Russian Weapons fail - Tunguska, shilka, S-300, Granit, armata, buk etc..

[yugocrosrb95]

They got everything from Germany and brag about Altay is Turkish made. Look how Turkish w/o a long range SAM after Russian, European ,China and US refuse full ToT. The turkish are vulnerable after the Patriot withdraw.

Turkey has 200 F16's... Imagine all of them with AA rockets and aren't Spains Patriots in Turkey... lol

Latest Patriot upgrade includes AESA radar, USA might send those to Turkey.

 

[ptldM3]

armata prototype was produced under western Embargo. Means the prototypes already missed the german machined parts and used junk russian parts from IVAN´s garage. HAHA! That is why they broke down. Be happy, you will receive 2000 of that Piece of crap, but unfortunatly not, because your economy is BROKE! LOL!





bad Karma-ta tank with machined parts from IVAN´s Garage!

TURKISH ALTAY TANK with HIGH QUALITY GERMAN ENGINE PARTS!!! MTU 890 Powerpack

The Armata has been in development for at least 5 years tork so your embargo comment just demonstrated how big of a fool you are. Also like I mentioned earlier the T-14 breaks accidentally locked up due to driver error but torks don't care about facts.


The T-129 is also basically Italian and the prototype crashed. Just like your F-4, no that was actually shot down by a Russian SAM


Also no need to brag about the MTU or any German engine since I have owned 4 German cars and the engines are generally unreliable. The T-14 engine can produce about 2200 hp unrestricted, your MTUs 1500hp is not impressing anyone. Nor is the Altay's transmission. The T-14 transmission is able to achieve the same speed in reverse as it can in forward 'drive'. Something that gives the T-14 a big edge in mobility and survivability.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

In R&D western countries are always better. Thanks to mighty Allah my Country did Chose the right side in cold war and did not end up like a communistic chithole like the eastern european soviet satelite states and russia.

Always?

Russians made a minigun that isn't eletric, gas operated and considerably higher RPM than eletric miniguns...

S400 is superior to Patriots even with AESA, Patriots need a very fast CPU to compete...

Ukraine has Nozh ERA which works against tandem warheads.

Russia has a aircraft that can do "Cobra" move... A russian plane infront of you, pulls a Cobra and now you're infront of Russian plane and boom you're gone.

Don't act like Germans, don't underestimate Russians, let alone all Slavs.

The Armata has been in development for at least 5 years tork so your embargo comment just demonstrated how big of a fool you are. Also like I mentioned earlier the T-14 breaks accidentally locked up due to driver error but torks don't care about facts.


The T-129 is also basically Italian and the prototype crashed. Just like your F-4, no that was actually shot down by a Russian SAM


Also no need to brag about the MTU or any German engine since I have owned 4 German cars and the engines are generally unreliable. The T-14 engine can produce about 2200 hp unrestricted, your MTUs 1500hp is not impressing anyone. Nor is the Altay's transmission. The T-14 transmission is able to achieve the same speed in reverse as it can in forward 'drive'. Something that gives the T-14 a big edge in mobility and survivability.

I would't be surprised if T 14 was based on Ukranian concept during Soviet Union, same principle.

 

[CekilinBenDoktorum]

The Armata has been in development for at least 5 years tork so your embargo comment just demonstrated how big of a fool you are. Also like I mentioned earlier the T-14 breaks accidentally locked up due to driver error but torks don't care about facts.


The T-129 is also basically Italian and the prototype crashed. Just like your F-4, no that was actually shot down by a Russian SAM


Also no need to brag about the MTU or any German engine since I have owned 4 German cars and the engines are generally unreliable. The T-14 engine can produce about 2200 hp unrestricted, your MTUs 1500hp is not impressing anyone. Nor is the Altay's transmission. The T-14 transmission is able to achieve the same speed in reverse as it can in forward 'drive'. Something that gives the T-14 a big edge in mobility and survivability.

Designing on PC/CAD is different than actualy order the machined parts to Montage them. So your Argument is irrelevant.

face it. who has Access to german machined parts has automaticaly much higher Quality Standard and Zero Problems. Unfortunatly you IVANs have no Access to german machined parts any longer.

You even compare mass market car engines to Special build MTU tank engines. just a big LOL! for your naivity!

Always?
Russians made a minigun that isn't eletric, gas operated and considerably higher RPM than eletric miniguns...
S400 is superior to Patriots even with AESA, Patriots need a very fast CPU to compete...
Ukraine has Nozh ERA which works against tandem warheads.
Russia has a aircraft that can do "Cobra" move... A russian plane infront of you, pulls a Cobra and now you're infront of Russian plane and boom you're gone.
Don't act like Germans, don't underestimate Russians, let alone all Slavs.
I would't be surprised if T 14 was based on Ukranian concept during Soviet Union, same principle.

I am not underestimating anyone. I just say the Facts.

S-400 is superior to what exactly? There is a 50% risk that they will fail and Crash land on the launching pod. How are they better than PATRIOTS who do work with 100 firing/ignition rate and 75% hitting success.

Our ALTAY tanks will have ACTIVE PROTECTION AND HARD KILL. who cares outdated Ukranian ERA???

What is that cobra move good for against F-35 (Turkey is JSF Partner and ordered already 2 Units which will be delivered in 2018!) F-35 has absolute superior BVR capabilities and situational awareness. Not a junk russian weapon with poorly designed and machined parts.

Minigun with electrical Motor can easily be adjusted in firing rate.

 

[ptldM3]

Designing on PC/CAD is different than actualy order the machined parts to Montage them. So your Argument is irrelevant.

The T-14 engine was produced years before the Russian sanctions (which by the way only targeted certain companies). Furthermore, you have no proof that the engine in the T-14 has any German parts or that it was produced with German parts or machines. You claiming that the T-14 "broke down" because of "embargoes" is literally so stupid that everyone is a little dumber for having read your comment.

face it. who has Access to german machined parts has automaticaly much higher Quality Standard and Zero Problems. Unfortunatly you IVANs have no Access to german machined parts any longer.

First of all even if the T-14 was made with German machinery (which you can not prove) the sanctions do not magically make all of the German machining tools in Russia disappear. Machining tools are not even under sanctions.

I am not underestimating anyone. I just say the Facts.

S-400 is superior to what exactly? There is a 50% risk that they will fail and Crash land on the launching pod. How are they better than PATRIOTS who do work with 100 firing/ignition rate and 75% hitting success.

Where do you get your bogus figures from? You seem to like to make up fake figures out of thin air. Let's see some official figures to back your claim otherwise we can all assume you are a liar but that we already know from previous post

 

[CekilinBenDoktorum]

No further comment. There is no russian machining industry. rich russian oligarchs don´t want to join that complicated market which has a high rate of contract fee if you do not 100% Quality work. And THAT is impossible with russian workers who like to drink vodka in the morning as breakfast, before going to work.

bad Karma-ta tank was poorly designed from russian engineers who made it way too complicated for their own russian Drivers. and when EU Embargos got active than your tank makers had to order low Quality chinese machined parts. Chinese don´t care about Quality, they even don´t know what Quality Standards are good for. They are evil satanic communists who see humans as workslaves.

AND last but not least! You must be mentaly retarded to Claim that machined parts for your DEFENCE INDUSTRY are not under sanctions...LOL!

LOL!

 

[thesolar65]

If Russian things are junk, then why do West uses Russian Rockets to go to ISS? Failures are a way of creating new and improvement over the old ones. No big deal!! No body is perfect. One must ask OP if every time it is perfect with his wife/GF?

@ptldM3

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The T-14 transmission is able to achieve the same speed in reverse as it can in forward 'drive'. Something that gives the T-14 a big edge in mobility and survivability.

That is good for a retreating army.
Is there any more advantage?

Russia has a aircraft that can do "Cobra" move... A russian plane infront of you, pulls a Cobra and now you're infront of Russian plane and boom you're gone.

Or gets shot down, because it lost all its energy and is now a sitting duck.
Anyone can document a kill in real combat which has been preceeded by a "Cobra" ?

 

[CekilinBenDoktorum]

Or gets shot down, because it lost all its energy and is now a sitting duck.
Anyone can document a kill in real combat which has been preceeded by a "Cobra" ?

Russian Airforce still works with Vietnam era doctrines. Not because they don´t know the importance of netcentric warfare, but because their material is soviet era obsolete junk. and their new designs are also not very promising. Seems like misconstructions!

Look this Piece of chit. burned down while sitting on the ground! Like a sitting duck! LOL

right Engine screaming "Shut me up please!!! I die!!!!"

buahaha

 

[ptldM3]

That is good for a retreating army.
Is there any more advantage?

Amiture statement. At times a tank may need to move quickly in reverse if it comes under ambush or it is about to be ambushed. It has nothing to do with retreating but rather increasing survivability.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Amiture statement. At times a tank may need to move quickly in reverse if it comes under ambush or it is about to be ambushed. It has nothing to do with retreating but rather increasing survivability.

You mean that sometimes a tank has to retreat if it comes under ambush or is about to be ambushed.

 

[ptldM3]

Russian Airforce still works with Vietnam era doctrines. Not because they don´t know the importance of netcentric warfare, but because their material is soviet era obsolete junk. and their new designs are also not very promising. Seems like misconstructions!

Look this Piece of chit. burned down while sitting on the ground! Like a sitting duck! LOL

right Engine screaming "Shut me up please!!! I die!!!!"

You do know that the F-35 caught fire as well and the YF-22 crashed? Of course all prototypes have issues that need to be fixed of course kids like you can't wrap your head around that. And if I were you I would sit back and be quite Turkey does not have the ability to built anything close to the park-fa not now, not in the foreseeable future.

No further comment. There is no russian machining industry.

This is another stupid claim.

rich russian oligarchs don´t want to join that complicated market which has a high rate of contract fee if you do not 100% Quality work. And THAT is impossible with russian workers who like to drink vodka in the morning as breakfast, before going to work.

Surprise a Turk making racial and stereotypical insults. Seems like many Turks on this forum are jealous and racist.

bad Karma-ta tank was poorly designed from russian engineers who made it way too complicated for their own russian Drivers.

This is a typical mindset of a jealous person that is desperately trying to attack the T-14 on anything. Typically when something is complicated it is better engineered. The T-14 is fully digital and computerized, I will take that over other tanks with old fashion parascopes.

and when EU Embargos got active than your tank makers had to order low Quality chinese machined parts. Chinese don´t care about Quality, they even don´t know what Quality Standards are good for. They are evil satanic communists who see humans as enslaved.

When did the T-14 use Chinese parts? Provide proof or shut up. In fact you have yet to even provide proof that it used anything German. i find it amusing that Turkey uses some Russian military hardware such as Kornets not to mention Turkey ordered Chines air defense systems but you claim Russian and Chinese products are junk.

AND last but not least! You must be mentaly retarded to Claim that machined parts for your DEFENCE INDUSTRY are not under sanctions...LOL!

LOL!

No you must be "retarded". first off stop avoiding me, answer my question. What machined foreign parts does the T-14 use? Even if the T-14 uses German machining tools, sanctions mean nothing because those tools are the property of the state, so those sanctions are worthless. Also sanctions are worthless, if Russian arms manufacturers were barred from importing matching tools then they can use a second or third party to import those tools for them.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Russian needs to bring in its old Air to Surface and Surface to Surface missiles here in Middle East then we will clearly witness a great change.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Now now, Turkish weapons never fail.

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To be fair that helicopter is pretty much Italian

I guess Russian weapons did not fail when they blew a Turkish F-4 out of the sky.

This is the first time I see white blood of the Turkish helo shed what a funny helicopter with white blood.

joke aside what is that white think next to the heli.

higher Quality Standard and Zero Problems

Actually JAPAN got that title and fame no European country can match JAPAN in that regard but seriously Russian products not bad at all.

 

[CekilinBenDoktorum]

@ptldM3

There is no Need for Turkey to develop expensive chit like PAK-FAIL. Russia can´t afford them anyway. LOL!

We are Partner in JSF consortium and can easily purchase best multirole-fighter craft in the world. We already ordered 2 of them for Initial Pilot Training. Turkey will receive them in 2018.

beside that....we also have some feasibility studies running for turkish 5th. Generation Air superiority plane called TFX Project...

ENJOY!!!