Russia’s military far more advanced than US's: Analyst

[jhungary]

I never claimed you did. I am simply pointing out where your ideas come from.

The can you tell me what this means?

"Jhungary, on the other hand, is repeating Maoist cliches about Communist internationalism that have no basis in reality other than contemporary political dogma intended for no larger audience than the Chinese people"

And no, My idea was not from Mao's Communist internationalism. I was merely reflecting the point where USSR was form.

Cult of personality was present in the USSR as well. Lenin had his statue everywhere. Stalin is still regarded as basically a god by many Russians.

Mao's beliefs as laid down in the Little Red Book are definitely Communist and nothing else. One of Mao's most prescient observations in the book was that the system he created, minus a putative classless unity with its people, would swiftly descend into fascism.

Just before Cult of personality exist and present of USSR that does not equal to the ideology itself worship of its individual

Saying the level of Russia worship Lenin and Stalin is actually equate to the Level of people worship Mao's showing your lack of understanding of how Chinese Communist works during 1950-1970s

These are the words of a Communist who does not understand Communism. Ideological and bureaucratic fratricide were hallmarks of Communism in both China and the USSR and reflected broader divisions in the ideology as a whole.

Saying that show you again have no to limited knowledge on how Communist works.

Within the same system, there could be persecution and purge, this would not be any fighting in it, simply the person or group in power wanted to get rid of their opposition.

Fighting between USSR and China represent the ideology clash between the two system within a single idea. Those two are very different.

You said,

"Communism is based on a common grass root level movement that can be date back to 380BC when the first communis was established in ancient Greece."

Does what I said means the two were related?

Basically all modern assault rife are based on the Stg44 design, does that mean all assault rifle being used today beside AK-47 are related to the development of Stg44?

Looks like you have a comprehension problem.

You are validating my observation that Hellenistic civilization is culturally alien to Easterners.

Athenian democracy was bourgeois, permissive and based on markets and civil law - basically a more primitive version of modern Western democracy. The modern Communist system is more similar to the Spartan system which was antithetical to the Athenian democracy.

lol. Athenian Democracy was not a socially defined class, and it does not based on markets and civil law, it is base on Society and Citizenry.

While the official was made out of Athenian Citizen at random, every Athenian Citizens make up of the assembly. The "government" works directly on behalf of the citizens for it's citizens and made up solely on the citizens.

While Market and Civil law at that time promote individualism where a single entity rights and liberty was observed, the way the Athenian government function is not base on individualism, but rather a community power, does that sound familiar?

Oh, by the way, I am not a easterner and I am quite knowledgeable on ancient political system, I cannot say the same thing about you

This is so, but the fact remains that all Communist regimes regard religious authority with deep suspicion because they see them as social alternatives. Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Communism is a religion as such.

Communism treat EVERYTHING suspicious, as I said, I am t the one saying Communism have any relevance to atheistic belief, in fact, there are no mention on religion on any Communist text. They are neither pro-atheist nor anti-atheist.

I am an American Jew of Russian descent. My ancestors were forced from Kiev in 1905 for just those reasons.

As you can claim anything on the internet, since I do not know you, nor see you, I am gonna take your word for it.

Delivery...that's the trick. Really, though, who cares?

If you don't acre, then why bother reply to the sentence? It's wasn't even for you to begin with.

 

[TMA]

This is a case of two kinds of crazy running headfirst into each other. Let me sort it out for both of you.

TMA is parroting an Islamic superstition that the Ashkenazi Jews are "the tribe of Gog and Magog", and as such are agents of supreme cosmic evil. "Gog and Magog" originated from texts written by Jews during the Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE. The original meaning is unclear but probably referred to various nations aligned with the Persian/Babylonian empires. Islam has historically regarded Judaism both as a culture and as a nation with deep jealousy and has sought to usurp Jewish religious concepts and dogmas whenever possible. Trying to claim that the Jews are the supreme antagonists of their own religious texts is par for the course.

TMA is also apparently influenced by a claim historically made by Nazis and other Western antisemites that the establishment of the USSR was part of a Jewish plot to take over the entire world. Of course, world domination is quite a ways away from trying to maintain control of a country half the size of Taiwan. But then again, these ideas come from the same Islamists who think they are capable of taking over the entire world even though they can't even conquer that same tiny country of seven million people. So I suppose you could say they're projecting their own warped sense of proportion.

TMA is also ignoring the fact that the USSR supplied the Arabs every tank, jet, gun, bullet and pair of binoculars during their wars of extermination against Israel, and that if they had not done so, the Arabs would have had to fight Israel with sticks and stones. Stalin was grossly antisemitic and persecuted and killed many Jews. The grain of truth in his claims is that many Russian Jews supported the Communist revolution because they believed in its utopian ideals, which didn't pan out.

TMA's bit about "Constantinople" refers to an old Russian national myth to the effect that Moscow is "the Third Rome" and that it is the manifest destiny of Russia to reconquer Constantinople from Islam. This myth has been considered obsolete since the demise of the Tsars and has no place in modern Russian political discourse. In reality, the reason Russia is bent on controlling the Crimea is to challenge the American petrodollar system and deny the EU alternative sources of petroleum.

Jhungary, on the other hand, is repeating Maoist cliches about Communist internationalism that have no basis in reality other than contemporary political dogma intended for no larger audience than the Chinese people, who in fact have strong reasons to be internally disunited and jaded with their corrupt and ineffectual government. In reality, China and the USSR had a big falling-out in the early sixties and came very close to fighting a major war. This is the main reason Nixon visited China and that China invaded Vietnam after the US left.

Modern Communism has no relation to anything from Hellenistic antiquity, which is a world filled with concepts utterly alien to Chinese people. Some would claim that it was Hellenistic antiquity itself that laid down the basic contrasts between Western and Eastern civilization. To this day, Easterners cannot easily understand the cultural concepts associated with the ancient Hellenistic world.

Communism is in practice effectively a religion, with an priesthood, holy books, dogmas, eschatology, even a cosmic philosophy. Anyone who has ever seen pictures of Maoists waving the Little Red Book or memorizing it like Islamic surahs, or making pilgrimages to the preserved corpse of Lenin or asking Lenin's body whether they should get married knows that Communism, like many other political ideologies, is effectively a religious cult. The fact it is officially atheistic is irrelevant - the ideology nonetheless functions according to the practice of a religion.

Lenin was half German-Jewish, half Uighur Mongol. Jhungary is correct that he, like Trotsky and Marx, did not consider himself Jewish, but that people of Jewish descent were drawn to the movement (along with a much larger number of Gentiles) and tended to rise to prominence because of the Jews' status as a persecuted minority in most countries and their traditions of literacy and education. They also tended to have measurably higher IQ.

Bottom line, none of these weird ideological ideas or Islamic superstitions have anything to do with what's going on in the Crimea. Plain and simple, what's going on there is a power play between Western interests backing the petrodollar and Russia's desire to be a great power again.

Gog and Magog are also mentioned in the Quran and the Ahadith. From the story of the "Great Traveller" we can locate where the original nations of Gog and Magog were. This seems to correspond to what secular scholarship terms the Khazar Empire (a multi-ethnic empire circa 6th to 10th C). Read The Jews of Khazaria - Khazars, Khazar, Khazari
It is interesting to note for the reader that to be a Jew once must have blood lineage (at least maternal) however when the Khazars converted to Judaism, the World of Judaism overlooked this. Why?
Today most Jews are not the Children of Israel. Indeed the Children of Israel are being taken for a wild goose chase by the Children of Gog and Magog and they know it not!

Islam has many similar concepts or even identical ones to Judaism, this is because they originate from the One True God. However the differences are where the Rabbis of Old corrupted the Word of God for their own desires. The Quran highlights this fact on numerous occasions often to the intense dislike of many Jews.

The establishment of the USSR was a plot to destroy Orthodox Christianity and the religious way of life in the former Tsarist Russia. It was led and financed by secular Jews even from Wall Street. (Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish | The Times of Israel
They persecuted Religion. It the N.S Germans claim this, then they were correct. One of the biggest threats to the Children of Israel reclaiming the Holy Land was a powerful Orthodox Christian Russia who would never tolerate such blasphemy. However a godless USSR did encourage Jews to populate Israel (which is what Israel needed).

The USSR did undergo many upheavels. One of which was persecution of those Jews who were not to Stalin's liking. This is not to say that Stalin removed all Jews from positions of power. Many Jews carried on in positions of power. But the main offical ideology was anti-Christian no matter who had power.

Moscow is the Third Rome as Constantinople was the Second Rome. It was the anti-Christian USSR which gave up this claim. Now that Russia is returning to her religious roots, you will see in time to come a change in her outlook.

Russia is already challenging the unjust post Bretton Woods Petrodollar system with BRICS and Crimea gives Russia a fighting chance in the war(s) that are coming her way.

The reason why Jews have been persecuted throughout history is not due to them being more intelligent and literate, it is because they used their skills to corrupt their host societies instead of improving them.

 

[Aestu]

Gog and Magog are also mentioned in the Quran and the Ahadith. From the story of the "Great Traveller" we can locate where the original nations of Gog and Magog were. This seems to correspond to what secular scholarship terms the Khazar Empire (a multi-ethnic empire circa 6th to 10th C). Read The Jews of Khazaria - Khazars, Khazar, Khazari
It is interesting to note for the reader that to be a Jew once must have blood lineage (at least maternal) however when the Khazars converted to Judaism, the World of Judaism overlooked this. Why?
Today most Jews are not the Children of Israel. Indeed the Children of Israel are being taken for a wild goose chase by the Children of Gog and Magog and they know it not!

Islam has many similar concepts or even identical ones to Judaism, this is because they originate from the One True God. However the differences are where the Rabbis of Old corrupted the Word of God for their own desires. The Quran highlights this fact on numerous occasions often to the intense dislike of many Jews.

The establishment of the USSR was a plot to destroy Orthodox Christianity and the religious way of life in the former Tsarist Russia. It was led and financed by secular Jews even from Wall Street. (Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish | The Times of Israel
They persecuted Religion. It the N.S Germans claim this, then they were correct. One of the biggest threats to the Children of Israel reclaiming the Holy Land was a powerful Orthodox Christian Russia who would never tolerate such blasphemy. However a godless USSR did encourage Jews to populate Israel (which is what Israel needed).

The USSR did undergo many upheavels. One of which was persecution of those Jews who were not to Stalin's liking. This is not to say that Stalin removed all Jews from positions of power. Many Jews carried on in positions of power. But the main offical ideology was anti-Christian no matter who had power.

Moscow is the Third Rome as Constantinople was the Second Rome. It was the anti-Christian USSR which gave up this claim. Now that Russia is returning to her religious roots, you will see in time to come a change in her outlook.

Russia is already challenging the unjust post Bretton Woods Petrodollar system with BRICS and Crimea gives Russia a fighting chance in the war(s) that are coming her way.

The reason why Jews have been persecuted throughout history is not due to them being more intelligent and literate, it is because they used their skills to corrupt their host societies instead of improving them.

Which is why Russia is hostile to Islamism and friendly towards Israel, why Putin hosted Chabad leaders and Netanyahu, and why the Israelis seem interested in nothing so much as having a country of their own where there would be no one else to "corrupt" or exploit. Right?

I assume you have some creative reasoning to explain why the USSR gave tons of weapons to Islam to wipe out Israel? Or why you as a Muslim should care about old Orthodox Christian superstitions that also believe it is the destiny of Russian Christians to reconquer Constantinople from Islam?

I'm really curious, tbqh.

 

[TMA]

Which is why Russia is hostile to Islamism and friendly towards Israel, why Putin hosted Chabad leaders and Netanyahu, and why the Israelis seem interested in nothing so much as having a country of their own where there would be no one else to "corrupt" or exploit. Right?

I assume you have some creative reasoning to explain why the USSR gave tons of weapons to Islam to wipe out Israel? Or why you as a Muslim should care about old Orthodox Christian superstitions that also believe it is the destiny of Russian Christians to reconquer Constantinople from Islam?

I'm really curious, tbqh.

You want to know?
Islamic Eschatology - Strategic importance!

Read Imran Hosein. Sheikh Imran Hosein - YouTube

Orthodox Christian and Islamic eschatology especially have great similarities.

By the way Constantinople is occupied by NATO. Turkey is not really Islamic. Even though the adhan calls out 5 times a day.

 

[Aestu]

You want to know?
Islamic Eschatology - Strategic importance!

Read Imran Hosein. Sheikh Imran Hosein - YouTube

Orthodox Christian and Islamic eschatology especially have great similarities.

By the way Constantine is occupied by NATO. Turkey is not really Islamic. Even though the adhan calls out 5 times a day.

Isn't claiming that non-Islamic beliefs are equivalent to the Quran inherently offensive to Islam?

Are you seriously claiming Ataturk was a tool of NATO?

 

[SQ8]

Isn't claiming that non-Islamic beliefs are equivalent to the Quran inherently offensive to Islam?

Are you seriously claiming Ataturk was a tool of NATO?

Ill mail him a tin-foil hat.

 

[Aestu]

Ill mail him a tin-foil hat.

Make sure to send it express, so he gets it last week.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Russia can be said equal to the Americans but reality is america has lost much of it's power with which it was forcing it's policies on different nations (e.g)

Russia taking over Crimea and America couldn't do anything but talk

Russia in Syria working against American planning and doing quiet well whereas America only talking

America after 2010 I think has lost it's credibility and lost it's iron writ by which it threatened everyone and forcing them to follow it's policies and new powers have risen like China and Russia(coming back to it's former glory)

The USA has powerful allies scattered all over the world. Smart folks from all over the world are working 24/7 for her. Her companies are famous for "out of the box " ideas due to an open culture. Compare that to Russian stubbornness and Asian submissiveness. Even when an elephant sits down it's taller than a horse. Off course the USA made lots of mistakes and blunders during "sole superpower" era. Now that competition has arrived, hopefully, she will be at her better posture again.

 

[pkd]

This is presstv. So it must be true.

Calm down its just an Anal-yst.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Isn't claiming that non-Islamic beliefs are equivalent to the Quran inherently offensive to Islam?

Are you seriously claiming Ataturk was a tool of NATO?

Kemal Pasha was a British agent who was assigned the job to destroy Khilafet and the Ottoman Empire. Moreover, he tried his best to take away Turkish peoples' religion, language, history, culture above all the motivation to achieve greatness. He achieved it partially. In the words of Lord Curzon," Turks are kept free externally, but internally measures are taken to ensure that they can never achieve their former greatness". Since the end of WW2, we're getting slowly back to our senses. As Muslims we know that the LORD gives and takes away power/wealth among the civilizations/countries in a sinusoidal fashion. A cursory look at history suffices this.

 

[TMA]

Isn't claiming that non-Islamic beliefs are equivalent to the Quran inherently offensive to Islam?

Are you seriously claiming Ataturk was a tool of NATO?

There are Christian beliefs and even Jewish beliefs that are the same/similar to Islamic ones without being offensive to Islam. You did not know?

Attaturk was an agent of the Gog and Magog World Order (of course NATO did not exist at that time however NATO today is a creation of that Godless world order).

Please bring critiques to the table, instead of supporting indirect ad hominems.

Ill mail him a tin-foil hat.

Please bring critiques to the table instead of engaing in indirect ad hominems.

 

[Aestu]

Kemal Pasha was a British agent who was assigned the job to destroy Khilafet and the Ottoman Empire. Moreover, he tried his best to take away Turkish peoples' religion, language, history, culture above all the motivation to achieve greatness. He achieved it partially. In the words of Lord Curzon," Turks are kept free externally, but internally measures are taken to ensure that they can never achieve their former greatness". Since the end of WW2, we're getting slowly back to our senses. As Muslims we know that the LORD gives and takes away power/wealth among the civilizations/countries in a sinusoidal fashion. A cursory look at history suffices this.

So to recap, your claim is that Turkey is not as well off as the Arab world, and that is so because they are "occupied" by NATO, following a plot hatched while Europe was still strung with barbed wire...all of which they elected Erdogan rather than having a US puppet regime installed?

Am I getting all this right or am I off-base in my understanding of your claims?

There are Christian beliefs and even Jewish beliefs that are the same/similar to Islamic ones without being offensive to Islam. You did not know?

There are Christian beliefs based on Jewish beliefs, and Islamic beliefs based on Jewish and Christian beliefs. There is a far lesser degree of Christian and Islamic influence in Judaism and a still lesser degree of Islamic influence in Christianity. This is so because of the chronology of the respective religions, and also because Christianity and Judaism are legitimate religions in a way Islam is not - they derive their existence and legitimacy from traditions freely accepted by their peoples, as opposed to the cult of a single man who established its observance entirely through violence.

Religion is a universal human force, so all religious beliefs in general share the same recurring characteristics. However, claiming that the specific beliefs of another religion are inherently valid within your own, and against the rights of a third religion, is heretical to basically all non-pagan religions. Islam tends more easily usurp the ideology of other religions because of its pagan roots. One of the basic characteristics of paganism is the belief that superstitions, prophecies and mystical powers (what the Native Americans called "medicine" and the Africans call "juju") are universalist, but individual and human rights are not. This is also why most monuments associated with Islam were originally constructed by other religions.

Long story short, your superstitions are just that, superstitions.

Attaturk was an agent of the Gog and Magog World Order (of course NATO did not exist at that time however NATO today is a creation of that Godless world order).

Please bring critiques to the table, instead of supporting indirect ad hominems.

Um. Okay.

 

[TMA]

So to recap, your claim is that Turkey is not as well off as the Arab world, and that is so because they are "occupied" by NATO, following a plot hatched while Europe was still strung with barbed wire...all of which they elected Erdogan rather than having a US puppet regime installed?

Am I getting all this right or am I off-base in my understanding of your claims?



There are Christian beliefs based on Jewish beliefs, and Islamic beliefs based on Jewish and Christian beliefs. There is a far lesser degree of Christian and Islamic influence in Judaism and a still lesser degree of Islamic influence in Christianity. This is so because of the chronology of the respective religions, and also because Christianity and Judaism are legitimate religions in a way Islam is not - they derive their existence and legitimacy from traditions freely accepted by their peoples, as opposed to the cult of a single man who established its observance entirely through violence.

Religion is a universal human force, so all religious beliefs in general share the same recurring characteristics. However, claiming that the specific beliefs of another religion are inherently valid within your own, and against the rights of a third religion, is heretical to basically all non-pagan religions. Islam tends more easily usurp the ideology of other religions because of its pagan roots. One of the basic characteristics of paganism is the belief that superstitions, prophecies and mystical powers (what the Native Americans called "medicine" and the Africans call "juju") are universalist, but individual and human rights are not. This is also why most monuments associated with Islam were originally constructed by other religions.

Long story short, your superstitions are just that, superstitions.



Um. Okay.[Hosein. Please listen and read Sheikh Imran Hose in.

So to recap, your claim is that Turkey is not as well off as the Arab world, and that is so because they are "occupied" by NATO, following a plot hatched while Europe was still strung with barbed wire...all of which they elected Erdogan rather than having a US puppet regime installed?

Am I getting all this right or am I off-base in my understanding of your claims?



There are Christian beliefs based on Jewish beliefs, and Islamic beliefs based on Jewish and Christian beliefs. There is a far lesser degree of Christian and Islamic influence in Judaism and a still lesser degree of Islamic influence in Christianity. This is so because of the chronology of the respective religions, and also because Christianity and Judaism are legitimate religions in a way Islam is not - they derive their existence and legitimacy from traditions freely accepted by their peoples, as opposed to the cult of a single man who established its observance entirely through violence.

Religion is a universal human force, so all religious beliefs in general share the same recurring characteristics. However, claiming that the specific beliefs of another religion are inherently valid within your own, and against the rights of a third religion, is heretical to basically all non-pagan religions. Islam tends more easily usurp the ideology of other religions because of its pagan roots. One of the basic characteristics of paganism is the belief that superstitions, prophecies and mystical powers (what the Native Americans called "medicine" and the Africans call "juju") are universalist, but individual and human rights are not. This is also why most monuments associated with Islam were originally constructed by other religions.

Long story short, your superstitions are just that, superstitions.



Um. Okay.

Please listen to and read sheikh Imran Hosein. You will then begin to understand Islamic eschatology without thinking that Islam is a pagan origin religion.

Both Christians and Muslims believe that the Son of the Virgin Mary (علی السلام )is the true Messiah and he will come back. However this is not usurpation.
Of course we believe different things about him.

 

[Aestu]

Please listen to and read sheikh Imran Hosein. You will then begin to understand Islamic eschatology without thinking that Islam is a pagan origin religion. Both Christians and Muslims believe that the Son of the Virgin Mary (علی السلام )is the true Messiah and he will come back. However this is not usurpation. Of course we believe different things about him.

Absolutely is. Usurping the shrines and religious deities of other cultures is a classically pagan behavior. Muslims believe those things because Muhammed heard them during his travels as a merchant and repackaged these ideas into his own cult. It isn't as though Arabs have some kind of historical or cultural connection to the events in Judaea (which is what it was called at the time, a fact Muslims reject) 2000 years ago or were persuaded of the truth of it by those who did, in the way European Christians were convinced of Christianity by Greek and other missionaries.

Islamic eschatology is a weird mix of the Book of Revelations, old Bedouin superstitions, and Arab bigotry invented by Muhammed and reflects both his usurpation of Christian ideas and pathological hatred of Jews, evidently due to jealousy (the recurrent obsession with Jews making money and spreading non-Islamic ideas). The very fact that Islam forbids usury but not looting and pillaging speaks volumes about the merchant Muhammed's motivations for hating Jews.

The gist of it is that your guy, and the Christian guy, will come back and fight the bad guys and kill all those people you don't like (mainly Jews but also everyone else who doesn't bow to your cult), and then the whole wide world will submit to Islam, and everyone who does will live in paradise no matter what evils they committed in the pursuit of Islamic rule, and everyone who doesn't submit to Islam will be tortured for all eternity. How enlightened.

Let me ask you a question - do you know anything about Jewish eschatology? Genuinely curious.