take off and S400 will be disabled. And the plan of 8th gen will make the S400 explode. Isn't PAF working on 9th gen aircraft by waiting for it "Brother" country to do all the R&D? Or still scavenging money for its "New" aef solah ? Let's keep the discussion realistic.

 

[Pandora]

We can safely place them 100 KM inside our Border

Even then they will be able take out AWACS from inside our territory

Yes Boss you are the expert. I better leave this thread before i get infected with stupidity